Not really. There are rules about coach involvement...just like HS in Ohio. But player organized workouts are wide open.

How many years in a row do we have to repeat this thread?

Whit played college baseball, maybe he will be looking for more than just keeping the program clean and graduating players.

He hired Tuberville.

What is the point of having that great stadium if there is no desire to put a winning program in it?

Watch how UC gets its butt kicked in our new southern-centric NBE.

(02-21-2013 10:07 PM)bearcatfan Wrote:  How many years in a row do we have to repeat this thread?

Whit played college baseball, maybe he will be looking for more than just keeping the program clean and graduating players.

He hired Tuberville.

What is the point of having that great stadium if there is no desire to put a winning program in it?

There is a desire to put a winning program. There is no money for scholarships and the good players are not going to come here and have to pay there own way to play. Why the hell should they?

Same damned argument, same damned people, year after year after year. Same questions. Same answers. Give it a break. Go fund a scholarship, if you can.

(02-21-2013 10:06 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Not really. There are rules about coach involvement...just like HS in Ohio. But player organized workouts are wide open.

Come on Rath - the NCAA governs number of fall practices and when spring practice can start. Winter is devoted to strength and conditioning and the NCAA govern how many coach run practices (one on one sessions, etc.) during winter workouts. they did this in an attempt to make the weather be not such a dtermining factor against the northern teams.

Yes players can work out on their own but really how effective is that really - they are college kids now. Ever been around college baseball players on a college campus? They are not pros.

If you have watched the southern teasm play most play a different level than northern teams - speed, defense and pitching vs power hitting. Why - lack of pitching in the northern teams and the spring winds blowing out.

(02-21-2013 10:11 PM)ctipton Wrote:  

(02-21-2013 10:07 PM)bearcatfan Wrote:  How many years in a row do we have to repeat this thread?

Whit played college baseball, maybe he will be looking for more than just keeping the program clean and graduating players.

He hired Tuberville.

What is the point of having that great stadium if there is no desire to put a winning program in it?

There is a desire to put a winning program. There is no money for scholarships and the good players are not going to come here and have to pay there own way to play. Why the hell should they?

Same damned argument, same damned people, year after year after year. Same questions. Same answers. Give it a break. Go fund a scholarship, if you can.

If you know college baseball you know that most players fund a portion of thier education everywhere. Not an excuse. In fact you could argue that players that could be difference makers at UC on southern teams probably fund more of their education and get less playing time than they woudl at UC becasu ethey could get a bigger % of their cost funded on schollie. Better the player -= higher schollie money.

(02-21-2013 10:04 PM)ruffles Wrote:  

(02-21-2013 10:02 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Which we have had a handful of. Backwater schools in the south are dang near year-round.

Indoor is just not the same no matter he great it is. It hamstrings teams that are not flush with talent.

Doesn't college baseball have rules governing fall practices ( which northern schools get great weather for and when spring practice can begin across the country in an attempt to even up the weather benefit to southern schools?

They have tried to even things up, but it hasn't really worked. Hell, that is why the baseball RPI formula changed this season.

(02-21-2013 10:18 PM)subflea Wrote:  

(02-21-2013 10:04 PM)ruffles Wrote:  

(02-21-2013 10:02 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Which we have had a handful of. Backwater schools in the south are dang near year-round.

Indoor is just not the same no matter he great it is. It hamstrings teams that are not flush with talent.

Doesn't college baseball have rules governing fall practices ( which northern schools get great weather for and when spring practice can begin across the country in an attempt to even up the weather benefit to southern schools?

They have tried to even things up, but it hasn't really worked. Hell, that is why the baseball RPI formula changed this season.

They changed the RPI to try to get major teams to play more road games. Except for those with field turf northern schools still play the first month on the road. How can you say it hasn't worked? Look at how the northern schools have done in the NCAA toornament. Northern schools hosting regionals and going to the World Series. Kent State made it why can't UC?

(02-21-2013 10:14 PM)ruffles Wrote:  

(02-21-2013 10:06 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Not really. There are rules about coach involvement...just like HS in Ohio. But player organized workouts are wide open.

Come on Rath - the NCAA governs number of fall practices and when spring practice can start. Winter is devoted to strength and conditioning and the NCAA govern how many coach run practices (one on one sessions, etc.) during winter workouts. they did this in an attempt to make the weather be not such a dtermining factor against the northern teams.

Yes players can work out on their own but really how effective is that really - they are college kids now. Ever been around college baseball players on a college campus? They are not pros.

