(02-20-2013 08:49 AM)MrP3242 Wrote:  UC needs some scorers. Indiana has four players that will score over 1,000 points this season. I wish UC had 4 players scoring over 1,000 points this season.

Indiana wil have 4 players that score over a 1,000 points for their career...not a 1,000 points this season....

I agree you watch a lot of college games that have a ton of physical play and I can see it impacting teams, including UC, although that would not help UC's offensive woes a ton (It would help some as how often do you see guys drive that take some decent uncalled contact and miss or lose the ball.

Then every once in awhile a game is called tight and teams don't adjust and it is a FT snoozer with neither team getting into a rhythm on offense. If that was the norm, you'd see less fouling and more offense from most teams. Good defense will still exist as a few teams do a pretty good job with defensive fundamentals that would benefit a little more than those that just use physical play to defend.

I have watched a little more NBA in recent years, albeit not much, but it does seem that offenses find the going easier, although there are still some good defenders that play well without fouling. There is some merit to what Mick is stating, although I'm not sure the NCAA would be able to really make that change, even if it was for the best down the line.

Looking at the scoreboard on ESPN most nights, there are a ton of low scoring games and then an occasional shootout, although often that seems to be from teams that don't play good defense and give up a ton of points, but just plan to outscore you.

(02-20-2013 10:55 AM)BigDawg Wrote:  Then every once in awhile a game is called tight and teams don't adjust and it is a FT snoozer with neither team getting into a rhythm on offense. If that was the norm, you'd see less fouling and more offense from most teams. Good defense will still exist as a few teams do a pretty good job with defensive fundamentals that would benefit a little more than those that just use physical play to defend.

Exactly correct, if games were CONSISTENTLY called tighter teams would adjust and the game would have more flow on offense. My issues is officials in addition to letting to much contact go is that officiating is way too inconsistent. Sometimes officials let a mugging go on one end only to call a touch foul on the other end.

(02-20-2013 09:08 AM)indycat Wrote:  Yes, the offense is a problem. I'm not throwing the coach under the bus but when we see the ball passed around the perimeter with no offensive purpose until a desperation shot is heaved up with the shot clock expiring, that's a problem. It happens to all teams at times but it happens regularly with this one. Even Bobby Knight and Jay Bilas have commented on what Jay called the "windshield wiper" offense--passing back and forth on the perimeter and not attacking the basket. It's almost inconceivable that with all of Georgetown's starters in foul trouble the players weren't told to drive to the goal every possession the last six minutes. If they weren't told that it's a coaching problem. If they didn't listen, well that's a coaching problem too I suppose.

Against Georgetown I don't think they ever through up a desperation shot with the shot clock expiring.

As far as not attacking with under 6 minutes, throwing up threes was not the problem. Cash took a three with just over a minute left that wasn't a good shot, but all the other possessions were either drives to the basket or kick outs for three. Turnovers and missed FTs were what really killed them. The possessions went like this:
Rubles gets fouled, misses both FTs (game tied at 51)
Kilpatrick turnover
Rubles misses layup
Kilpatrick gets fouled, makes both FTs
Kilpatrick misses 2 point jumper
Wright commits offensive foul
Sanders and Parker miss 3s (down 2 points with 2 min. left)
Wright misses 3 (down 4 points with 1 min. left)
Sanders misses 3 (down 5 with 40 seconds left), Cheik off. rebound and turnover, game effectively over

That's 3 turnovers in those 9 possessions, plus an empty trip to the FT line. Can't have that.

Meh... we get more fouls that means just that many more missed free throws by Parker, Mbodj, JJ, Nyarsuk and company.

In all seriousness, I understand what Mick is saying being a global issue as opposed to just UC.

Very misleading article title IMO.

What Mick is talking about and what the author is insinuating are not the same thing. Very different actually.

Anyone who watches UC knows their struggles are all on the offensive end in particular in the half court. It's a mixture of everything really. They dont have any offensively skilled big men. They dont have nearly enough guys who can create their own shot, much less shoot the ball conistently, and they dont have enough quality passers. Watching them in the half court has been absolutely brutal this year.

Mick has always had a problem with taking heat when things go bad. His junior high offensive schemes simply aren't Big East competitive for obvious reasons.

(02-20-2013 11:35 AM)Marcus Wrote:  They dont have any offensively skilled big men.

Other than Yancy, who has Mick been able to recruit that would be considered an offensively skilled big man?

(02-20-2013 11:52 AM)chatcat Wrote:  

(02-20-2013 11:35 AM)Marcus Wrote:  They dont have any offensively skilled big men.

Other than Yancy, who has Mick been able to recruit that would be considered an offensively skilled big man?

