(02-18-2013 02:28 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(02-18-2013 09:03 AM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  If MTSU does not win the conference tournament this year, they and Kermit will hold the distinction of being the biggest choke jobs in March in college basketball...

Are you referring to just this season? All time in the Sun Belt?

I'd like to submit for discussion the 2007-2008 season in which South Alabama(26-5) lost to Middle Tennessee(16-15) by nine on their home court in the semis of the conference tournament. Not saying it wouldn't be a big choke job if we don't manage to pull it off, but we wouldn't be the first or last to choke in March.

No one has choked two seasons in a row as you guys were the best team last season also...

(02-18-2013 02:44 PM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  

(02-18-2013 02:28 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(02-18-2013 09:03 AM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  If MTSU does not win the conference tournament this year, they and Kermit will hold the distinction of being the biggest choke jobs in March in college basketball...

Are you referring to just this season? All time in the Sun Belt?

I'd like to submit for discussion the 2007-2008 season in which South Alabama(26-5) lost to Middle Tennessee(16-15) by nine on their home court in the semis of the conference tournament. Not saying it wouldn't be a big choke job if we don't manage to pull it off, but we wouldn't be the first or last to choke in March.

No one has choked two seasons in a row as you guys were the best team last season also...

I'd be careful about saying "no one" unless you have an encyclopedic memory of the entire history of college basketball or at least the Sun Belt conference. I've only been following MT and the Sun Belt since 2002, so I don't really know.

(02-18-2013 02:54 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(02-18-2013 02:44 PM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  

(02-18-2013 02:28 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(02-18-2013 09:03 AM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  If MTSU does not win the conference tournament this year, they and Kermit will hold the distinction of being the biggest choke jobs in March in college basketball...

Are you referring to just this season? All time in the Sun Belt?

I'd like to submit for discussion the 2007-2008 season in which South Alabama(26-5) lost to Middle Tennessee(16-15) by nine on their home court in the semis of the conference tournament. Not saying it wouldn't be a big choke job if we don't manage to pull it off, but we wouldn't be the first or last to choke in March.

No one has choked two seasons in a row as you guys were the best team last season also...

I'd be careful about saying "no one" unless you have an encyclopedic memory of the entire history of college basketball or at least the Sun Belt conference. I've only been following MT and the Sun Belt since 2002, so I don't really know.

I seriously doubt at any point in SBC regular season history a team has had a conf. record you guys have had the last two regular seasons and not made a NCAA tournament if you do not make it this season and or lose early in SBC tournament...

(02-18-2013 03:11 PM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  

(02-18-2013 02:54 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  I'd be careful about saying "no one" unless you have an encyclopedic memory of the entire history of college basketball or at least the Sun Belt conference. I've only been following MT and the Sun Belt since 2002, so I don't really know.

I seriously doubt at any point in SBC regular season history a team has had a conf. record you guys have had the last two regular seasons and not made a NCAA tournament if you do not make it this season and or lose early in SBC tournament...

You know what they say about assumptions...

Besides if Vandy can get bounced in a 4-13 matchup twice in three years, Kansas got bounced in a 3-14 in 2005(Big XII regular season champs) and bounced in a 4-13 in 2006(Big XII regular season and conference champs)...

I'm by no means suggesting that we should be compared to either of those programs, but if an elite program like Kansas and a very good program like Vandy are not immune to big choke jobs, I find it hard to believe that in the nearly three decades of this conference that we've never seen the best team fail to capture the title in back to back years.

(02-18-2013 03:26 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(02-18-2013 03:11 PM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  

(02-18-2013 02:54 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  I'd be careful about saying "no one" unless you have an encyclopedic memory of the entire history of college basketball or at least the Sun Belt conference. I've only been following MT and the Sun Belt since 2002, so I don't really know.

I seriously doubt at any point in SBC regular season history a team has had a conf. record you guys have had the last two regular seasons and not made a NCAA tournament if you do not make it this season and or lose early in SBC tournament...

