(02-27-2013 04:17 PM)tigerfansincebirth89 Wrote:  

(02-27-2013 03:54 PM)ksigtigerdood Wrote:  UT and Minnesota helped A LOT last night. Our loss wasn't horrible when it comes to RPI purposes. The RPI penalizes very little for a road loss.

RPI does not take into account home and road losses/wins.

Sure it does. Probably way more than it should too.

(02-27-2013 04:20 PM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  

(02-27-2013 04:17 PM)tigerfansincebirth89 Wrote:  

(02-27-2013 03:54 PM)ksigtigerdood Wrote:  UT and Minnesota helped A LOT last night. Our loss wasn't horrible when it comes to RPI purposes. The RPI penalizes very little for a road loss.

RPI does not take into account home and road losses/wins.

.....

As in a home loss doesn't affect you more than a road loss. Should have said "home vs. road losses/wins"

Quote:Sure it does. Probably way more than it should too.

I assume this is another case of misinterpreting my post.

Irrelevant, we won't make the Tourney or the NIT.

(02-27-2013 04:30 PM)ksigtigerdood Wrote:  

(02-27-2013 04:17 PM)tigerfansincebirth89 Wrote:  

(02-27-2013 03:54 PM)ksigtigerdood Wrote:  UT and Minnesota helped A LOT last night. Our loss wasn't horrible when it comes to RPI purposes. The RPI penalizes very little for a road loss.

RPI does not take into account home and road losses/wins.

Guess I was thinking of Pomeroy.

Probably thinking of ESPN's BPI.

(02-27-2013 04:33 PM)tigerfansincebirth89 Wrote:  

(02-27-2013 04:20 PM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  

(02-27-2013 04:17 PM)tigerfansincebirth89 Wrote:  

(02-27-2013 03:54 PM)ksigtigerdood Wrote:  UT and Minnesota helped A LOT last night. Our loss wasn't horrible when it comes to RPI purposes. The RPI penalizes very little for a road loss.

RPI does not take into account home and road losses/wins.

.....

As in a home loss doesn't affect you more than a road loss. Should have said "home vs. road losses/wins"

Quote:Sure it does. Probably way more than it should too.

I assume this is another case of misinterpreting my post.

I'm not sure what you're saying. Home losses are more detrimental to your RPI than road losses. For example, beating a team on the road is better for your RPI than beating that same team at home.

Neutral wins count as one win, home wins count as 0.6 and road wins count as 1.4 if I remember correctly.

If we win out the Committee may very well screw us. Someone did up the thread from last year. It was my favorite ever. "The Committee just told Memphis to..."

Really, if you think they're gonna reward us a 5 or 6, you're probably drunk.

(02-27-2013 04:19 PM)memphis mania Wrote:  

(02-27-2013 04:15 PM)JMSTiger Wrote:  Individual RPI for a team does not mean nearly as much as quality wins for that team. I fully expect that the Tigers will receive 2 full seed lines worse of a seed than we expect going into Selection Sunday. If we are all expecting an 8, it will probably be a 10.

You have to admit, if these projections are accurate, and we had an 11 or 12 RPI on Selection Sunday it would still be a shocker even to Memphis fans to receive anything worse than a 7 or 8. I mean c'mon. I have never seen a seeding that would be more off than that.

Last year, we had a #16 RPI with a #20 RPI SOS, five top 50 wins and 12 top 100 wins and only received an 8 seed. I don't feel confident about the resume of the 2012-13 Tigers no matter how good their RPI is. We have too few quality wins and now a borderline bad loss. Maybe if UTK keeps winning, they will help us out.

(02-27-2013 04:54 PM)JMSTiger Wrote:  

(02-27-2013 04:19 PM)memphis mania Wrote:  

(02-27-2013 04:15 PM)JMSTiger Wrote:  Individual RPI for a team does not mean nearly as much as quality wins for that team. I fully expect that the Tigers will receive 2 full seed lines worse of a seed than we expect going into Selection Sunday. If we are all expecting an 8, it will probably be a 10.

You have to admit, if these projections are accurate, and we had an 11 or 12 RPI on Selection Sunday it would still be a shocker even to Memphis fans to receive anything worse than a 7 or 8. I mean c'mon. I have never seen a seeding that would be more off than that.

Last year, we had a #16 RPI with a #20 RPI SOS, five top 50 wins and 12 top 100 wins and only received an 8 seed. I don't feel confident about the resume of the 2012-13 Tigers no matter how good their RPI is. We have too few quality wins and now a borderline bad loss. Maybe if UTK keeps winning, they will help us out.

THIS ^^^
People forget we had top 20 RPI and SOS rankings last year on SS. We got an 8. CUSA is worse this year, too.