I would agree that recruiting has been his biggest problem. Mick seems to follow the same philosophy Huggs did where he'd rather try to take an athlete and develop basketball skills than take a basketball player and develop more athleticism. After the recent blurbs about Strickland I'm hoping that he's the opposite.

(02-20-2013 11:35 AM)Marcus Wrote:  Very misleading article title IMO.

What Mick is talking about and what the author is insinuating are not the same thing. Very different actually.

Anyone who watches UC knows their struggles are all on the offensive end in particular in the half court. It's a mixture of everything really. They dont have any offensively skilled big men. They dont have nearly enough guys who can create their own shot, much less shoot the ball conistently, and they dont have enough quality passers. Watching them in the half court has been absolutely brutal this year.

I watched the Wisconsin game the other night. The athletes aren't
awe inspiring. It's their cuts, screens, movement and steady passing that creates their scoring. Blend that offense, with our defense and
it would be more efficient.

(02-20-2013 12:10 PM)BearcatBeta Wrote:  

(02-20-2013 11:35 AM)Marcus Wrote:  Very misleading article title IMO.

What Mick is talking about and what the author is insinuating are not the same thing. Very different actually.

Anyone who watches UC knows their struggles are all on the offensive end in particular in the half court. It's a mixture of everything really. They dont have any offensively skilled big men. They dont have nearly enough guys who can create their own shot, much less shoot the ball conistently, and they dont have enough quality passers. Watching them in the half court has been absolutely brutal this year.

I watched the Wisconsin game the other night. The athletes aren't
awe inspiring. It's their cuts, screens, movement and steady passing that creates their scoring. Blend that offense, with our defense and
it would be more efficient.

You hit the nail on the head about this team.

(02-20-2013 11:52 AM)chatcat Wrote:  

(02-20-2013 11:35 AM)Marcus Wrote:  They dont have any offensively skilled big men.

Other than Yancy, who has Mick been able to recruit that would be considered an offensively skilled big man?

Nobody.

(02-20-2013 11:03 AM)RealDeal Wrote:  Exactly correct, if games were CONSISTENTLY called tighter teams would adjust and the game would have more flow on offense. My issues is officials in addition to letting to much contact go is that officiating is way too inconsistent. Sometimes officials let a mugging go on one end only to call a touch foul on the other end.

I agree that the lack of consistency creates opportunities for officiating to tip the balance of the game. John Cahill (sp?) seems to find ways to call fouls on UC that he never seems to call on our opponents. The "I see nothing" act followed by calling cheap touch fouls is a form of corruption in officiating. It's a big problem for even the appearance of fairness.

I really don't like Cahill's style. I watched him butting in to our time-out huddles early and frequently while never even approaching the other team in the same situation.

Cahill's approach to "letting 'em play" is just an excuse to insert himself into the outcome of the game.

(02-20-2013 12:10 PM)BearcatBeta Wrote:  

(02-20-2013 11:35 AM)Marcus Wrote:  Very misleading article title IMO.

What Mick is talking about and what the author is insinuating are not the same thing. Very different actually.

Anyone who watches UC knows their struggles are all on the offensive end in particular in the half court. It's a mixture of everything really. They dont have any offensively skilled big men. They dont have nearly enough guys who can create their own shot, much less shoot the ball conistently, and they dont have enough quality passers. Watching them in the half court has been absolutely brutal this year.

I watched the Wisconsin game the other night. The athletes aren't
awe inspiring. It's their cuts, screens, movement and steady passing that creates their scoring. Blend that offense, with our defense and
it would be more efficient.

Yeah, I agree. Watch Butler some time too.

On the issue of college basketball as a whole, Mick is 100% correct. The idea behind moving the three point line a foot back was intended to open up the game --but that hasn't been the case. It is caused by a lot things, primarily the excessive contact on cuts and screens and an increase in poor shot selection.

As for Cincinnati, they may need to go back to the 4 guard offense. I would like to see a line up of Wright, Guyn, Kilpatrick, Parker and Mbodj/Gaines/Jackson/Nyarsuk for much longer stretches. Having 2 offensive non factors in the game at the same clogs up the paint and makes it much more difficult to drive.

They need to change the game as well as the officiating. A couple of suggestions I heard that make sense were to expand the size of the half circle under the basket to the NBA size. If they would learn how to call charging that would also help. Secondly call a defensive 3 second violation. How often do you see teams pack everyone into the free throw lane eliminating the drive. It is a beautiful game if players are allowed to play. Need to also call some of the mugging that goes on underneath the basket.

I also agree Mick needs to learn how to teach offense.

http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/8959...rutchfield

I think the lack of scoring has more to do with Tempo and overly controlling coaches slowing every game down to prevent transition than anything else Coaches all try to micromanage every possession and as a result they are always going against set defense and with the athletes today there are simply less good shots available.