(02-17-2013 01:53 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(02-17-2013 01:04 PM)Bearcat_Bounce Wrote:  

(02-17-2013 01:01 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(02-17-2013 10:03 AM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  

(02-17-2013 09:55 AM)Louis Kitton Wrote:  Yes because St. Louis is a city on the border of Illinois and not that far from Chicago or Indianapolis.

It sounds like the A10 will lose 5 schools to C7. The A10 may add 5 schools though from the CAA (George Mason, JMU, Delaware, Towson, Northeastern) as a response.

That would leave the CAA with W&M, Drexel, UNC-Wilmington and Hofstra....or in other words DOA.

The A10 and C7 should just merge at this point under the A10 umbrella. Perhaps cut some teams loose but the level of basketball will be pretty much the same.

I'm intrigued by a St Johns and St. Josephs rivalry.

There is absolutely no reason to create a new brand. I've seen a lot of A10 basketball in my time and the C7 will fit right in.

wow, can you be any more of an ass?

Can't you moderators BAN him from the C7 board? I don't think he'd be missed here.

Only if Redboy and Johnny are banned from the BE board...

Sounds like an attractive offer, actually.....

Sounds good to me too.

I'm very skeptical about this article, especially the Siena and Detroit speculation. Neither make any sense. The travel issue for olympic sports and Creighton is kinda plausible, though I'm still skeptical about that one as well. That said, I think people tend to underestimate how much C7 members currently structure olympic sports schedules to avoid plane travel. Villanova baseball will play the following BE teams this year, GU, SHU, RU, UConn, Pitt, UL and ND. The last two opponents and the BE championship are the only conference games where VU will get on a plane. The non-con, other than an early season trip to Florida, is also a bus schedule. VU's schedule is similar in other olympic sports such as soccer. They had two games all season that required plane travel. In short, concerns about travel expenses are a legitimate issue. I still have a hard time believing that those concerns would keep Creighton out of the conference, but there is no denying that Creighton is a major geographic outlier. SLU would be the only C7 member less than 450 miles from Omaha and even SLU at 431 miles is a long bus ride away.

(02-17-2013 01:56 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(02-17-2013 01:53 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(02-17-2013 01:04 PM)Bearcat_Bounce Wrote:  

(02-17-2013 01:01 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(02-17-2013 10:03 AM)BigEastHomer Wrote:  The A10 and C7 should just merge at this point under the A10 umbrella. Perhaps cut some teams loose but the level of basketball will be pretty much the same.

I'm intrigued by a St Johns and St. Josephs rivalry.

There is absolutely no reason to create a new brand. I've seen a lot of A10 basketball in my time and the C7 will fit right in.

wow, can you be any more of an ass?

Can't you moderators BAN him from the C7 board? I don't think he'd be missed here.

Only if Redboy and Johnny are banned from the BE board...

Sounds like an attractive offer, actually.....

Sounds good to me too.

The next thread titled: "LOLOL WE KEEP THE NAME, C7 CAN SUX IT" on the BE board, will be a true test of your will...

(02-17-2013 01:57 PM)LostInSpace Wrote:  I'm very skeptical about this article, especially the Siena and Detroit speculation. Neither make any sense. The travel issue for olympic sports and Creighton is kinda plausible, though I'm still skeptical about that one as well. That said, I think people tend to underestimate how much C7 members currently structure olympic sports schedules to avoid plane travel. Villanova baseball will play the following BE teams this year, GU, SHU, RU, UConn, Pitt, UL and ND. The last two opponents and the BE championship are the only conference games where VU will get on a plane. The non-con, other than an early season trip to Florida, is also a bus schedule. VU's schedule is similar in other olympic sports such as soccer. They had two games all season that required plane travel. In short, concerns about travel expenses are a legitimate issue. I still have a hard time believing that those concerns would keep Creighton out of the conference, but there is no denying that Creighton is a major geographic outlier. SLU would be the only C7 member less than 450 miles from Omaha and even SLU at 431 miles is a long bus ride away.