(02-27-2013 04:54 PM)fishman6581 Wrote:  

(02-27-2013 04:54 PM)JMSTiger Wrote:  

(02-27-2013 04:19 PM)memphis mania Wrote:  

(02-27-2013 04:15 PM)JMSTiger Wrote:  Individual RPI for a team does not mean nearly as much as quality wins for that team. I fully expect that the Tigers will receive 2 full seed lines worse of a seed than we expect going into Selection Sunday. If we are all expecting an 8, it will probably be a 10.

You have to admit, if these projections are accurate, and we had an 11 or 12 RPI on Selection Sunday it would still be a shocker even to Memphis fans to receive anything worse than a 7 or 8. I mean c'mon. I have never seen a seeding that would be more off than that.

Last year, we had a #16 RPI with a #20 RPI SOS, five top 50 wins and 12 top 100 wins and only received an 8 seed. I don't feel confident about the resume of the 2012-13 Tigers no matter how good their RPI is. We have too few quality wins and now a borderline bad loss. Maybe if UTK keeps winning, they will help us out.

THIS ^^^
People forget we had top 20 RPI and SOS rankings last year on SS. We got an 8. CUSA is worse this year, too.

You guys may be right, but if we were 11th or 12thin the RPI on Selection Sunday and received an 8 seed, it would have to be the biggest gap between RPI and seeding ever. Usually no matter who you beat or lost to, teams are usually 2 - 3 spots within their RPI at the most. This would mean we would be 5 spots away from what our RPI says. Would have to be a damn record or at least tie one. Guess it shows the mood around here these days. Gloom and doom. I still think a 6 or 7 is likely if we win out. I think some of you will come around in a few days.

(02-27-2013 04:54 PM)JMSTiger Wrote:  

(02-27-2013 04:19 PM)memphis mania Wrote:  

(02-27-2013 04:15 PM)JMSTiger Wrote:  Individual RPI for a team does not mean nearly as much as quality wins for that team. I fully expect that the Tigers will receive 2 full seed lines worse of a seed than we expect going into Selection Sunday. If we are all expecting an 8, it will probably be a 10.

You have to admit, if these projections are accurate, and we had an 11 or 12 RPI on Selection Sunday it would still be a shocker even to Memphis fans to receive anything worse than a 7 or 8. I mean c'mon. I have never seen a seeding that would be more off than that.

Last year, we had a #16 RPI with a #20 RPI SOS, five top 50 wins and 12 top 100 wins and only received an 8 seed. I don't feel confident about the resume of the 2012-13 Tigers no matter how good their RPI is. We have too few quality wins and now a borderline bad loss. Maybe if UTK keeps winning, they will help us out.

Last year we had the 20th RPI, and were 2-7 vs. the RPI top 50.

(02-27-2013 05:02 PM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  

(02-27-2013 04:54 PM)JMSTiger Wrote:  

(02-27-2013 04:19 PM)memphis mania Wrote:  

(02-27-2013 04:15 PM)JMSTiger Wrote:  Individual RPI for a team does not mean nearly as much as quality wins for that team. I fully expect that the Tigers will receive 2 full seed lines worse of a seed than we expect going into Selection Sunday. If we are all expecting an 8, it will probably be a 10.

You have to admit, if these projections are accurate, and we had an 11 or 12 RPI on Selection Sunday it would still be a shocker even to Memphis fans to receive anything worse than a 7 or 8. I mean c'mon. I have never seen a seeding that would be more off than that.

Last year, we had a #16 RPI with a #20 RPI SOS, five top 50 wins and 12 top 100 wins and only received an 8 seed. I don't feel confident about the resume of the 2012-13 Tigers no matter how good their RPI is. We have too few quality wins and now a borderline bad loss. Maybe if UTK keeps winning, they will help us out.

Last year we had the 20th RPI, and were 2-7 vs. the RPI top 50.

16th in the RPI last year.

(02-27-2013 05:02 PM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  

(02-27-2013 04:54 PM)JMSTiger Wrote:  

(02-27-2013 04:19 PM)memphis mania Wrote:  

(02-27-2013 04:15 PM)JMSTiger Wrote:  Individual RPI for a team does not mean nearly as much as quality wins for that team. I fully expect that the Tigers will receive 2 full seed lines worse of a seed than we expect going into Selection Sunday. If we are all expecting an 8, it will probably be a 10.

You have to admit, if these projections are accurate, and we had an 11 or 12 RPI on Selection Sunday it would still be a shocker even to Memphis fans to receive anything worse than a 7 or 8. I mean c'mon. I have never seen a seeding that would be more off than that.

Last year, we had a #16 RPI with a #20 RPI SOS, five top 50 wins and 12 top 100 wins and only received an 8 seed. I don't feel confident about the resume of the 2012-13 Tigers no matter how good their RPI is. We have too few quality wins and now a borderline bad loss. Maybe if UTK keeps winning, they will help us out.

