(02-20-2013 01:30 PM)CougarRed Wrote:  And Sagarin is 50% based on margin of victory with home court advantage factored in. So they both account for the home/away disparity.

Sagarin makes up hi numbers weekly. No method, only madness.

(02-19-2013 07:31 PM)egrizzard Wrote:  http://collegebasketballtalk.nbcsports.c...n/related/


Annoying to me. I think USM should be in, not out.

The perception that CUSA isn't that good in basketball keeps getting fed by the talking heads. It's also interesting that the projections can be so wildly different.

I am completely with you in regards to this. You wanna see a crooked clique in action? Watch the NCAA Tournament Selection Committee put in some work, they make the BCS look like the Vienna Boys Choir.

I can't help but wonder which cartel-endorsed conference is going to get 11 teams out of 12 in like they did with the Big East a couple of years ago...I'm still about that! Conference USA is worthy of at least 3 teams recieving bids. I'd be surprised if the Missouri Valley Conference doesn't get 3. But , make no mistake, "Cinderella" is slowly but surely being taken out of the NCAA Tournament equation.

(02-20-2013 02:54 PM)wh49er Wrote:  NCAA will have no sympathy for bubble teams who schedule DII teams. At the end of the day USM will have no to blame but themselves.

Considering those games do not even count towards RPI or our official record, it really doesn't matter if we did or not.

(02-20-2013 03:02 PM)Matrix Wrote:  Conference USA is worthy of at least 3 teams recieving bids. I'd be surprised if the Missouri Valley Conference doesn't get 3. But , make no mistake, "Cinderella" is slowly but surely being taken out of the NCAA Tournament equation.

Please explain who should get the 3rd bid and why? I would give the MVC 4 bids, MWC or A-10 7-8 bids before the CUSA should get 3.

We do not deserve three bids. We may not even deserve two unless USM can win a couple games against quality opponents.

UAB didn't win the conference. They got a bid.

Who says someone other than Memphis has to win the CUSA Tournament to get a bid? :muttering:

(02-20-2013 02:54 PM)wh49er Wrote:  NCAA will have no sympathy for bubble teams who schedule DII teams. At the end of the day USM will have no to blame but themselves.

Yeah, it's a real shame we turned down Arizona and Georgetown when they offered to come down to Hattiesburg. I'll never understand why we turned down that all-sports bid to the ACC. I guess we want to continue our epic series with Dillard. We wouldn't want to endanger our football series with Texas State, either.

(02-20-2013 02:54 PM)wh49er Wrote:  NCAA will have no sympathy for bubble teams who schedule DII teams. At the end of the day USM will have no to blame but themselves.

I kinda agree with that. We're a team good enough to play (and win) at least one game in the tournament, so but so are a lot of other teams. Those challenged themselves more than we did, ergo we stay home. If I were on the committee, I wouldn't put us in.

(02-20-2013 04:03 PM)AndreWhere Wrote:  Yeah, it's a real shame we turned down Arizona and Georgetown when they offered to come down to Hattiesburg. I'll never understand why we turned down that all-sports bid to the ACC. I guess we want to continue our epic series with Dillard. We wouldn't want to endanger our football series with Texas State, either.

There are plenty of teams that are not historical basketball powerhouses willing exchange a home and home with a team in CUSA. Charlotte seems to find them so why not USM? Miami, FSU, Oregon State, Clemson, Tennessee, GT, ODU, and Southern Illinois are all decent teams that we've scheduled home and home with over the past 5 years.

By all means go ahead schedule like you are small time and the perception of your program will always be small time.

Perhaps I've been asleep at the wheel, but I don't understand the Legends Classic:

http://www.gazellegroup.com/events/legen...racket.pdf

Those brackets show that the Golden Eagles won 4 games in that tournament/classic; Georgia, Sam Houston State, Liberty, and UC Irvine, yet they're not in the "Championship Rounds in NYC.....Georgia is.