The thing is we all know we are going further into the Midwest anyway. What's the difference between flying to milliwaukee compared to Omaha? 45 minutes? Our teams will need to fly. A bus league has never been an option with DePaul and the golden eagles already on board.

Also this guy only talks about people around DC. GTown is running everything and GM AD is the best bet for commish. Really? No Dan Gavitt or the current BE BBall associate commish whose name escapes me?

This article has all the credibility of one Lenn Robbins'. I don't think it really merits discussion

(02-17-2013 01:57 PM)LostInSpace Wrote:  I'm very skeptical about this article, especially the Siena and Detroit speculation. Neither make any sense. The travel issue for olympic sports and Creighton is kinda plausible, though I'm still skeptical about that one as well. That said, I think people tend to underestimate how much C7 members currently structure olympic sports schedules to avoid plane travel. Villanova baseball will play the following BE teams this year, GU, SHU, RU, UConn, Pitt, UL and ND. The last two opponents and the BE championship are the only conference games where VU will get on a plane. The non-con, other than an early season trip to Florida, is also a bus schedule. VU's schedule is similar in other olympic sports such as soccer. They had two games all season that required plane travel. In short, concerns about travel expenses are a legitimate issue. I still have a hard time believing that those concerns would keep Creighton out of the conference, but there is no denying that Creighton is a major geographic outlier. SLU would be the only C7 member less than 450 miles from Omaha and even SLU at 431 miles is a long bus ride away.

St Louis to/from Omaha via Southwest Airlines, multiple flights a day. Does the thought of Southwest Airlines strike fear into the hearts of the C7?

Have long stated that Creighton needs St Louis to get in for ease of non-basketball sports, but for Creighton to be eliminated because the C7 thinks in terms of bus rides is ridiculous. A bus ride on the east coast isn't in terms of miles, but hours. A flight from St Louis to Omaha is two hours from arriving at the airport to leaving Omaha's Eppley Field.

I am not very old....but damn people are a bunch of babies....

(02-17-2013 02:07 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  The thing is we all know we are going further into the Midwest anyway. What's the difference between flying to milliwaukee compared to Omaha? 45 minutes? Our teams will need to fly. A bus league has never been an option with DePaul and the golden eagles already on board.

Also this guy only talks about people around DC. GTown is running everything and GM AD is the best bet for commish. Really? No Dan Gavitt or the current BE BBall associate commish whose name escapes me?

The travel issue has nothing to do with basketball. In the C7, olympic sports will remain as bus-oriented as possible. None of the athletic departments in the C7 can afford to have their olympic teams routinely on planes. For those sports, the east coast teams will not be going further into the Midwest if they can avoid it. Though I'm skeptical that travel issues for olympic sports will keep Creighton out of the conference, I do understand completely the value of having a more compact 12 team conference in which 6 midwest teams can bus to each other in addition to a couple of flights east each season and vice versa for the east coast teams. Creighton is problematic from an olympic sports travel expense prespective because they are a busable distance from almost no one in the conference. It doesn't mean that it isn't possible to figure a way to make things work for everyone, but it's a legitimate issue.

(02-17-2013 02:26 PM)LostInSpace Wrote:  

(02-17-2013 02:07 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  The thing is we all know we are going further into the Midwest anyway. What's the difference between flying to milliwaukee compared to Omaha? 45 minutes? Our teams will need to fly. A bus league has never been an option with DePaul and the golden eagles already on board.

Also this guy only talks about people around DC. GTown is running everything and GM AD is the best bet for commish. Really? No Dan Gavitt or the current BE BBall associate commish whose name escapes me?