Last year we had the 20th RPI, and were 2-7 vs. the RPI top 50.

That's not accurate. Last season going into Selection Sunday, Memphis was #16 in the RPI with a RPI SOS of #20. Memphis was 1-6 vs. RPI #1-#25, 4-0 vs. RPI #26-#50 and 7-1 vs. RPI #51 to #100. That makes for 1 top 25 win, 5 top 50 wins and 12 top 100 wins.

You may be looking at a RPI that continued on throughout the postseason games, but the RPI that matters in the end is the final RPI on Selection Sunday. My figures from above come from that. An RPI after that doesn't mean anything because Selection Sunday has come and gone.

(02-27-2013 05:07 PM)JMSTiger Wrote:  That's not accurate. Last season going into Selection Sunday, Memphis was #16 in the RPI with a RPI SOS of #20. Memphis was 1-6 vs. RPI #1-#25, 4-0 vs. RPI #26-#50 and 7-1 vs. RPI #51 to #100. That makes for 1 top 25 win, 5 top 50 wins and 12 top 100 wins.

I didn't remember our resume looked like that. We did get robbed with the 8 seed!

(02-27-2013 05:07 PM)JMSTiger Wrote:  

(02-27-2013 05:02 PM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  

(02-27-2013 04:54 PM)JMSTiger Wrote:  

(02-27-2013 04:19 PM)memphis mania Wrote:  

(02-27-2013 04:15 PM)JMSTiger Wrote:  Individual RPI for a team does not mean nearly as much as quality wins for that team. I fully expect that the Tigers will receive 2 full seed lines worse of a seed than we expect going into Selection Sunday. If we are all expecting an 8, it will probably be a 10.

You have to admit, if these projections are accurate, and we had an 11 or 12 RPI on Selection Sunday it would still be a shocker even to Memphis fans to receive anything worse than a 7 or 8. I mean c'mon. I have never seen a seeding that would be more off than that.

Last year, we had a #16 RPI with a #20 RPI SOS, five top 50 wins and 12 top 100 wins and only received an 8 seed. I don't feel confident about the resume of the 2012-13 Tigers no matter how good their RPI is. We have too few quality wins and now a borderline bad loss. Maybe if UTK keeps winning, they will help us out.

Last year we had the 20th RPI, and were 2-7 vs. the RPI top 50.

That's not accurate. Last season going into Selection Sunday, Memphis was #16 in the RPI with a RPI SOS of #20. Memphis was 1-6 vs. RPI #1-#25, 4-0 vs. RPI #26-#50 and 7-1 vs. RPI #51 to #100. That makes for 1 top 25 win, 5 top 50 wins and 12 top 100 wins.

You may be looking at a RPI that continued on throughout the postseason games, but the RPI that matters in the end is the final RPI on Selection Sunday. My figures from above come from that. An RPI after that doesn't mean anything because Selection Sunday has come and gone.

There's the Nitty Gritty report.

http://warrennolan.com/basketball/2012/nitty

(02-27-2013 05:10 PM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  

(02-27-2013 05:07 PM)JMSTiger Wrote:  

(02-27-2013 05:02 PM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  

(02-27-2013 04:54 PM)JMSTiger Wrote:  

(02-27-2013 04:19 PM)memphis mania Wrote:  You have to admit, if these projections are accurate, and we had an 11 or 12 RPI on Selection Sunday it would still be a shocker even to Memphis fans to receive anything worse than a 7 or 8. I mean c'mon. I have never seen a seeding that would be more off than that.

Last year, we had a #16 RPI with a #20 RPI SOS, five top 50 wins and 12 top 100 wins and only received an 8 seed. I don't feel confident about the resume of the 2012-13 Tigers no matter how good their RPI is. We have too few quality wins and now a borderline bad loss. Maybe if UTK keeps winning, they will help us out.

Last year we had the 20th RPI, and were 2-7 vs. the RPI top 50.

That's not accurate. Last season going into Selection Sunday, Memphis was #16 in the RPI with a RPI SOS of #20. Memphis was 1-6 vs. RPI #1-#25, 4-0 vs. RPI #26-#50 and 7-1 vs. RPI #51 to #100. That makes for 1 top 25 win, 5 top 50 wins and 12 top 100 wins.

You may be looking at a RPI that continued on throughout the postseason games, but the RPI that matters in the end is the final RPI on Selection Sunday. My figures from above come from that. An RPI after that doesn't mean anything because Selection Sunday has come and gone.

There's the Nitty Gritty report.

http://warrennolan.com/basketball/2012/nitty

WarrenNolan.com's RPI continues on throughout the NCAA tournament, NIT, CBI, etc. I am talking about what our RPI looked like on Selection Sunday 2012. RPI after Selection Sunday doesn't mean anything.