(02-20-2013 04:30 PM)oldtiger Wrote:  Perhaps I've been asleep at the wheel, but I don't understand the Legends Classic:

http://www.gazellegroup.com/events/legen...racket.pdf

Those brackets show that the Golden Eagles won 4 games in that tournament/classic; Georgia, Sam Houston State, Liberty, and UC Irvine, yet they're not in the "Championship Rounds in NYC.....Georgia is.

There was an article posted on ESPN earlier this basketball season about the Legends Classic, but it didn't mention USM. Apparently, in order to guarantee ticket sales and television revenue, the in-season tournaments are guaranteeing that certain teams pass through to the semifinals even if they lose in the first round. Georgia was one of those teams in the Legends Classic. Just another example of the rich getting richer and the po' getting...mo' po'.

(02-20-2013 12:45 PM)HHOOTter Wrote:  Only way Conf USA can 'sniff" @ 2 NCAA bids this year
is 2 have some one other than Memphis win the conference tourney.

I disagree...why does the NCAA even have the rpi if they aren't going to use it. If all goes as it should Southern Miss will be sitting in the low 30s by tournament time...
This projections has a 13-9 (rpi-72) Air Force team in consideration over Southern Miss....I'm sorry but that is a joke!!

(02-20-2013 02:54 PM)wh49er Wrote:  NCAA will have no sympathy for bubble teams who schedule DII teams. At the end of the day USM will have no to blame but themselves.

First off we had 2 NAIA teams, not DII teams. NAIA teams do not count towards your rpi and the committee will not consider them at all. We played 4 last year and still made the tournament.

(02-20-2013 04:36 PM)Freshy Wrote:  

(02-20-2013 04:30 PM)oldtiger Wrote:  Perhaps I've been asleep at the wheel, but I don't understand the Legends Classic:

http://www.gazellegroup.com/events/legen...racket.pdf

Those brackets show that the Golden Eagles won 4 games in that tournament/classic; Georgia, Sam Houston State, Liberty, and UC Irvine, yet they're not in the "Championship Rounds in NYC.....Georgia is.

There was an article posted on ESPN earlier this basketball season about the Legends Classic, but it didn't mention USM. Apparently, in order to guarantee ticket sales and television revenue, the in-season tournaments are guaranteeing that certain teams pass through to the semifinals even if they lose in the first round. Georgia was one of those teams in the Legends Classic. Just another example of the rich getting richer and the po' getting...mo' po'.

You're right, it is another example.....the Golden Eagles are going to be penalized by the committee for their schedule when they earned a shot at Indiana, Georgetown, and/or UCLA but were prohibited from playing them.

(02-20-2013 04:29 PM)wh49er Wrote:  

(02-20-2013 04:03 PM)AndreWhere Wrote:  Yeah, it's a real shame we turned down Arizona and Georgetown when they offered to come down to Hattiesburg. I'll never understand why we turned down that all-sports bid to the ACC. I guess we want to continue our epic series with Dillard. We wouldn't want to endanger our football series with Texas State, either.

There are plenty of teams that are not historical basketball powerhouses willing exchange a home and home with a team in CUSA. Charlotte seems to find them so why not USM? Miami, FSU, Oregon State, Clemson, Tennessee, GT, ODU, and Southern Illinois are all decent teams that we've scheduled home and home with over the past 5 years.

By all means go ahead schedule like you are small time and the perception of your program will always be small time.

You can't say "UNCC gets good home opponents so USM should too." That's not even apples-to-oranges, that's like comparing J. Lo to a fax machine. You're a bus trip for tons of good basketball teams that probably haven't even heard of Hattiesburg.

