RE: Does the ACC need to act before realignment starts again?
(02-16-2013 12:58 PM)BJUnklFkr Wrote: Funnier than hell seeing a Syracuse fan rip on the aluevof UC/UConn. FSU, UNC, GT, VT, etc., I could understand.
Its not a stretch that Syracuse offers more value to a conference than either uconn and Cinci. The fact that both schools are still stuck in the BE makes that pretty clear.
RE: Does the ACC need to act before realignment starts again?
(02-16-2013 12:58 PM)BJUnklFkr Wrote: Funnier than hell seeing a Syracuse fan rip on the value of UC/UConn. FSU, UNC, GT, VT, etc., I could understand.
Syracuse alone outweighs Cincinnati and UConn combined. If you didn't hear, the Big East's (that is, Cincinnati and UConn and 8 others) new TV contract pays a measly $2 million per team. That's how much the networks value your programs.
RE: Does the ACC need to act before realignment starts again?
(02-17-2013 04:12 AM)nzmorange Wrote:
(02-16-2013 12:58 PM)BJUnklFkr Wrote: Funnier than hell seeing a Syracuse fan rip on the value of UC/UConn. FSU, UNC, GT, VT, etc., I could understand.
Going by athletic budgets, according to the DOE, Syracuse would be 5th out of the current ACC + Syracuse, and that's with BIG EAST TV revenue, BIG EAST post season revenue, and a BIG EAST schedule. Add $5,000,000 to account for the difference, and we are #2 behind FSU. Add $10 million to account for the difference, and we are #1 by a couple million.
Also, we are substantially ahead of GT and VT as is.
UC and UCONN make about $100,000,000* per year combined. SU makes about $75,000,000* per year by itself, and that's coming out of a down decade in football. Don't get me wrong, UC has had great football teams during the last decade and has won on the field, but SU is MUCH more valuable. And, if SU can get back to winning again, like we did in the 80's/90's, then the difference will grow even larger.
However, if you disagree, make your case.
*I rounded to the nearest $5,000,000.
Not at all... your post makes sense. My valuation, as a fan, is strictly in terms of wins and losses. I realize money is more important in these decisions.
(This post was last modified: 02-17-2013 12:46 PM by Ring of Black.)
RE: Does the ACC need to act before realignment starts again?
(02-17-2013 11:40 AM)BJUnklFkr Wrote:
(02-17-2013 04:12 AM)nzmorange Wrote:
(02-16-2013 12:58 PM)BJUnklFkr Wrote: Funnier than hell seeing a Syracuse fan rip on the value of UC/UConn. FSU, UNC, GT, VT, etc., I could understand.
Going by athletic budgets, according to the DOE, Syracuse would be 5th out of the current ACC + Syracuse, and that's with BIG EAST TV revenue, BIG EAST post season revenue, and a BIG EAST schedule. Add $5,000,000 to account for the difference, and we are #2 behind FSU. Add $10 million to account for the difference, and we are #1 by a couple million.
Also, we are substantially ahead of GT and VT as is.
UC and UCONN make about $100,000,000* per year combined. SU makes about $75,000,000* per year by itself, and that's coming out of a down decade in football. Don't get me wrong, UC has had great football teams during the last decade and has won on the field, but SU is MUCH more valuable. And, if SU can get back to winning again, like we did in the 80's/90's, then the difference will grow even larger.
However, if you disagree, make your case.
*I rounded to the nearest $5,000,000.
Not at all... your post makes sense. My valuation, as a fan, is strictly in terms of wins and losses. I realize money is more important in these decisions.
Yep. Despite the revenue disparity UC has kicked sand in the face of Syracuse eight out of the last nine times we have played in football (many times by multiple scores). Imagine what UC would do if they get move revenue from facility enhancements and a better television deal.
P.S. Cuse fans shouldn't feel bad. UC has taken four out of the last five from Pitt and four out of the last five from Louisville too (30-21-1 all time).
RE: Does the ACC need to act before realignment starts again?
(02-17-2013 01:53 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:
(02-17-2013 11:40 AM)BJUnklFkr Wrote:
(02-17-2013 04:12 AM)nzmorange Wrote:
(02-16-2013 12:58 PM)BJUnklFkr Wrote: Funnier than hell seeing a Syracuse fan rip on the value of UC/UConn. FSU, UNC, GT, VT, etc., I could understand.
Going by athletic budgets, according to the DOE, Syracuse would be 5th out of the current ACC + Syracuse, and that's with BIG EAST TV revenue, BIG EAST post season revenue, and a BIG EAST schedule. Add $5,000,000 to account for the difference, and we are #2 behind FSU. Add $10 million to account for the difference, and we are #1 by a couple million.
