(02-23-2013 06:34 PM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  

(02-23-2013 06:23 PM)edwindavey69 Wrote:  this is a horrible deal- now I wish that we would have aligned with the Catholic 7 in basketball only- that would at least earn more than $2MM per team depending on total # of teams in the new conference. We could have supplemented football at that point- I don't see the big monetary increase that the administration saw going forward in the nBE (CUSA 2.0). This will not help football as everyone thinks and will only hurt basketball!

For us to support football as an independent we'd have to make about 3 times what the C& will make. Not to mention we would never play on TV or in a bowl or possibly fill out a schedule without 3 or 4 1AA teams and 7 away games and therefore we could never recruit.

That's not true at all. Just schedule opponents that have TV deals..... Like Ole Miss, Tenn, Miss State, Louisville, Cincinnati, Duke, Kansas, etc. etc.

(02-24-2013 07:40 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(02-23-2013 06:34 PM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  

(02-23-2013 06:23 PM)edwindavey69 Wrote:  this is a horrible deal- now I wish that we would have aligned with the Catholic 7 in basketball only- that would at least earn more than $2MM per team depending on total # of teams in the new conference. We could have supplemented football at that point- I don't see the big monetary increase that the administration saw going forward in the nBE (CUSA 2.0). This will not help football as everyone thinks and will only hurt basketball!

For us to support football as an independent we'd have to make about 3 times what the C& will make. Not to mention we would never play on TV or in a bowl or possibly fill out a schedule without 3 or 4 1AA teams and 7 away games and therefore we could never recruit.

That's not true at all. Just schedule opponents that have TV deals..... Like Ole Miss, Tenn, Miss State, Louisville, Cincinnati, Duke, Kansas, etc. etc.

Exactly.

Let me clarify a little further, since UAB fan wants to challege it. These are projections, not guarantees. They are based on 2014 membership in both conferences. They are not my numbers and not my details. But I think they are feasible, based on past performance of the teams involved. This also assumes nobody else leaves either conference.

I agree with bluebacker that total revenue, even at $5M, eases the pain a little. I think we will at least double CUSA, and maybe more. This projection is almost triple. Maybe a little optimistic for an average, but certainly possible.

Think about the main teams remaining in both conferences in each sport. In CUSA. for football, they have Tulsa (if we don't take them), USM and LA Tech. The BE has Cincy, ECU, UCF, SMU, Houston. Even UConn or USF could make some noise. Most years, our conference champ will battle Boise/MWC for the BCS bowl slot. Due to SOS and other factors, the CUSA champ would likely have to go undefeated, or one loss, at worst, to even be in the discussion. The BE can certainly be expected to outperform CUSA there. Our regular bowl takes will be much better, too.

In basketball, the BE could reasonably be a 4-bid league most years, with us, UConn, Cincy and Temple. Maybe another team or 2 could jump in from time to time. CUSA will likely be a one-bid league most years, with a mediocre seed that could regularly be expected to not win a game. With the BE Big 4, we have a big advantage here.

Another factor is the total # of teams. We will have less mouths to feed. We will have 10-12, and at 11 or 12, one would be football only (Navy). CUSA will have at least 12, and perhaps 14 or more.

Also, their TV take could actually fall by several hundred thou per school from thre current $1.2M.

(02-23-2013 11:43 PM)boss man Wrote:  

(02-23-2013 10:17 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(02-23-2013 07:25 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  It's a joke of a contract. We've basically just treaded water.

Not treading water by a long shot. Total projected CUSA revenue per team, for TV, NCAA BB credits, and new football playoff distribution:

CUSA = $2.5M per team per year
BE = $7.2M per team per year

Thank you.

This is what I have been trying to explain to many of the naysayers who keep insisting MEMPHIS should have have:
1) stayed in C-USA
2) accepted the C-7 backchannel offer (as Bro Smiley recommends)

Both of those options are quite honestly stupid.

The nBE has the BEST teams from C-USA along with UConn, Cincy, USF, and Temple. As memtigbb noted, those four should be dancing each March, which help pile up the NCAA credits compared to C-USA.

Now, obviously, the TV contract isn't NEAR what all of us envisioned the few weeks following the invitation last February. But a LOT has happened with realignment since then. MEMPHIS had no other real option but to ride it out like the other nBE members. No, the TV money isn't ACC level. But it sure as hell is better than C-USA.

The talk about the annual payout not being to meet the "increased" travel costs has been shot down several times. The only extra real cost for MEMPHIS is the trips to Philly to play Temple. Other than UConn and Temple, the non revenue sports teams will charter a bus for travel. Someone made the great point that there are natural travel partners for two road games/matches for volleyball, women's bb, etc:
- USF and UCF
- Houston and SMU

Ever forward, TIGERS.

East Carolina and SMU got in because they have good football programs but they s*ck in basketball..

Overall... We are better off in the New Big East..

(02-24-2013 07:40 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(02-23-2013 06:34 PM)aTxTIGER Wrote:  

(02-23-2013 06:23 PM)edwindavey69 Wrote:  this is a horrible deal- now I wish that we would have aligned with the Catholic 7 in basketball only- that would at least earn more than $2MM per team depending on total # of teams in the new conference. We could have supplemented football at that point- I don't see the big monetary increase that the administration saw going forward in the nBE (CUSA 2.0). This will not help football as everyone thinks and will only hurt basketball!

For us to support football as an independent we'd have to make about 3 times what the C& will make. Not to mention we would never play on TV or in a bowl or possibly fill out a schedule without 3 or 4 1AA teams and 7 away games and therefore we could never recruit.