You know what they say about assumptions...

Besides if Vandy can get bounced in a 4-13 matchup twice in three years, Kansas got bounced in a 3-14 in 2005(Big XII regular season champs) and bounced in a 4-13 in 2006(Big XII regular season and conference champs)...

I'm by no means suggesting that we should be compared to either of those programs, but if an elite program like Kansas and a very good program like Vandy are not immune to big choke jobs, I find it hard to believe that in the nearly three decades of this conference that we've never seen the best team fail to capture the title in back to back years.

Did not say necessairly win the Conference tournament, just make it to NCAA tournament...Back in the mid 80's when the Sun Belt was a great basketball conference, I am sure the best regular season team did not always win but they still recieved an at large bid to NCAA..I know with WKU's history, or best teams most of the time won the conf. tournament to leave no doubt we were the best team and punched our card to the dance...In '95 we got beat on our home floor to Southwestern Lousiana at the time, but we got an at large bid to tournament....If you guys take care of business and make it to final than you should at least have an at large bid to tournament...If not I would consider two seasons in a row choking away an NCAA bid to be biggest choke job in Sun Belt history...

(02-18-2013 03:44 PM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  Did not say necessairly win the Conference tournament, just make it to NCAA tournament...Back in the mid 80's when the Sun Belt was a great basketball conference, I am sure the best regular season team did not always win but they still recieved an at large bid to NCAA..I know with WKU's history, or best teams most of the time won the conf. tournament to leave no doubt we were the best team and punched our card to the dance...In '95 we got beat on our home floor to Southwestern Lousiana at the time, but we got an at large bid to tournament....If you guys take care of business and make it to final than you should at least have an at large bid to tournament...If not I would consider two seasons in a row choking away an NCAA bid to be biggest choke job in Sun Belt history...

There was also a great deal more room for error in the 80's than there is today. It's not our fault the league has become a perennial one bid league, or rather it's no more our fault than anyone else's anyhow.

(02-18-2013 02:31 PM)mathenis89 Wrote:  I think it's more based on the hype of your team this year and last year. The amount of hype surrounding your team makes it an easy target...

What ******* hype are you talking about? Last year FAU was the preseason favorite. MT never was ranked, only got minimum coverage nationally. A few bracketologists who put MT in their brackets as MT had the lead in conference last year and this year, do the same no matter who the team is. That's not really hype.

This preseason all the hype surrounded North Texas and all-galactic Tony Mitchell. Everybody, especially western ky fans were predicting MT would win no more than 16 wins. Hell, the Raiders nearly have that just in conference. A lot of you wku animal husbandry majors were claiming that all MT's success was due to one very good player in Leron Dendy. Nobody was predicting that MT would be back in the position they find themselves this season.

The reason the Blue Raiders are getting everybody's best shot is that they are leading the conference (and leaving the conference), not due to any imaginary, illusionary, hype that a few disgruntled wky fans perceive.

Looks more and more like UNT will get their point guard back in the next week or so.. Just in time for the conference tourney..

They will either go out with a whimper or become the one team nobody wants to have to play in the first two rounds.

(02-18-2013 06:29 PM)SpaceRaider Wrote:  

(02-18-2013 02:31 PM)mathenis89 Wrote:  I think it's more based on the hype of your team this year and last year. The amount of hype surrounding your team makes it an easy target...

What ******* hype are you talking about? Last year FAU was the preseason favorite. MT never was ranked, only got minimum coverage nationally. A few bracketologists who put MT in their brackets as MT had the lead in conference last year and this year, do the same no matter who the team is. That's not really hype.

This preseason all the hype surrounded North Texas and all-galactic Tony Mitchell. Everybody, especially western ky fans were predicting MT would win no more than 16 wins. Hell, the Raiders nearly have that just in conference. A lot of you wku animal husbandry majors were claiming that all MT's success was due to one very good player in Leron Dendy. Nobody was predicting that MT would be back in the position they find themselves this season.

