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(02-20-2013 10:05 AM)thegeneral Wrote:  

(02-20-2013 09:36 AM)acer1 Wrote:  You don't shoot 70% from the arc and not be talented.

Talented teams also do not score 4 points in a half and shoot 25% in 2 point FGs and 3% in 3 point FGs.

NIU ranks:
* 332 of 347 in 2 point FG%
* 346 of 347 in 3 point FG%
* 248 of 347 in FG %

They are not a good shooting team. I contend they just got "lucky" vs WMU.

This. Large sample sizes have meaning in determining actual talent. Small sample sizes do not. They got lucky in the first half and regressed to their actual talent level in the second.

So NIU is talented now huh? I'd say they got hot. Our slow soft D had a lot to do with that until they turned it up. For a guy who is so observant of what the coaches are wearing, I'd expect more from you.

(02-20-2013 10:05 AM)thegeneral Wrote:  

(02-20-2013 09:36 AM)acer1 Wrote:  You don't shoot 70% from the arc and not be talented.

Talented teams also do not score 4 points in a half and shoot 25% in 2 point FGs and 3% in 3 point FGs.

NIU ranks:
* 332 of 347 in 2 point FG%
* 346 of 347 in 3 point FG%
* 248 of 347 in FG %

They are not a good shooting team. I contend they just got "lucky" vs WMU.

They hit 4 three pointers in the first half with a hand in their face and good defense.

That's something NIU hasn't done with consistency all season. Over the course of 30 games, even the worst shooting teams get hot.

Sometimes you just tip your cap to the opposition. Without those shots, its a completely different ball game and final score.

Play defense with your feet, hands in faces is overrated.

(02-20-2013 10:28 AM)DesertBronco Wrote:  Play defense with your feet, hands in faces is overrated.

All four instances had a Bronco defender in front of the NIU player...in a good defensive stance. The hand went up after the player left their feet.

Check out the replay...we played good defense on those 3 pointers. They just hit tough shots.

They were good looks and they were made, I watched the first half twice, the defense was soft and they weren't there. Quit putting lipstick on a pig. They turned it up in the second half and should get credit for that. Especially denial type defense.

Quote:They are not a good shooting team. I contend they just got "lucky" vs WMU.

Hmmmmm.

Just like Kent.

The Broncos have the darndest luck.

(02-20-2013 11:33 AM)DesertBronco Wrote:  They were good looks and they were made, I watched the first half twice, the defense was soft and they weren't there. Quit putting lipstick on a pig. They turned it up in the second half and should get credit for that. Especially denial type defense.

I said nothing of the second half...nor did I put any lipstick on any pig.

I've stated multiple times since Saturday that they drove at will on us and exposed our lack of quickness.

I don't know what game film you are watching...but here you go...from ESPN's replay.

9:21 left in the first half. Aksel Bolin 3 pointer, assisted by Travon Baker. Hutcheson closed on Bolin after he was in the lane and was caught looking at the opposite wing with the ball. Bad defense.

7:11 left in the first half. JJ Cravatta 3 pointer, assisted by Daveon Balls. The ran a set play and picked our man. Result was an open 3. Tava switched, Hutch got double picked trying to get through. When Tava switched, they picked Pokely and rolled Cravatta behind where Hutch was getting picked. That's not bad defense. NIU executed very well and considering Tava switched to guard Nader, their best offensive weapon, there isn't much you can do on that play.

5:48 left in the first half. Daveon Ball 3 pointer. Shot clock winding down, Richie was playing good defense right in front of him.

3:58 left in the first half. Bolin made 3 pointer. Assist from Travon Baker after he drove the lane. Hutch was in good defensive position. Single digits left on the shot clock.

48 seconds left in the first half. Balls made 3 pointer. Shot was at 5. he pulls up with Hutch on him playing good defense.


Again...NIU is/was not a good shooting team. At some point you tip your cap to them because they hit 3 three pointers as the shot clock was winding down and they executed a set play on a sideline out of bounds play. The last three shots were not "good" shots. They were attempted and subsequently made because we played good defense and they were forced to take a shot with single digits on the shot clock. I'll roll the dice and take my chances giving them looks like that all game.

