(02-17-2013 12:32 PM)untgeorge Wrote:  

(02-15-2013 03:51 AM)TOPPERSonTOP Wrote:  This new BE tv rights deal from NBC can do one of three things for wku (and other SBC members ready to move).

1) Disprove the Market theory.

If the Catholic 7 has the TV deal the media thinks they have, their TV deal produces twice as much revenue per school as does the nBE deal. It appears the TV guys are willing to pay that much based not only on markets, but on their years of experience with those schools in those markets.

The "market theory" is not a theory, it is a demonstrable fact, at least as to major markets.

Not a demonstrable fact at all. In fact not even a true fact. Schools do not have to be located in a major market to have plenty of fans.

(02-18-2013 11:57 AM)GoApps70 Wrote:  

(02-17-2013 12:32 PM)untgeorge Wrote:  

(02-15-2013 03:51 AM)TOPPERSonTOP Wrote:  This new BE tv rights deal from NBC can do one of three things for wku (and other SBC members ready to move).

1) Disprove the Market theory.

If the Catholic 7 has the TV deal the media thinks they have, their TV deal produces twice as much revenue per school as does the nBE deal. It appears the TV guys are willing to pay that much based not only on markets, but on their years of experience with those schools in those markets.

The "market theory" is not a theory, it is a demonstrable fact, at least as to major markets.

Not a demonstrable fact at all. In fact not even a true fact. Schools do not have to be located in a major market to have plenty of fans.

If it was demonstrable then someone could link to a study showing a correlation.

(02-18-2013 01:09 PM)Crump1 Wrote:  

(02-18-2013 11:57 AM)GoApps70 Wrote:  

(02-17-2013 12:32 PM)untgeorge Wrote:  

(02-15-2013 03:51 AM)TOPPERSonTOP Wrote:  This new BE tv rights deal from NBC can do one of three things for wku (and other SBC members ready to move).

1) Disprove the Market theory.

If the Catholic 7 has the TV deal the media thinks they have, their TV deal produces twice as much revenue per school as does the nBE deal. It appears the TV guys are willing to pay that much based not only on markets, but on their years of experience with those schools in those markets.

The "market theory" is not a theory, it is a demonstrable fact, at least as to major markets.

Not a demonstrable fact at all. In fact not even a true fact. Schools do not have to be located in a major market to have plenty of fans.

If it was demonstrable then someone could link to a study showing a correlation.

Apparently ESPN and the other networks have not shared their information.

For a TV deal, it ain't the number of fans that count. It ain't even the number of alums. It is the number of TVs, and the number of TVs is what drives advertising dollars, which is what drives the TV contracts.
As to number of fans, the Catholic 7 are bringing in 15,000 or so per game. That number alone will not drive a TV contract. But they are in NYC, Washington, Philadelphia, Chicago and Milwaukee, big TV markets. And since the networks already know from experience that TV coverage of these schools produces viewers and advertising dollars.

Apparently there is a belief that companies like ESPN, who have done this for decades and have made billions of dollars doing it, don't know what they are doing. Hmmmm.

(02-16-2013 01:14 PM)arkstfan Wrote:  

(02-16-2013 07:34 AM)TeKERaider Wrote:  

(02-16-2013 12:31 AM)blunderbuss Wrote:  If you ask me the new CUSA (sans UTEP, FIU & FAU) looks pretty damn regional. I'm not really sure why people are ragging MTSU for the decision they made.

^This is my thought. Everybody keeps talking about how if everyone had stayed the sunbelt would be great but the new CUSA is terrible because of geography. The footprint of 2012 SBC and 2013 CUSA are almost identical except CUSA has the luxury of divisional play. I also love how the last 2 years are all that matters. People act like the SBC is keeping all it's good programs because a few of it's historically mediocre teams have lead the league the last few years and they are staying. The jury is not out on this decision. It was a great decision for us and will be a great decision for the next school that gets the offer, whether it's ULL, Txst, or the goats.

I've never "ragged" MTSU for talking to CUSA nor accepting the invite.

As to the "two year" comment" go run the five year numbers, it supports the proposition that Sun Belt has taken a small hit in quality as well.

CUSA West is a well constructed division for regional purposes, the east not so much but it'll be a helluva basketball division. Standing alone it would be a significant conference in and of itself in basketball.