Also, we are substantially ahead of GT and VT as is.
UC and UCONN make about $100,000,000* per year combined. SU makes about $75,000,000* per year by itself, and that's coming out of a down decade in football. Don't get me wrong, UC has had great football teams during the last decade and has won on the field, but SU is MUCH more valuable. And, if SU can get back to winning again, like we did in the 80's/90's, then the difference will grow even larger.
However, if you disagree, make your case.
*I rounded to the nearest $5,000,000.
Not at all... your post makes sense. My valuation, as a fan, is strictly in terms of wins and losses. I realize money is more important in these decisions.
Yep. Despite the revenue disparity UC has kicked sand in the face of Syracuse eight out of the last nine times we have played in football (many times by multiple scores). Imagine what UC would do if they get move revenue from facility enhancements and a better television deal.
P.S. Cuse fans shouldn't feel bad. UC has taken four out of the last five from Pitt and foor out of the last five from Louisville too (30-21-1 all time).
Dude, there's no reason for Cuse fans to feel bad. We are not the ones whose team is still stuck in the Big East wth nowhere else to go and soon collecting $2 million per year for all sports. SU bb has dominated Cinci bb simlarly to the way that Cinci has dominated SU fb. Cuse fans dont go around braggng about beating up on Cinci bb, because, really thats the way we expect it to be.
That doesnt change the fact that Cinci athletics as a whole is inferior to Syracuse regarding markets, revenue, attendance in the revenue sports, brand, value, academics, winning traditon and conference etc...
(This post was last modified: 02-17-2013 03:02 PM by cuseroc.)
RE: Does the ACC need to act before realignment starts again?
(02-17-2013 02:51 PM)cuseroc Wrote:
(02-17-2013 01:53 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:
(02-17-2013 11:40 AM)BJUnklFkr Wrote:
(02-17-2013 04:12 AM)nzmorange Wrote:
(02-16-2013 12:58 PM)BJUnklFkr Wrote: Funnier than hell seeing a Syracuse fan rip on the value of UC/UConn. FSU, UNC, GT, VT, etc., I could understand.
Going by athletic budgets, according to the DOE, Syracuse would be 5th out of the current ACC + Syracuse, and that's with BIG EAST TV revenue, BIG EAST post season revenue, and a BIG EAST schedule. Add $5,000,000 to account for the difference, and we are #2 behind FSU. Add $10 million to account for the difference, and we are #1 by a couple million.
Also, we are substantially ahead of GT and VT as is.
UC and UCONN make about $100,000,000* per year combined. SU makes about $75,000,000* per year by itself, and that's coming out of a down decade in football. Don't get me wrong, UC has had great football teams during the last decade and has won on the field, but SU is MUCH more valuable. And, if SU can get back to winning again, like we did in the 80's/90's, then the difference will grow even larger.
However, if you disagree, make your case.
*I rounded to the nearest $5,000,000.
Not at all... your post makes sense. My valuation, as a fan, is strictly in terms of wins and losses. I realize money is more important in these decisions.
Yep. Despite the revenue disparity UC has kicked sand in the face of Syracuse eight out of the last nine times we have played in football (many times by multiple scores). Imagine what UC would do if they get move revenue from facility enhancements and a better television deal.
P.S. Cuse fans shouldn't feel bad. UC has taken four out of the last five from Pitt and foor out of the last five from Louisville too (30-21-1 all time).
Dude, there's no reason for Cuse fans to feel bad. We are not the ones whose team is still stuck in the Big East wth nowhere else to go and soon collecting $2 million per year for all sports. SU bb has dominated Cinci bb simlarly to the way that Cinci has dominated SU fb. Cuse fans dont go around braggng about beating up on Cinci bb, because, really thats the way we expect it to be.
That doesnt change the fact that Cinci athletics as a whole is inferior to Syracuse regarding markets, revenue, attendance in the revenue sports, brand, value, academics, winning traditon and conference etc...
There is no point for UC to compare itself to Syracuse. I would expect a school in the middle of nowhere with no pro sports near by to be a huge draw and have good success. Although one aspect where Syracuse definitely outdoes UC is in NCAA tournament choke jobs and UC is pretty high up there in that category...
RE: Does the ACC need to act before realignment starts again?