The travel issue has nothing to do with basketball. In the C7, olympic sports will remain as bus-oriented as possible. None of the athletic departments in the C7 can afford to have their olympic teams routinely on planes. For those sports, the east coast teams will not be going further into the Midwest if they can avoid it. Though I'm skeptical that travel issues for olympic sports will keep Creighton out of the conference, I do understand completely the value of having a more compact 12 team conference in which 6 midwest teams can bus to each other in addition to a couple of flights east each season and vice versa for the east coast teams. Creighton is problematic from an olympic sports travel expense prespective because they are a busable distance from almost no one in the conference. It doesn't mean that it isn't possible to figure a way to make things work for everyone, but it's a legitimate issue.

The thing I was saying is that no matter what we are further expanding into the Midwest. I also was talking about Olympic sports. You can't just not schedule conference mates because of distance. We were already sending teams to Ohio, Indiana, Illinois and Wisconsin. How much more is it really to fly to Omaha? Just use the money you would use to fly to Florida.

Opened for business.

we have or were going to make trips to texas, louisiana and florida without a care about travel for olympic sports Why would travel to omaha or st louis be an issue. As i pointed out before, Providence, the eastern most c7 member is actually closer to omaha than dallas, houston and miami. Orlando is only slightly closer. Travel to omaha should not be an issie at all.

Guess Feinstein should check his sources again.

Sienna's AD pretty much shot it down.

“It’s always flattering when the college’s name is put in a group of schools like that,” Siena athletic director John D’Argenio said today while attending the women’s basketball game. “But it’s just somebody that wrote an article and speculates.”

D’Argenio said Siena hasn’t been contacted by representatives from any of the Catholic 7 schools.

“Nobody’s made any outreaches or overtures, and I don’t know who they’ve made outreaches or overtures to,” D’Argenio said. “But I know it’s not us.”

http://blog.timesunion.com/collegesports...ite/15440/

Perhaps the scariest part of that article is the part no one is mentioning....the targeting of George Mason AD, Tom O'Connor, to run the league.

I can tell you as someone who follows/covers VCU, thus, the CAA for several years, that George Mason fans would LOOOOVE for the conference to take Tom O'Connor away from them. The majority of Mason fans I know (who are die hards, some even cover the team) absolutely despise the guy and think he completely wasted what momentum they got from their Final 4 run.

(02-17-2013 07:55 PM)Natty Wrote:  Perhaps the scariest part of that article is the part no one is mentioning....the targeting of George Mason AD, Tom O'Connor, to run the league.

I can tell you as someone who follows/covers VCU, thus, the CAA for several years, that George Mason fans would LOOOOVE for the conference to take Tom O'Connor away from them. The majority of Mason fans I know (who are die hards, some even cover the team) absolutely despise the guy and think he completely wasted what momentum they got from their Final 4 run.

Feinstein clearly is full of it. Dan Gavitt and our current be associate BBall commish are def in the running.

(02-17-2013 02:26 PM)LostInSpace Wrote:  The travel issue has nothing to do with basketball. In the C7, olympic sports will remain as bus-oriented as possible. None of the athletic departments in the C7 can afford to have their olympic teams routinely on planes. For those sports, the east coast teams will not be going further into the Midwest if they can avoid it. Though I'm skeptical that travel issues for olympic sports will keep Creighton out of the conference, I do understand completely the value of having a more compact 12 team conference in which 6 midwest teams can bus to each other in addition to a couple of flights east each season and vice versa for the east coast teams. Creighton is problematic from an olympic sports travel expense prespective because they are a busable distance from almost no one in the conference. It doesn't mean that it isn't possible to figure a way to make things work for everyone, but it's a legitimate issue.

Marquette has had only DePaul and ND within a 3 hour drive for conference olympic sports for over 20 years. SLU is over 5 hours away. UC and UofL nearly 6 hours away. Assuming MU even bussed to SLU, UC and UofL, every other CUSA or BE school required a flight for olympic sports. If the east coast schools want to minimize the travel cost for olympic sports, that is a reasonable position. But to say none of the schools can afford it is a bit of a stretch, since MU and DU have been dealing with the issue of travel (going to Florida, Alabama, Mississippi, Louisiana, Texas, Tennessee, North Carolina, Washington, Pennsylvania, New York, New Jersey, Connecticut, Rhode Island, West Virginia) for so long.

