Looking back on it, if someone where to tell you before the season started that the Tiger's would go 30-4, would you have taken it? That's what this team can still do. Did we get the particular wins we wanted? Probably not, but 4 losses is still 4 losses.

(02-27-2013 10:10 AM)memphis mania Wrote:  Looking back on it, if someone where to tell you before the season started that the Tiger's would go 30-4, would you have taken it? That's what this team can still do. Did we get the particular wins we wanted? Probably not, but 4 losses is still 4 losses.

The answer is obviously yes, but I would trade a Southern Miss loss for a Louisville or Minnesota win. Winning games was not the question coming into the season. It was can they win against quality teams.

(02-27-2013 10:18 AM)dwash Wrote:  

(02-27-2013 10:10 AM)memphis mania Wrote:  Looking back on it, if someone where to tell you before the season started that the Tiger's would go 30-4, would you have taken it? That's what this team can still do. Did we get the particular wins we wanted? Probably not, but 4 losses is still 4 losses.

The answer is obviously yes, but I would trade a Southern Miss loss for a Louisville or Minnesota win. Winning games was not the question coming into the season. It was can they win against quality teams.

Agree. For sure, everyone would have taken that record. However, the losses early in the season can be explained away by the addition of new players, losses to quality teams, etc. This loss was just plain bad to an 11-loss mid-pack A10 team with their best point guard injured and considering the fact that we had finally started playing good team basketball. All of the gains we had made in our play seemed to suddenly and inexplicably vanish.

Oh yeah, and we are not 30-4 yet - that's taking for granted that we will get there, sort of like our players took for granted that we would beat Xavier.

30-4 is worthless without any quality wins.
18 game win streaks are worthless without any quality wins. What Josh has is 4 years worth of quality losses.

Josh is loved so much (cause he's a nice guy) that maybe hell get the chance to figure it put. Any other coach at a big time school would have been fired by now.

Right now, it is what it is.

No, 40-0. #dreamscrushed

(02-27-2013 10:39 AM)tigersgrizzfan Wrote:  30-4 is worthless without any quality wins.
18 game win streaks are worthless without any quality wins. What Josh has is 4 years worth of quality losses.

Josh is loved so much (cause he's a nice guy) that maybe hell get the chance to figure it put. Any other coach at a big time school would have been fired by now.

Right now, it is what it is.

Go root for KY, or Miami Heat in the NBA or the Giants in baseball or the Ravens in the NFL.

(02-27-2013 10:10 AM)memphis mania Wrote:  Looking back on it, if someone where to tell you before the season started that the Tiger's would go 30-4, would you have taken it? That's what this team can still do. Did we get the particular wins we wanted? Probably not, but 4 losses is still 4 losses.

Hell yeah, but I would have thought that would put us at #10 in the country.

Can we stop trying to rationalize the position the team is in?

(02-27-2013 10:39 AM)tigersgrizzfan Wrote:  30-4 is worthless without any quality wins.
18 game win streaks are worthless without any quality wins. What Josh has is 4 years worth of quality losses.

Josh is loved so much (cause he's a nice guy) that maybe hell get the chance to figure it put. Any other coach at a big time school would have been fired by now.

Right now, it is what it is.

(02-27-2013 10:39 AM)tigersgrizzfan Wrote:  30-4 is worthless without any quality wins.
18 game win streaks are worthless without any quality wins. What Josh has is 4 years worth of quality losses.

Josh is loved so much (cause he's a nice guy) that maybe hell get the chance to figure it put. Any other coach at a big time school would have been fired by now.

Right now, it is what it is.

100 wins in less than 4 years. Yeah...I'm sure he would've been fired somewhere by now. Right.

This team gets 3 or 4 shots at a "decent" win each year. 3 or 4. Most of them are early in the year. Most of them are on neutral courts or on the road. That's it. You're going to judge Pastner's coaching ability on those games?

How come Xavier (this year) is a horrible loss and if we had won it wouldn't have meant anything. However, last year, when we beat them, it doesn't count for anything? You know...last year, when they were a Sweet 16 team?

I'm not saying I'm not disappointed, because I am. But upsets happen. It's just more frustrating for us as Tiger fans because it's not like we can say...."Well, we lost this game, but we've got another Top 25 game this weekend, and then we'll be home against a Top 10 team next week." This was it. Our only shot between November and March. And we let it slip through our fingers.

No reason to say that Pastner deserves to be fired because of that, though.

The interesting part is that over Josh tenure here at Memphis we have had very very close misses. We lost to #1 KU by 2, we lost close to Louisville, Arizona in the NCAA's...etc. If one basket goes in or we have a break in a different direction are we still having the discussion about Josh?

I had us at 25-6, 28-6 going into the NCAA Tournament.