The East is actually well constructed for what the eastern schools want. It's about as reasonably regional as possible, other than the Florida schools which everyone in the East wanted to allow them to play games in Florida every year.

(02-18-2013 11:57 AM)GoApps70 Wrote:  

(02-17-2013 12:32 PM)untgeorge Wrote:  

(02-15-2013 03:51 AM)TOPPERSonTOP Wrote:  This new BE tv rights deal from NBC can do one of three things for wku (and other SBC members ready to move).

1) Disprove the Market theory.

If the Catholic 7 has the TV deal the media thinks they have, their TV deal produces twice as much revenue per school as does the nBE deal. It appears the TV guys are willing to pay that much based not only on markets, but on their years of experience with those schools in those markets.

The "market theory" is not a theory, it is a demonstrable fact, at least as to major markets.

Not a demonstrable fact at all. In fact not even a true fact. Schools do not have to be located in a major market to have plenty of fans.

Deep dude, deep.

(02-15-2013 07:29 AM)panama Wrote:  Its still better than CUSA money

StI'll more than belt money

(02-18-2013 01:09 PM)Crump1 Wrote:  

(02-18-2013 11:57 AM)GoApps70 Wrote:  

(02-17-2013 12:32 PM)untgeorge Wrote:  

(02-15-2013 03:51 AM)TOPPERSonTOP Wrote:  This new BE tv rights deal from NBC can do one of three things for wku (and other SBC members ready to move).

1) Disprove the Market theory.

If the Catholic 7 has the TV deal the media thinks they have, their TV deal produces twice as much revenue per school as does the nBE deal. It appears the TV guys are willing to pay that much based not only on markets, but on their years of experience with those schools in those markets.

The "market theory" is not a theory, it is a demonstrable fact, at least as to major markets.

Not a demonstrable fact at all. In fact not even a true fact. Schools do not have to be located in a major market to have plenty of fans.

If it was demonstrable then someone could link to a study showing a correlation.

(02-18-2013 05:05 PM)FIU4Ever Wrote:  

(02-18-2013 11:57 AM)GoApps70 Wrote:  

(02-17-2013 12:32 PM)untgeorge Wrote:  

(02-15-2013 03:51 AM)TOPPERSonTOP Wrote:  This new BE tv rights deal from NBC can do one of three things for wku (and other SBC members ready to move).

1) Disprove the Market theory.

If the Catholic 7 has the TV deal the media thinks they have, their TV deal produces twice as much revenue per school as does the nBE deal. It appears the TV guys are willing to pay that much based not only on markets, but on their years of experience with those schools in those markets.

The "market theory" is not a theory, it is a demonstrable fact, at least as to major markets.

Not a demonstrable fact at all. In fact not even a true fact.[/u][/size] Schools do not have to be located in a major market to have plenty of fans.

Deep dude, deep.

If, for some unknown reason, you still think that it is a valid proven strategy that works then please proceed to prove it to us. You will not be able to since it is not a viable strategy.

(02-18-2013 01:26 PM)untgeorge Wrote:  

(02-18-2013 01:09 PM)Crump1 Wrote:  

(02-18-2013 11:57 AM)GoApps70 Wrote:  

(02-17-2013 12:32 PM)untgeorge Wrote:  

(02-15-2013 03:51 AM)TOPPERSonTOP Wrote:  This new BE tv rights deal from NBC can do one of three things for wku (and other SBC members ready to move).

1) Disprove the Market theory.

If the Catholic 7 has the TV deal the media thinks they have, their TV deal produces twice as much revenue per school as does the nBE deal. It appears the TV guys are willing to pay that much based not only on markets, but on their years of experience with those schools in those markets.

The "market theory" is not a theory, it is a demonstrable fact, at least as to major markets.

Not a demonstrable fact at all. In fact not even a true fact. Schools do not have to be located in a major market to have plenty of fans.

If it was demonstrable then someone could link to a study showing a correlation.

Apparently ESPN and the other networks have not shared their information.