(02-17-2013 02:26 PM)LostInSpace Wrote:  

(02-17-2013 02:07 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  The thing is we all know we are going further into the Midwest anyway. What's the difference between flying to milliwaukee compared to Omaha? 45 minutes? Our teams will need to fly. A bus league has never been an option with DePaul and the golden eagles already on board.

Also this guy only talks about people around DC. GTown is running everything and GM AD is the best bet for commish. Really? No Dan Gavitt or the current BE BBall associate commish whose name escapes me?

The travel issue has nothing to do with basketball. In the C7, olympic sports will remain as bus-oriented as possible. None of the athletic departments in the C7 can afford to have their olympic teams routinely on planes. For those sports, the east coast teams will not be going further into the Midwest if they can avoid it. Though I'm skeptical that travel issues for olympic sports will keep Creighton out of the conference, I do understand completely the value of having a more compact 12 team conference in which 6 midwest teams can bus to each other in addition to a couple of flights east each season and vice versa for the east coast teams. Creighton is problematic from an olympic sports travel expense prespective because they are a busable distance from almost no one in the conference. It doesn't mean that it isn't possible to figure a way to make things work for everyone, but it's a legitimate issue.

More likely it is the western schools holding them up. Xavier, Dayton, SLU, DePaul Marquette and Butler are all a bus ride away. All these schools want to minimize costs in Olympic sports so they can pour more money into basketball. I think we all underestimate the arms race going on in men's revenue sports to the detriment of college sports in general.

(02-18-2013 11:07 AM)Sactowndog Wrote:  

(02-17-2013 02:26 PM)LostInSpace Wrote:  

(02-17-2013 02:07 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  The thing is we all know we are going further into the Midwest anyway. What's the difference between flying to milliwaukee compared to Omaha? 45 minutes? Our teams will need to fly. A bus league has never been an option with DePaul and the golden eagles already on board.

Also this guy only talks about people around DC. GTown is running everything and GM AD is the best bet for commish. Really? No Dan Gavitt or the current BE BBall associate commish whose name escapes me?

The travel issue has nothing to do with basketball. In the C7, olympic sports will remain as bus-oriented as possible. None of the athletic departments in the C7 can afford to have their olympic teams routinely on planes. For those sports, the east coast teams will not be going further into the Midwest if they can avoid it. Though I'm skeptical that travel issues for olympic sports will keep Creighton out of the conference, I do understand completely the value of having a more compact 12 team conference in which 6 midwest teams can bus to each other in addition to a couple of flights east each season and vice versa for the east coast teams. Creighton is problematic from an olympic sports travel expense prespective because they are a busable distance from almost no one in the conference. It doesn't mean that it isn't possible to figure a way to make things work for everyone, but it's a legitimate issue.

More likely it is the western schools holding them up. Xavier, Dayton, SLU, DePaul Marquette and Butler are all a bus ride away. All these schools want to minimize costs in Olympic sports so they can pour more money into basketball. I think we all underestimate the arms race going on in men's revenue sports to the detriment of college sports in general.

These schools in the east and Midwest will play each other so they will have to get on planes. Most of it will be the same since we've been playing UC, nd and USF.

(02-18-2013 12:05 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(02-18-2013 11:07 AM)Sactowndog Wrote:  

(02-17-2013 02:26 PM)LostInSpace Wrote:  

(02-17-2013 02:07 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  The thing is we all know we are going further into the Midwest anyway. What's the difference between flying to milliwaukee compared to Omaha? 45 minutes? Our teams will need to fly. A bus league has never been an option with DePaul and the golden eagles already on board.

Also this guy only talks about people around DC. GTown is running everything and GM AD is the best bet for commish. Really? No Dan Gavitt or the current BE BBall associate commish whose name escapes me?