If you have watched the southern teasm play most play a different level than northern teams - speed, defense and pitching vs power hitting. Why - lack of pitching in the northern teams and the spring winds blowing out.

If you don't understand the player workout programs in the south you are missing the boat completely. And BTW the coaches are there watching, just not participating.

Weather is definitely a huge deal. Silly to think otherwise. Ask Florida whomever who UC just got swept by. Those kids have been at it hard outdoors for months.

BTW, much like last year when I said the discussion about replacing Cleary was pointless because he would not be losing his job, the same applies this year. He is not on the hot seat and will be returning for the 2014 season even if the record is poor.

(02-21-2013 10:22 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(02-21-2013 10:14 PM)ruffles Wrote:  

(02-21-2013 10:06 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Not really. There are rules about coach involvement...just like HS in Ohio. But player organized workouts are wide open.

Come on Rath - the NCAA governs number of fall practices and when spring practice can start. Winter is devoted to strength and conditioning and the NCAA govern how many coach run practices (one on one sessions, etc.) during winter workouts. they did this in an attempt to make the weather be not such a dtermining factor against the northern teams.

Yes players can work out on their own but really how effective is that really - they are college kids now. Ever been around college baseball players on a college campus? They are not pros.

If you have watched the southern teasm play most play a different level than northern teams - speed, defense and pitching vs power hitting. Why - lack of pitching in the northern teams and the spring winds blowing out.

If you don't understand the player workout programs in the south you are missing the boat completely. And BTW the coaches are there watching, just not participating.

Weather is definitely a huge deal. Silly to think otherwise. Ask Florida whomever who UC just got swept by. Those kids have been at it hard outdoors for months.

OK - how many guys do you know that played at southern schools vs knowing what they do at northern schools. Do you know the NCAA rules for fall, winter and spring practice?

(02-21-2013 10:22 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(02-21-2013 10:14 PM)ruffles Wrote:  

(02-21-2013 10:06 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Not really. There are rules about coach involvement...just like HS in Ohio. But player organized workouts are wide open.

Come on Rath - the NCAA governs number of fall practices and when spring practice can start. Winter is devoted to strength and conditioning and the NCAA govern how many coach run practices (one on one sessions, etc.) during winter workouts. they did this in an attempt to make the weather be not such a dtermining factor against the northern teams.

Yes players can work out on their own but really how effective is that really - they are college kids now. Ever been around college baseball players on a college campus? They are not pros.

If you have watched the southern teasm play most play a different level than northern teams - speed, defense and pitching vs power hitting. Why - lack of pitching in the northern teams and the spring winds blowing out.

If you don't understand the player workout programs in the south you are missing the boat completely. And BTW the coaches are there watching, just not participating.

Weather is definitely a huge deal. Silly to think otherwise. Ask Florida whomever who UC just got swept by. Those kids have been at it hard outdoors for months.

I understand them completely...firsthand. No question southern schools have an advantage.

But if you think that UC's performance is related to this alone, you are fooling yourself. Oregon State has terrible conditions and practices inside much of the off-season. 2 recent national titles.

Kent State has as bad or worse situation than UC....much better results.

Washington State...worse situation in nearly every way...better results.

St. Johns, UConn, Purdue, etc... all the same or worse conditions. Much better results.

I don't think anyone is expecting top-20 results...but this is getting ridiculous. UC can do better. Time to do it.

(02-21-2013 10:21 PM)ruffles Wrote:  They changed the RPI to try to get major teams to play more road games. Except for those with field turf northern schools still play the first month on the road. How can you say it hasn't worked? Look at how the northern schools have done in the NCAA toornament. Northern schools hosting regionals and going to the World Series. Kent State made it why can't UC?

One of the major reasons it was done is so that northern teams forced to play on the road would not be hurt as much by losing those early season games in the south. It was a way to even the field come selection time and for seeding.

(02-21-2013 10:27 PM)ruffles Wrote:  

(02-21-2013 10:22 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(02-21-2013 10:14 PM)ruffles Wrote:  

(02-21-2013 10:06 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Not really. There are rules about coach involvement...just like HS in Ohio. But player organized workouts are wide open.

Come on Rath - the NCAA governs number of fall practices and when spring practice can start. Winter is devoted to strength and conditioning and the NCAA govern how many coach run practices (one on one sessions, etc.) during winter workouts. they did this in an attempt to make the weather be not such a dtermining factor against the northern teams.