That's not true at all. Just schedule opponents that have TV deals..... Like Ole Miss, Tenn, Miss State, Louisville, Cincinnati, Duke, Kansas, etc. etc.

Do you think our schedule would have all of those teams on it? Schools in conferences have, you know, conference schedules of 8 to 9 games. If we had the pull of a Notre Dame then yes, I would agree. Even BYU has problems getting a full schedule even with their pull(which is greater than ours) and with a TV contract with ESPN(which we wouldnt get).

You would see a schedule with maybe Louisville, UT or Ole Miss, MTSU, ASU, maybe USM or UAB, and then???????? A couple D-1AA teams and maybe some more Sun Belts. On the bright side, we might be able to sign home and homes with NMSU and Idaho.

From yesterday's NY times:

Richard Sandomir/NY Times Wrote:The Big East-ESPN deal breaks down to $10 million in the 2013-14 season for Big East basketball only, and $20 million annually starting in 2014-15 for basketball and football, according to published reports. The deal would end in 2019-20.

One executive briefed on the terms said that if the seven Catholic colleges stay for the 2013-14 season, games could be sublicensed to another media company, like Fox Sports, and generate more money. But if the seven colleges leave, the $10 million figure would decrease.

NBC’s bid for the Big East would have put most of the conference’s games on the NBC Sports Network, but up to 10 football games a year would have been broadcast on NBC. Big East basketball would have been promoted during NBC’s Winter Olympic coverage from Sochi, Russia, next year. Games would also have been carried on Comcast regional networks in Big East markets like Philadelphia and New England.

Article

(02-23-2013 07:25 PM)bluebacker Wrote:  It's a joke of a contract. We've basically just treaded water.

moving forward. everything is on the move, if you don't move along you die. got to be in an all sports conference.

there are only two football independents that have clout; Notre Dame and BYU. You could include Army and Navy, but...

(02-24-2013 12:53 AM)JMSTiger Wrote:  

(02-23-2013 11:57 PM)Claw Wrote:  I'll be the miserable.

The gap between us and Ole Miss just got a lot wider.

The gap between any school from the Big East, Mountain West, Conference USA, MAC, Sun Belt and the five power conferences is massive. Any of those programs from the five power conferences will be making roughly 10 times more money from media rights than Memphis. This is why we must do all we can to improve our football program and hope that when the music finally stops in conference realignment, we are at the big boy table. We also have to hope there will be more than 65 seats at that table.

Great observation, the part that sucks is the bottom feeders of those conferences are getting that money. Iowa State, Wake Forest, Northwestern and plenty more.

(02-25-2013 10:51 AM)Tiger46 Wrote:  

(02-24-2013 12:53 AM)JMSTiger Wrote:  

(02-23-2013 11:57 PM)Claw Wrote:  I'll be the miserable.

The gap between us and Ole Miss just got a lot wider.

The gap between any school from the Big East, Mountain West, Conference USA, MAC, Sun Belt and the five power conferences is massive. Any of those programs from the five power conferences will be making roughly 10 times more money from media rights than Memphis. This is why we must do all we can to improve our football program and hope that when the music finally stops in conference realignment, we are at the big boy table. We also have to hope there will be more than 65 seats at that table.

Great observation, the part that sucks is the bottom feeders of those conferences are getting that money. Iowa State, Wake Forest, Northwestern and plenty more.

Well if our academics were up to par with those three, we'd have a stronger narrative for inclusion... And that's something I agree with GA about.

(02-23-2013 05:56 PM)JMSTiger Wrote:  Big East, ESPN agree to TV deal

The Big East Conference confirmed Saturday that ESPN has matched a media rights deal offer, keeping the network as the league's primary rights holder.

The deal is for seven years and worth $130 million through the 2019-20 school year, league sources said. The Big East's new deal is worth less per school than its current ESPN deal and six times less than what ESPN presented two years ago.

The conference did not reveal terms of the agreement in its announcement.

The rest is here:

http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/...ights-deal

they screwed up by letting us in

(02-25-2013 10:43 AM)Derby Wrote:  From yesterday's NY times:

Richard Sandomir/NY Times Wrote:The Big East-ESPN deal breaks down to $10 million in the 2013-14 season for Big East basketball only, and $20 million annually starting in 2014-15 for basketball and football, according to published reports. The deal would end in 2019-20.

One executive briefed on the terms said that if the seven Catholic colleges stay for the 2013-14 season, games could be sublicensed to another media company, like Fox Sports, and generate more money. But if the seven colleges leave, the $10 million figure would decrease.

NBC’s bid for the Big East would have put most of the conference’s games on the NBC Sports Network, but up to 10 football games a year would have been broadcast on NBC. Big East basketball would have been promoted during NBC’s Winter Olympic coverage from Sochi, Russia, next year. Games would also have been carried on Comcast regional networks in Big East markets like Philadelphia and New England.

Article

First, NBC saying they'll air "up to 10 games" on NBC broadcast is really saying nothing -- other than saying tops is 10 games. It's not a promise of anything at all. Second, the CBS deal for the basketball side will bring in 2 to 4 million --- so the deal 12 to 14 million for basketball and 10 million for football.

And as a side note --- *IF* Navy still comes in 2015 for football than I see no reason to add ECU on the basketball side since they bring no value.

Aresco was on Tim Brando's show this morning and he said that virtually all nBE games will be shown nationally.

(02-25-2013 01:54 PM)anothertigerfan Wrote:  Aresco was on Tim Brando's show this morning and he said that virtually all nBE games will be shown nationally.

Cal used to say the same thing about our games...

He didn't say you needed to have specific kinds of cable carriers and pay for a specific sports tier.