For a TV deal, it ain't the number of fans that count. It ain't even the number of alums. It is the number of TVs, and the number of TVs is what drives advertising dollars, which is what drives the TV contracts.
As to number of fans, the Catholic 7 are bringing in 15,000 or so per game. That number alone will not drive a TV contract. But they are in NYC, Washington, Philadelphia, Chicago and Milwaukee, big TV markets. And since the networks already know from experience that TV coverage of these schools produces viewers and advertising dollars.

Apparently there is a belief that companies like ESPN, who have done this for decades and have made billions of dollars doing it, don't know what they are doing. Hmmmm.

They havem't made billions of dollars airing games involving mid-majors in large cities. THey've made billions on pro sports and college teams that are perceived as winners, like those in the SEC, Big 12, etc. We all know well that the theory is that simply having more TVs in a certain radius will eventually turn into something. THe theory that even though people are too busy to drive a few miles to see the local team play, they will watch if it that team happens to be on TV on Thursday night.

It isn't a proven theory but for TV execs, they are not risking a whole lot of cash compared to what they spend on the big boy leagues and pros so theories are worth a shot.

It should be easy to prove. They have things called TV ratings and those ratings could be compared to prove whether teams in large markets draw better ratings than smaller market teams on equal footing on the field.

(02-18-2013 01:26 PM)untgeorge Wrote:  

(02-18-2013 01:09 PM)Crump1 Wrote:  

(02-18-2013 11:57 AM)GoApps70 Wrote:  

(02-17-2013 12:32 PM)untgeorge Wrote:  

(02-15-2013 03:51 AM)TOPPERSonTOP Wrote:  This new BE tv rights deal from NBC can do one of three things for wku (and other SBC members ready to move).

1) Disprove the Market theory.

If the Catholic 7 has the TV deal the media thinks they have, their TV deal produces twice as much revenue per school as does the nBE deal. It appears the TV guys are willing to pay that much based not only on markets, but on their years of experience with those schools in those markets.

The "market theory" is not a theory, it is a demonstrable fact, at least as to major markets.

Not a demonstrable fact at all. In fact not even a true fact. Schools do not have to be located in a major market to have plenty of fans.

If it was demonstrable then someone could link to a study showing a correlation.

Apparently ESPN and the other networks have not shared their information.

For a TV deal, it ain't the number of fans that count. It ain't even the number of alums. It is the number of TVs, and the number of TVs is what drives advertising dollars, which is what drives the TV contracts.
As to number of fans, the Catholic 7 are bringing in 15,000 or so per game. That number alone will not drive a TV contract. But they are in NYC, Washington, Philadelphia, Chicago and Milwaukee, big TV markets. And since the networks already know from experience that TV coverage of these schools produces viewers and advertising dollars.

Apparently there is a belief that companies like ESPN, who have done this for decades and have made billions of dollars doing it, don't know what they are doing. Hmmmm.

the number of TV's is not what counts. it is the ratings, share and total VIEWERS (YES VIEWERS) who advertisers want. If total TV's was all that mattered, Paid Programing at 4 in the morning would be SUPER EXPENSIVE. They have the whole nation. But since there are very view VIEWERS up at that hour, it now becomes less expensive. see how this works?

There are college fans who (not you in particular) do not understand the first thing about advertising/marketing/TV/etc. and talk endlessly about what is going on. Continually reference their contacts, and sources, etc. which are probably just comments on other threads. Again that is in no way directed at you. I feel you have a understanding of the system, just not the implications

(02-16-2013 09:46 AM)KAjunRaider Wrote:  Our move to Coosa is already paying off.

Donations up big time. Some big announcements coming soon.

Which is what I have said repeatedly despite some people attempting to create an alternate reality where I'm an evil troll who is supposedly trashing all the departees.

It's a chance to re-invent the program and create excitement.

(02-18-2013 10:53 AM)Crump1 Wrote:  The idea that you have to recruit any given state is antiquated. You have to target areas that are talent heavy but as long as you find an area and develop relationships there you can get the players needed to win consistently.

And there is a belief you have to play regularly in a state to get recruits.

Nothern Illinois had played zero games in Florida the past five years until the Orange Bowl. Yet they had 11 Florida kids on their roster.

Kent State has never played a game in Arkansas yet their starting QB was from Arkansas.

Coach Mac signed a kid to Iowa State that we wanted from just north of Jonesboro but they hadn't played anyone from Arkansas.