Jerry Palm's RPI has always been the most accurate and they go final on Selection Sunday: http://www.collegerpi.com/subs/index.html

(02-27-2013 05:09 PM)TigerLover Wrote:  

(02-27-2013 05:07 PM)JMSTiger Wrote:  That's not accurate. Last season going into Selection Sunday, Memphis was #16 in the RPI with a RPI SOS of #20. Memphis was 1-6 vs. RPI #1-#25, 4-0 vs. RPI #26-#50 and 7-1 vs. RPI #51 to #100. That makes for 1 top 25 win, 5 top 50 wins and 12 top 100 wins.

I didn't remember our resume looked like that. We did get robbed with the 8 seed!

Big time. Lunardi had us projected as a 6 seed. Even Palm had us as a 7.

(02-27-2013 05:11 PM)JMSTiger Wrote:  

(02-27-2013 05:10 PM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  

(02-27-2013 05:07 PM)JMSTiger Wrote:  

(02-27-2013 05:02 PM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  

(02-27-2013 04:54 PM)JMSTiger Wrote:  Last year, we had a #16 RPI with a #20 RPI SOS, five top 50 wins and 12 top 100 wins and only received an 8 seed. I don't feel confident about the resume of the 2012-13 Tigers no matter how good their RPI is. We have too few quality wins and now a borderline bad loss. Maybe if UTK keeps winning, they will help us out.

Last year we had the 20th RPI, and were 2-7 vs. the RPI top 50.

That's not accurate. Last season going into Selection Sunday, Memphis was #16 in the RPI with a RPI SOS of #20. Memphis was 1-6 vs. RPI #1-#25, 4-0 vs. RPI #26-#50 and 7-1 vs. RPI #51 to #100. That makes for 1 top 25 win, 5 top 50 wins and 12 top 100 wins.

You may be looking at a RPI that continued on throughout the postseason games, but the RPI that matters in the end is the final RPI on Selection Sunday. My figures from above come from that. An RPI after that doesn't mean anything because Selection Sunday has come and gone.

There's the Nitty Gritty report.

http://warrennolan.com/basketball/2012/nitty

WarrenNolan.com's RPI continues on throughout the NCAA tournament, NIT, CBI, etc. I am talking about what our RPI looked like on Selection Sunday 2012. RPI after Selection Sunday doesn't mean anything.

Ah that could be it. Where did you get your numbers from selection sunday?

(02-27-2013 05:12 PM)JMSTiger Wrote:  

(02-27-2013 05:09 PM)TigerLover Wrote:  

(02-27-2013 05:07 PM)JMSTiger Wrote:  That's not accurate. Last season going into Selection Sunday, Memphis was #16 in the RPI with a RPI SOS of #20. Memphis was 1-6 vs. RPI #1-#25, 4-0 vs. RPI #26-#50 and 7-1 vs. RPI #51 to #100. That makes for 1 top 25 win, 5 top 50 wins and 12 top 100 wins.

I didn't remember our resume looked like that. We did get robbed with the 8 seed!

Big time. Lunardi had us projected as a 6 seed. Even Palm had us as a 7.

That's crazy!

(02-27-2013 05:13 PM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  

(02-27-2013 05:11 PM)JMSTiger Wrote:  

(02-27-2013 05:10 PM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  

(02-27-2013 05:07 PM)JMSTiger Wrote:  

(02-27-2013 05:02 PM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  Last year we had the 20th RPI, and were 2-7 vs. the RPI top 50.

That's not accurate. Last season going into Selection Sunday, Memphis was #16 in the RPI with a RPI SOS of #20. Memphis was 1-6 vs. RPI #1-#25, 4-0 vs. RPI #26-#50 and 7-1 vs. RPI #51 to #100. That makes for 1 top 25 win, 5 top 50 wins and 12 top 100 wins.

You may be looking at a RPI that continued on throughout the postseason games, but the RPI that matters in the end is the final RPI on Selection Sunday. My figures from above come from that. An RPI after that doesn't mean anything because Selection Sunday has come and gone.

There's the Nitty Gritty report.

http://warrennolan.com/basketball/2012/nitty

WarrenNolan.com's RPI continues on throughout the NCAA tournament, NIT, CBI, etc. I am talking about what our RPI looked like on Selection Sunday 2012. RPI after Selection Sunday doesn't mean anything.

Ah that could be it. Where did you get your numbers from selection sunday?

collegerpi.com

That is Jerry Palm's old site. It used to be paid, now it is free because he stopped updating it after the 2011-12 season. The archives from every season from 1993-94 to 2011-12 are still there.

Hoping for good matchups...higher seed which helps get them.

Wish the kids had won last night- nothing can be done but winning the next game.

Which- will only anger many.