The reason the Blue Raiders are getting everybody's best shot is that they are leading the conference (and leaving the conference), not due to any imaginary, illusionary, hype that a few disgruntled wky fans perceive.

You need a scalp massage, man. Take a blood pressure pill or ten. What I mean by hype is that fact that you are expected to win the conference at this point, just like you were last year. But you choked last year and probably will again this year.

If you're unhappy with my previous explanation, I'll give a new one: No one in the Sun Belt likes MTSU except for MTSU. Your fan base is whiny and gives the impression of feeling entitled to everything, even when/if they don't earn it. You have taken to boasting at nearly every opportunity about your move to a new conference. The Bowl Situation and your fanbase's reaction to it ruined the reputation of your school in the Belt.

Simply put: We don't like you and hope and expect your team to choke in the tournament.

Bwahaha. Says somthing stupid and gets called out for it. Then whines that nobody likes us. Hillarious. The funniest part is the earn it on the field comment from a fan of a team that we beat on the field in every metric imaginable. I love this guy. Him and on Top are neck and neck for Best Western fan ever.

(02-19-2013 10:56 AM)mathenis89 Wrote:  You need a scalp massage, man. Take a blood pressure pill or ten. What I mean by hype is that fact that you are expected to win the conference at this point, just like you were last year. But you choked last year and probably will again this year.

If you're unhappy with my previous explanation, I'll give a new one: No one in the Sun Belt likes MTSU except for MTSU. Your fan base is whiny and gives the impression of feeling entitled to everything, even when/if they don't earn it. You have taken to boasting at nearly every opportunity about your move to a new conference. The Bowl Situation and your fanbase's reaction to it ruined the reputation of your school in the Belt.

Simply put: We don't like you and hope and expect your team to choke in the tournament.

Mathenis I like you, but not only was that way over the top, I was unaware you were appointed to speak on behalf of every other school and the entire board. No one likes us. Got it.

(02-19-2013 12:42 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote:  

(02-19-2013 10:56 AM)mathenis89 Wrote:  You need a scalp massage, man. Take a blood pressure pill or ten. What I mean by hype is that fact that you are expected to win the conference at this point, just like you were last year. But you choked last year and probably will again this year.

If you're unhappy with my previous explanation, I'll give a new one: No one in the Sun Belt likes MTSU except for MTSU. Your fan base is whiny and gives the impression of feeling entitled to everything, even when/if they don't earn it. You have taken to boasting at nearly every opportunity about your move to a new conference. The Bowl Situation and your fanbase's reaction to it ruined the reputation of your school in the Belt.

Simply put: We don't like you and hope and expect your team to choke in the tournament.

Mathenis I like you, but not only was that way over the top, I was unaware you were appointed to speak on behalf of every other school and the entire board. No one likes us. Got it.

Generalizations have been made, correct. I do not speak on behalf of the Board. I merely posted what seems to be the general attitude that I have picked up from reading this board. When MTSU fans brag or boast (which seems to be fairly often) for whatever reason, the response from many of the SBC fans are generally negative. Overanalyze it as much as you want.

However, I gave what I felt to be a valid point for the MTSU basketball hate originally. An MTSU fan decided to go overboard in defense of his team and in the same vain attacks my school. Thus, I gave a reason as a way of "hitting back", so to speak and rile him up even more.

But I got TeKe raging instead, so it's an even bigger bonus.

This word rage you use, I do not think it means what you think it means... Clowns make me laugh so I find you hillarious.

(02-19-2013 03:38 PM)TeKERaider Wrote:  Clowns make me laugh so I find you hillarious.

Not Pennywise the clown....

(02-18-2013 03:11 PM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  I seriously doubt at any point in SBC regular season history a team has had a conf. record you guys have had the last two regular seasons and not made a NCAA tournament if you do not make it this season and or lose early in SBC tournament...