Maybe you should watch it a third time.

Maybe you should learn to be objective, if that defense was so money, those looks wouldn't have been there, let alone the attempt be made for the shot.

(02-20-2013 12:17 PM)ESSSS Wrote:  

Quote:They are not a good shooting team. I contend they just got "lucky" vs WMU.

Hmmmmm.

Just like Kent.

The Broncos have the darndest luck.

WMU is the 40th "luckiest" team in the country (and the luckiest in the MAC). Where "luck" is defined as difference in actual winning percentage compared to expected winning percentage. Expected winning percentage is computed based on a team's offensive and defensive efficiency.

(02-20-2013 12:55 PM)DesertBronco Wrote:  Maybe you should learn to be objective, if that defense was so money, those looks wouldn't have been there, let alone the attempt be made for the shot.

Disagree completely.

I think I've been pretty objective when I said that NIU exposed our weakness and penetrated at will during the first half. ie-we are slow and flat footed on the perimeter. Would you like to read the thread again...or my review post on the game thread?

They shoot 28% from three range on the year and are in the bottom 75 or so in shooting. When the shot clock is winding down, you don't body up an inferior shooting team beyond the 3 point line. It's too risky because 1. you may foul them and 2. it's easier for them to penetrate around your defense.

Going into a game like NIU, it's real simple, keep their wings and guards in front of you because they CAN'T beat you by shooting 3 pointers as the shot clock winds down.

What was more deadly...the 15 points they scored off 3's in the first half, or the 22 points they scored off driving into the lane and hitting layups or getting fouled?

When you learn defense is much more that "good posture and hands in the face" we can talk, until then...

(02-20-2013 01:14 PM)DesertBronco Wrote:  When you learn defense is much more that "good posture and hands in the face" we can talk, until then...

So you want to ignore the good defense that was played during the 3 possessions that forced NIU to take pull up 3 pointers with a hand in their face?

You are right...we shouldn't talk.

Keep spinning.

Again, "hand in the face" does not necessarily equate good defense. Why is that so hard for you to grasp? Because I'm saying it and not someone else?

(02-20-2013 01:53 PM)DesertBronco Wrote:  Again, "hand in the face" does not necessarily equate good defense. Why is that so hard for you to grasp? Because I'm saying it and not someone else?

He didn't just have a hand in his face. All three times our defender was in front of him playing good defense. We extended the hand in the face after the shooter elevated. These weren't wide open looks that had defensive break downs. Only the first one can be attributed to that.

Better yet, why don't YOU ask someone else how our defense was? Specifically on the 5 three pointers they hit in the first half.

If someone other than you thinks we played bad defense, specifically on the last 3 three pointers made in the first half, please, feel free to speak up.

Better yet, throw in an analysis of what our defenders did wrong.

I guess good defense is not letting them shoot, right DB.

Always proud to be a Bronco.

It wasn't just easy looks at threes, their guards were doing what Kent and BSU did to us. Coming off high screens and turning the corner for easy looks in the lane. Face it our guards are not quick, and teams are exploiting that.

(02-20-2013 02:41 PM)Chipdip Wrote:  It wasn't just easy looks at threes, their guards were doing what Kent and BSU did to us. Coming off high screens and turning the corner for easy looks in the lane. Face it our guards are not quick, and teams are exploiting that.

I agree with that. The difference is that we aren't talking about NIU's dribble penetration...which WMU struggles with and is a known fact.

(02-20-2013 01:53 PM)DesertBronco Wrote:  Again, "hand in the face" does not necessarily equate good defense. Why is that so hard for you to grasp? Because I'm saying it and not someone else?

I hope an antiquity character shows up heading into the long offseason.

(02-20-2013 02:41 PM)Chipdip Wrote:  It wasn't just easy looks at threes, their guards were doing what Kent and BSU did to us. Coming off high screens and turning the corner for easy looks in the lane. Face it our guards are not quick, and teams are exploiting that.

We go under 99% of the time, makes it easy to get the feet set and cozy. All the hand waving in the world can't mitigate being late.