(02-17-2013 03:15 PM)Bearcat_Bounce Wrote:
(02-17-2013 02:51 PM)cuseroc Wrote:
(02-17-2013 01:53 PM)CliftonAve Wrote:
(02-17-2013 11:40 AM)BJUnklFkr Wrote:
(02-17-2013 04:12 AM)nzmorange Wrote: Going by athletic budgets, according to the DOE, Syracuse would be 5th out of the current ACC + Syracuse, and that's with BIG EAST TV revenue, BIG EAST post season revenue, and a BIG EAST schedule. Add $5,000,000 to account for the difference, and we are #2 behind FSU. Add $10 million to account for the difference, and we are #1 by a couple million.
Also, we are substantially ahead of GT and VT as is.
UC and UCONN make about $100,000,000* per year combined. SU makes about $75,000,000* per year by itself, and that's coming out of a down decade in football. Don't get me wrong, UC has had great football teams during the last decade and has won on the field, but SU is MUCH more valuable. And, if SU can get back to winning again, like we did in the 80's/90's, then the difference will grow even larger.
However, if you disagree, make your case.
*I rounded to the nearest $5,000,000.
Not at all... your post makes sense. My valuation, as a fan, is strictly in terms of wins and losses. I realize money is more important in these decisions.
Yep. Despite the revenue disparity UC has kicked sand in the face of Syracuse eight out of the last nine times we have played in football (many times by multiple scores). Imagine what UC would do if they get move revenue from facility enhancements and a better television deal.
P.S. Cuse fans shouldn't feel bad. UC has taken four out of the last five from Pitt and foor out of the last five from Louisville too (30-21-1 all time).
Dude, there's no reason for Cuse fans to feel bad. We are not the ones whose team is still stuck in the Big East wth nowhere else to go and soon collecting $2 million per year for all sports. SU bb has dominated Cinci bb simlarly to the way that Cinci has dominated SU fb. Cuse fans dont go around braggng about beating up on Cinci bb, because, really thats the way we expect it to be.
That doesnt change the fact that Cinci athletics as a whole is inferior to Syracuse regarding markets, revenue, attendance in the revenue sports, brand, value, academics, winning traditon and conference etc...
There is no point for UC to compare itself to Syracuse. I would expect a school in the middle of nowhere with no pro sports near by to be a huge draw and have good success. Although one aspect where Syracuse definitely outdoes UC is in NCAA tournament choke jobs and UC is pretty high up there in that category...
Upstate NY is very similar to Ohio. You have some big cities and you have some areas that are sprsely populated. There are about 1 million people within a 40 mile radius of Syracuse.
Syracuse has a lot more NCAA Tourney wins than Cincy.
BTW; Gerry McNammarra says hi.
(This post was last modified: 02-17-2013 04:03 PM by cuseroc.)
RE: Does the ACC need to act before realignment starts again?
(02-17-2013 04:06 PM)Bearcat_Bounce Wrote:
(02-17-2013 03:28 PM)OrangeCrush22 Wrote:
G*d, I'll miss the rivalries of the BIG EAST. Say what you will about football, but the fans of the BIG EAST had passion for basketball was unmatched. Hopefully that will carryover into the ACC.
Now back to the point...
Yes, SU had Vermont. But for every Vermont, SU has had multiple great tourney games (for instance, see '96). Anyway, most of our chokes were the result of being down important players and losing to great teams (i.e. when we lost to tourney runner-up, Butler when we were down AO).
RE: SU-Cincy smack [split] Does the ACC need to act before realignment starts again?
I would not mind Cincy in the ACC. They have some passion and fight in them. However, they don't have the long term name in football (Louisville has been building up football longer) which hinders them gaining access. In my opinion, they owuld be a better long term addition than UConn.
Regardless, nothing happens unless ND makes a move.
RE: SU-Cincy smack [split] Does the ACC need to act before realignment starts again?
(02-18-2013 10:53 AM)HtownOrange Wrote: I would not mind Cincy in the ACC. They have some passion and fight in them. However, they don't have the long term name in football (Louisville has been building up football longer) which hinders them gaining access. In my opinion, they owuld be a better long term addition than UConn.
Regardless, nothing happens unless ND makes a move.
I agree. I have been a supporter of Cincy to the Acc, even over Uconn.
RE: SU-Cincy smack [split] Does the ACC need to act before realignment starts again?
(02-17-2013 10:21 PM)BJUnklFkr Wrote: I should have known I would start a sh!tstorm. My bad Cuseroc and NMZ. Gocards#1 I could care less about
Carry on in the other thread.
No problem Beej. It was actually fun. Thats what I enjoyed about the Old BE board. You could actually get into some good natured smack with no bad feelings. I wish more folks on the Acc Board werent so uptight. The BE board is not even close to what it used to be.
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