Man, can we stop having these hypothetical, useless discussions about IF we choke? I won't be surprised, but I guess WKU's season is so far in the toilet that they have to start talking pre-smack before it even happens in order to cope with life in BG. Hope you all come back for a nice bowl of crow.

2005-2006 WKU Hilltoppers 20-5, 11-1 in the Sun Belt headed to MT for the second to last game of the regular season. WKU was in line for an at large if they slipped up in the tourney, but they lost to MT and then USA in the finals, missing out on the NCAA tournament. Sounds like a chokejob to me.

2004-2005 WKU Hilltoppers 18-5, 8-3 with two conference games left. They choke at home against UALR to lose the Eastern division title two days before a bracketbuster game with Bradley. They lost to doormat FIU to end the regular season, and then to Denver in the SBC tournament, going on to the NIT.

There's your example, bro.

My apologies if the fact that you guys had 3 losses going into the home stretch of the 04-05 season while we had only 1 last year at the same point isn't a good enough comparison. Fact is, we were both in the same spot as far as at large selection.

(02-19-2013 04:33 PM)MTowho Wrote:  

(02-18-2013 03:11 PM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  I seriously doubt at any point in SBC regular season history a team has had a conf. record you guys have had the last two regular seasons and not made a NCAA tournament if you do not make it this season and or lose early in SBC tournament...

Man, can we stop having these hypothetical, useless discussions about IF we choke? I won't be surprised, but I guess WKU's season is so far in the toilet that they have to start talking pre-smack before it even happens in order to cope with life in BG. Hope you all come back for a nice bowl of crow.

2005-2006 WKU Hilltoppers 20-5, 11-1 in the Sun Belt headed to MT for the second to last game of the regular season. WKU was in line for an at large if they slipped up in the tourney, but they lost to MT and then USA in the finals, missing out on the NCAA tournament. Sounds like a chokejob to me.

2004-2005 WKU Hilltoppers 18-5, 8-3 with two conference games left. They choke at home against UALR to lose the Eastern division title two days before a bracketbuster game with Bradley. They lost to doormat FIU to end the regular season, and then to Denver in the SBC tournament, going on to the NIT.

There's your example, bro.

My apologies if the fact that you guys had 3 losses going into the home stretch of the 04-05 season while we had only 1 last year at the same point isn't a good enough comparison. Fact is, we were both in the same spot as far as at large selection.

rep points your way...

(02-19-2013 04:33 PM)MTowho Wrote:  

(02-18-2013 03:11 PM)WKUFan518 Wrote:  I seriously doubt at any point in SBC regular season history a team has had a conf. record you guys have had the last two regular seasons and not made a NCAA tournament if you do not make it this season and or lose early in SBC tournament...

Man, can we stop having these hypothetical, useless discussions about IF we choke? I won't be surprised, but I guess WKU's season is so far in the toilet that they have to start talking pre-smack before it even happens in order to cope with life in BG. Hope you all come back for a nice bowl of crow.

2005-2006 WKU Hilltoppers 20-5, 11-1 in the Sun Belt headed to MT for the second to last game of the regular season. WKU was in line for an at large if they slipped up in the tourney, but they lost to MT and then USA in the finals, missing out on the NCAA tournament. Sounds like a chokejob to me.

2004-2005 WKU Hilltoppers 18-5, 8-3 with two conference games left. They choke at home against UALR to lose the Eastern division title two days before a bracketbuster game with Bradley. They lost to doormat FIU to end the regular season, and then to Denver in the SBC tournament, going on to the NIT.

There's your example, bro.

My apologies if the fact that you guys had 3 losses going into the home stretch of the 04-05 season while we had only 1 last year at the same point isn't a good enough comparison. Fact is, we were both in the same spot as far as at large selection.

In my previous life I was a dog.

I guess the major pwnage was too much for the regular board to handle.