The travel issue has nothing to do with basketball. In the C7, olympic sports will remain as bus-oriented as possible. None of the athletic departments in the C7 can afford to have their olympic teams routinely on planes. For those sports, the east coast teams will not be going further into the Midwest if they can avoid it. Though I'm skeptical that travel issues for olympic sports will keep Creighton out of the conference, I do understand completely the value of having a more compact 12 team conference in which 6 midwest teams can bus to each other in addition to a couple of flights east each season and vice versa for the east coast teams. Creighton is problematic from an olympic sports travel expense prespective because they are a busable distance from almost no one in the conference. It doesn't mean that it isn't possible to figure a way to make things work for everyone, but it's a legitimate issue.

More likely it is the western schools holding them up. Xavier, Dayton, SLU, DePaul Marquette and Butler are all a bus ride away. All these schools want to minimize costs in Olympic sports so they can pour more money into basketball. I think we all underestimate the arms race going on in men's revenue sports to the detriment of college sports in general.

These schools in the east and Midwest will play each other so they will have to get on planes. Most of it will be the same since we've been playing UC, nd and USF.

Yeah, Dayton-Xavier and DePaul-Marquette are bus rides, but the other combos aren't necessarily automatically that way. Chicago to St. Louis likely isn't a bus trip, for example. That's about the equivalent of San Francisco to LA. Regardless, travel costs are generally a red herring in these expansion discussions. They might matter in the case of a complete outlier like Gonzaga. Using that argument to swap out Creighton for Siena, though, is nutty.

(02-18-2013 12:40 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(02-18-2013 12:05 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(02-18-2013 11:07 AM)Sactowndog Wrote:  

(02-17-2013 02:26 PM)LostInSpace Wrote:  

(02-17-2013 02:07 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  The thing is we all know we are going further into the Midwest anyway. What's the difference between flying to milliwaukee compared to Omaha? 45 minutes? Our teams will need to fly. A bus league has never been an option with DePaul and the golden eagles already on board.

Also this guy only talks about people around DC. GTown is running everything and GM AD is the best bet for commish. Really? No Dan Gavitt or the current BE BBall associate commish whose name escapes me?

The travel issue has nothing to do with basketball. In the C7, olympic sports will remain as bus-oriented as possible. None of the athletic departments in the C7 can afford to have their olympic teams routinely on planes. For those sports, the east coast teams will not be going further into the Midwest if they can avoid it. Though I'm skeptical that travel issues for olympic sports will keep Creighton out of the conference, I do understand completely the value of having a more compact 12 team conference in which 6 midwest teams can bus to each other in addition to a couple of flights east each season and vice versa for the east coast teams. Creighton is problematic from an olympic sports travel expense prespective because they are a busable distance from almost no one in the conference. It doesn't mean that it isn't possible to figure a way to make things work for everyone, but it's a legitimate issue.

More likely it is the western schools holding them up. Xavier, Dayton, SLU, DePaul Marquette and Butler are all a bus ride away. All these schools want to minimize costs in Olympic sports so they can pour more money into basketball. I think we all underestimate the arms race going on in men's revenue sports to the detriment of college sports in general.

These schools in the east and Midwest will play each other so they will have to get on planes. Most of it will be the same since we've been playing UC, nd and USF.

Yeah, Dayton-Xavier and DePaul-Marquette are bus rides, but the other combos aren't necessarily automatically that way. Chicago to St. Louis likely isn't a bus trip, for example. That's about the equivalent of San Francisco to LA. Regardless, travel costs are generally a red herring in these expansion discussions. They might matter in the case of a complete outlier like Gonzaga. Using that argument to swap out Creighton for Siena, though, is nutty.

SF to LA is easily a 7 hour trip. Not to mention the absolute nightmare that trip is through the valleys and hitting certain parts of LA and SF before it is bumper to bumper.


Chicago to St Louis can be done in 3.5 hours. A bus ride will probably be 4.5 hours consistently with very little hassle.

Never understood the love for Creighton anyway. I think they are a reach.

Seems Richmond could play its conference games in the Richmond Coliseum which seats about 12K. Their usual home seats about 9K.