Yes players can work out on their own but really how effective is that really - they are college kids now. Ever been around college baseball players on a college campus? They are not pros.

If you have watched the southern teasm play most play a different level than northern teams - speed, defense and pitching vs power hitting. Why - lack of pitching in the northern teams and the spring winds blowing out.

If you don't understand the player workout programs in the south you are missing the boat completely. And BTW the coaches are there watching, just not participating.

Weather is definitely a huge deal. Silly to think otherwise. Ask Florida whomever who UC just got swept by. Those kids have been at it hard outdoors for months.

OK - how many guys do you know that played at southern schools vs knowing what they do at northern schools. Do you know the NCAA rules for fall, winter and spring practice?

Yes!

Know them all well. Practice rules are NOT a good excuse for UC's abysmal performance on the field.

(02-21-2013 10:25 PM)subflea Wrote:  BTW, much like last year when I said the discussion about replacing Cleary was pointless because he would not be losing his job, the same applies this year. He is not on the hot seat and will be returning for the 2014 season even if the record is poor.

Doesn't matter - it doesn't change some of us wanting a competitive program. I don't care if it is cheap and they sell beer I want to watch good high quality baseball play. Cleary doens't consitently pput a quality team on the field. that is the issue.

(02-21-2013 10:30 PM)tdbearcat Wrote:  

(02-21-2013 10:27 PM)ruffles Wrote:  

(02-21-2013 10:22 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  

(02-21-2013 10:14 PM)ruffles Wrote:  

(02-21-2013 10:06 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Not really. There are rules about coach involvement...just like HS in Ohio. But player organized workouts are wide open.

Come on Rath - the NCAA governs number of fall practices and when spring practice can start. Winter is devoted to strength and conditioning and the NCAA govern how many coach run practices (one on one sessions, etc.) during winter workouts. they did this in an attempt to make the weather be not such a dtermining factor against the northern teams.

Yes players can work out on their own but really how effective is that really - they are college kids now. Ever been around college baseball players on a college campus? They are not pros.

If you have watched the southern teasm play most play a different level than northern teams - speed, defense and pitching vs power hitting. Why - lack of pitching in the northern teams and the spring winds blowing out.

If you don't understand the player workout programs in the south you are missing the boat completely. And BTW the coaches are there watching, just not participating.

Weather is definitely a huge deal. Silly to think otherwise. Ask Florida whomever who UC just got swept by. Those kids have been at it hard outdoors for months.

OK - how many guys do you know that played at southern schools vs knowing what they do at northern schools. Do you know the NCAA rules for fall, winter and spring practice?

Yes!

Know them all well. Practice rules are NOT a good excuse for UC's abysmal performance on the field.

Thank you I do too and I agree!

This is the same argument from Ruffles, every single year, ad infinitum, ad nauseum.

(02-21-2013 10:33 PM)ctipton Wrote:  This is the same argument from Ruffles, every single year, ad infinitum, ad nauseum.

Does the truth hurt? Cause he's right!

(02-21-2013 10:30 PM)subflea Wrote:  

(02-21-2013 10:21 PM)ruffles Wrote:  They changed the RPI to try to get major teams to play more road games. Except for those with field turf northern schools still play the first month on the road. How can you say it hasn't worked? Look at how the northern schools have done in the NCAA toornament. Northern schools hosting regionals and going to the World Series. Kent State made it why can't UC?

One of the major reasons it was done is so that northern teams forced to play on the road would not be hurt as much by losing those early season games in the south. It was a way to even the field come selection time and for seeding.

The major reason is to reward teams for winning on the road. Some southern programs used to play their first month at home. The Big East/Big 10 challenge allows for northern schools to travel south to play in good weather and play other nothern teams - great idea. Only Big 10 team to win a series last weekend played in the BE/Big 10 challenge.

(02-21-2013 10:31 PM)ruffles Wrote:  

(02-21-2013 10:25 PM)subflea Wrote:  BTW, much like last year when I said the discussion about replacing Cleary was pointless because he would not be losing his job, the same applies this year. He is not on the hot seat and will be returning for the 2014 season even if the record is poor.

Doesn't matter - it doesn't change some of us wanting a competitive program. I don't care if it is cheap and they sell beer I want to watch good high quality baseball play. Cleary doens't consitently pput a quality team on the field. that is the issue.

Then propose a realistic solution (one that does not involve hiring a new coach since that is not realistic) to the the problem.