(02-20-2013 04:49 PM)oldtiger Wrote:  

(02-20-2013 04:36 PM)Freshy Wrote:  

(02-20-2013 04:30 PM)oldtiger Wrote:  Perhaps I've been asleep at the wheel, but I don't understand the Legends Classic:

http://www.gazellegroup.com/events/legen...racket.pdf

Those brackets show that the Golden Eagles won 4 games in that tournament/classic; Georgia, Sam Houston State, Liberty, and UC Irvine, yet they're not in the "Championship Rounds in NYC.....Georgia is.

There was an article posted on ESPN earlier this basketball season about the Legends Classic, but it didn't mention USM. Apparently, in order to guarantee ticket sales and television revenue, the in-season tournaments are guaranteeing that certain teams pass through to the semifinals even if they lose in the first round. Georgia was one of those teams in the Legends Classic. Just another example of the rich getting richer and the po' getting...mo' po'.

You're right, it is another example.....the Golden Eagles are going to be penalized by the committee for their schedule when they earned a shot at Indiana, Georgetown, and/or UCLA but were prohibited from playing them.

I remember wondering about that at the time. TV wanted a RIGGED tournament and they got one. That's USM in a nutshell.

(02-20-2013 04:53 PM)AndreWhere Wrote:  

(02-20-2013 04:29 PM)wh49er Wrote:  

(02-20-2013 04:03 PM)AndreWhere Wrote:  Yeah, it's a real shame we turned down Arizona and Georgetown when they offered to come down to Hattiesburg. I'll never understand why we turned down that all-sports bid to the ACC. I guess we want to continue our epic series with Dillard. We wouldn't want to endanger our football series with Texas State, either.

There are plenty of teams that are not historical basketball powerhouses willing exchange a home and home with a team in CUSA. Charlotte seems to find them so why not USM? Miami, FSU, Oregon State, Clemson, Tennessee, GT, ODU, and Southern Illinois are all decent teams that we've scheduled home and home with over the past 5 years.

By all means go ahead schedule like you are small time and the perception of your program will always be small time.

You can't say "UNCC gets good home opponents so USM should too." That's not even apples-to-oranges, that's like comparing J. Lo to a fax machine. You're a bus trip for tons of good basketball teams that probably haven't even heard of Hattiesburg.

The real issue this season has been about money. USM gets paid to play at Arizona, at New Mexico State, and at Wichita State. Traditionally, we haven't drawn enough home attendance to warrant paying travel money to those teams, let alone guarantee money. All that is on top of the fact that IHL isn't about to let USM athletics keep borrowing from academics just so we can play Southern Illinois home-and-home. Fix the budget issues, and you will see USM schedule some decent basketball series.

(02-20-2013 04:43 PM)EaglehasLanded Wrote:  

(02-20-2013 02:54 PM)wh49er Wrote:  NCAA will have no sympathy for bubble teams who schedule DII teams. At the end of the day USM will have no to blame but themselves.

First off we had 2 NAIA teams, not DII teams. NAIA teams do not count towards your rpi and the committee will not consider them at all. We played 4 last year and still made the tournament.

true, but games against non d1 schools inflate your RPI. If we played a SWAC or ASUN school in the place of Carey or Dillard, our RPI would be around 45-50 instead of 37.

Future C-USA foes MTSU & LaTech are both in, so the future is bright.

Unfortunately ODU is no where until after a coaching hire.

O D U! O D U! O D U!

(02-20-2013 05:16 PM)Beagleagle23 Wrote:  

(02-20-2013 04:43 PM)EaglehasLanded Wrote:  

(02-20-2013 02:54 PM)wh49er Wrote:  NCAA will have no sympathy for bubble teams who schedule DII teams. At the end of the day USM will have no to blame but themselves.

First off we had 2 NAIA teams, not DII teams. NAIA teams do not count towards your rpi and the committee will not consider them at all. We played 4 last year and still made the tournament.

true, but games against non d1 schools inflate your RPI. If we played a SWAC or ASUN school in the place of Carey or Dillard, our RPI would be around 45-50 instead of 37.

Probably higher than that. A lot better to play a non-division 1 game than a bottom 100 game, for better or worse.