So yes. I'll take 30-4 and a 7 seed.

(02-27-2013 12:06 PM)stratecashomie Wrote:  I had us at 25-6, 28-6 going into the NCAA Tournament.

So yes. I'll take 30-4 and a 7 seed.

Sadly, I think you're going to have to take 30-4 and a 9-11 seed.

Personally, if we can't get a 6 or 7, I'd rather have an 11.

Funy stuff- posters who had disappeared have started half a dozen baiting threads!

Go Tigers!!!

If Xavier was a decent game- then 6-8 others were too- which our kids won.

But- we want to whine about seeding!!!

(02-27-2013 12:24 PM)azredbirds Wrote:  

(02-27-2013 12:06 PM)stratecashomie Wrote:  I had us at 25-6, 28-6 going into the NCAA Tournament.

So yes. I'll take 30-4 and a 7 seed.

Sadly, I think you're going to have to take 30-4 and a 9-11 seed.

Personally, if we can't get a 6 or 7, I'd rather have an 11.

If we get a an 9-11 seed after being 30-4 with an RPI of about 15, it would be the worst shafting in terms of seeding maybe ever. I'm not saying we should get the 4 seed that our RPI works out to, more like a 6 or 7, but 9-11 would be insanity.

(02-27-2013 12:41 PM)memphis mania Wrote:  

(02-27-2013 12:24 PM)azredbirds Wrote:  

(02-27-2013 12:06 PM)stratecashomie Wrote:  I had us at 25-6, 28-6 going into the NCAA Tournament.

So yes. I'll take 30-4 and a 7 seed.

Sadly, I think you're going to have to take 30-4 and a 9-11 seed.

Personally, if we can't get a 6 or 7, I'd rather have an 11.

If we get a an 9-11 seed after being 30-4 with an RPI of about 15, it would be the worst shafting in terms of seeding maybe ever. I'm not saying we should get the 4 seed that our RPI works out to, more like a 6 or 7, but 9-11 would be insanity.

Well you're on the right board if you want to talk to insanity.

I think many of you don't understand the seeding process (I am certainly not an expert myself), but it is unlikely we will still be seeing a 6 or 7 seed and it wouldn't be the worst shaft ever if we received a higher seed). Our RPI is great and we don't have a single bad loss. However, we don't have any signature wins to hang our hat on either. Others will continue to win/lose, so our seeding could still be affected even if we win out. The big picture is that we are a midling seed currently without any signature wins.

Now, if other teams currently at the same level or ahead of us lose, we may crawl back to a 6 or 7 seed (I think its unlikely, but the selection committee will look at how teams finish as a part of their decision).

On the other hand, if all of the teams even or ahead of us have a great finish, we could see a 9 or 10 seed even if we win out. We don't have any games left which could further our resume. Many of our competitors for seeding still have a chance to bolster their resume.

So win out, no more complaining and get a second life in the NCAA's and make a run for the Sweet 16.

(02-27-2013 12:57 PM)Manofplay Wrote:  I think many of you don't understand the seeding process (I am certainly not an expert myself), but it is unlikely we will still be seeing a 6 or 7 seed and it wouldn't be the worst shaft ever if we received a higher seed). Our RPI is great and we don't have a single bad loss. However, we don't have any signature wins to hang our hat on either. Others will continue to win/lose, so our seeding could still be affected even if we win out. The big picture is that we are a midling seed currently without any signature wins.

Now, if other teams currently at the same level or ahead of us lose, we may crawl back to a 6 or 7 seed (I think its unlikely, but the selection committee will look at how teams finish as a part of their decision).

On the other hand, if all of the teams even or ahead of us have a great finish, we could see a 9 or 10 seed even if we win out. We don't have any games left which could further our resume. Many of our competitors for seeding still have a chance to bolster their resume.

So win out, no more complaining and get a second life in the NCAA's and make a run for the Sweet 16.

I said it would be a shafting to receive a 9-11 with an RPI of 15. You made it sound like it would be the worst shafting ever if they got an 8. It would be a shafting, but not to a degree of a 9-11. We will not see a 9-11 seed if we win out no matter what happens. That I will guarantee.

As honest as I possibly could be. If I could have chosen this exact scenario compared to a 27-7 that included wins over some of the better teams (especially in the Bahamas) I would take 27-7 all day long.

I personally have never been impressed with 25+ wins with our kind of schedule.

Vernon pointed out in the past 3 seasons (not including the first season) our record against Top 50 END OF THE SEASON teams is 3-12... That is pitiful. Sorry, that is beyond pitiful. 3-12 (according to Vernon) 0-11 (according to the world).

I am crossing my fingers and hoping the rumors I heard on the radio are true, Pastner to USC a done deal...

So we don't even need to watch the last 6 games ? Since they are lock wins?