I cant see villanova taking it all in stride either, From what i gathered after tulane was added, those at Marquette arent shy about their feelings either

(02-17-2013 05:25 PM)gosports1 Wrote:  I cant see villanova taking it all in stride either, From what i gathered after tulane was added, those at Marquette arent shy about their feelings either

Absolutely none of that Feinstein article made sense (and I'm not someone that has any bias toward him - in fact, he's written a number of great sports books). So, we're to believe that the school presidents don't care about who they expand with? If that's the case, WTF was the point of breaking off from the Big East in the first place? This group supposedly had problems with Tulane yet are now ready to add Siena and Detroit?

I also believe that the concept of having East/West divisions is continuously throwing people off because, at the end of the day, there is a very low likelihood of having any divisions in the first place. Thus, the geographic balance argument is getting a bit too much play. Maybe Richmond or VCU gets in over Dayton or SLU, but I doubt it will be as a result of wanting a 6/6 East/West split. Sure, that might be a nice side benefit, but it pales in comparison to TV markets, fan base sizes, institutional fit and performance on-the-court. The programs with the combination of having better teams, fan bases, institutional fits and TV markets generally happen to be in the Midwest for this new C7 league, so it shouldn't surprise anyone that this is where the focus is.

(02-18-2013 12:51 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(02-17-2013 05:25 PM)gosports1 Wrote:  I cant see villanova taking it all in stride either, From what i gathered after tulane was added, those at Marquette arent shy about their feelings either

Absolutely none of that Feinstein article made sense (and I'm not someone that has any bias toward him - in fact, he's written a number of great sports books). So, we're to believe that the school presidents don't care about who they expand with? If that's the case, WTF was the point of breaking off from the Big East in the first place? This group supposedly had problems with Tulane yet are now ready to add Siena and Detroit?

I also believe that the concept of having East/West divisions is continuously throwing people off because, at the end of the day, there is a very low likelihood of having any divisions in the first place. Thus, the geographic balance argument is getting a bit too much play. Maybe Richmond or VCU gets in over Dayton or SLU, but I doubt it will be as a result of wanting a 6/6 East/West split. Sure, that might be a nice side benefit, but it pales in comparison to TV markets, fan base sizes, institutional fit and performance on-the-court. The programs with the combination of having better teams, fan bases, institutional fits and TV markets generally happen to be in the Midwest for this new C7 league, so it shouldn't surprise anyone that this is where the focus is.

I could though easily see the 5 eastern schools not wanting all of the adds being Midwestern quite frankly. It veered from the east coast once already, I don't think they would want to have it happen again.

(02-18-2013 02:43 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(02-18-2013 12:51 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(02-17-2013 05:25 PM)gosports1 Wrote:  I cant see villanova taking it all in stride either, From what i gathered after tulane was added, those at Marquette arent shy about their feelings either

Absolutely none of that Feinstein article made sense (and I'm not someone that has any bias toward him - in fact, he's written a number of great sports books). So, we're to believe that the school presidents don't care about who they expand with? If that's the case, WTF was the point of breaking off from the Big East in the first place? This group supposedly had problems with Tulane yet are now ready to add Siena and Detroit?

I also believe that the concept of having East/West divisions is continuously throwing people off because, at the end of the day, there is a very low likelihood of having any divisions in the first place. Thus, the geographic balance argument is getting a bit too much play. Maybe Richmond or VCU gets in over Dayton or SLU, but I doubt it will be as a result of wanting a 6/6 East/West split. Sure, that might be a nice side benefit, but it pales in comparison to TV markets, fan base sizes, institutional fit and performance on-the-court. The programs with the combination of having better teams, fan bases, institutional fits and TV markets generally happen to be in the Midwest for this new C7 league, so it shouldn't surprise anyone that this is where the focus is.

I could though easily see the 5 eastern schools not wanting all of the adds being Midwestern quite frankly. It veered from the east coast once already, I don't think they would want to have it happen again.

Oh god, they already are partnered with a team in Chicago and Wisconsin. They aren't going to pass on Creighton or St. Louis for Siena.

(02-18-2013 04:37 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(02-18-2013 02:43 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(02-18-2013 12:51 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(02-17-2013 05:25 PM)gosports1 Wrote:  I cant see villanova taking it all in stride either, From what i gathered after tulane was added, those at Marquette arent shy about their feelings either

Absolutely none of that Feinstein article made sense (and I'm not someone that has any bias toward him - in fact, he's written a number of great sports books). So, we're to believe that the school presidents don't care about who they expand with? If that's the case, WTF was the point of breaking off from the Big East in the first place? This group supposedly had problems with Tulane yet are now ready to add Siena and Detroit?

I also believe that the concept of having East/West divisions is continuously throwing people off because, at the end of the day, there is a very low likelihood of having any divisions in the first place. Thus, the geographic balance argument is getting a bit too much play. Maybe Richmond or VCU gets in over Dayton or SLU, but I doubt it will be as a result of wanting a 6/6 East/West split. Sure, that might be a nice side benefit, but it pales in comparison to TV markets, fan base sizes, institutional fit and performance on-the-court. The programs with the combination of having better teams, fan bases, institutional fits and TV markets generally happen to be in the Midwest for this new C7 league, so it shouldn't surprise anyone that this is where the focus is.

I could though easily see the 5 eastern schools not wanting all of the adds being Midwestern quite frankly. It veered from the east coast once already, I don't think they would want to have it happen again.

Oh god, they already are partnered with a team in Chicago and Wisconsin. They aren't going to pass on Creighton or St. Louis for Siena.

Creighton is averaging 17,000 per game at home this year. Wow!

Dayton is averaging over 12,000.

It's tough to pass on programs like that. Add those 2 to Butler & Xavier.

But St. Louis doesn't do any better than VCU, so I don't see why the C7 would want to add them over VCU with all that their program has accomplished in recent years. VCU regularly sells out its home arena, so we haven't yet seen what their ceiling is if they move to a bigger facility. I'd take them for the 12th spot.

VCU 'sellouts' are fishy, at best, as they have to constantly give loads of tickets away for free (according to VCU's own board members). Not to mention they have a much smaller arena @ 7,500.

(02-18-2013 04:37 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(02-18-2013 02:43 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(02-18-2013 12:51 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(02-17-2013 05:25 PM)gosports1 Wrote:  I cant see villanova taking it all in stride either, From what i gathered after tulane was added, those at Marquette arent shy about their feelings either

Absolutely none of that Feinstein article made sense (and I'm not someone that has any bias toward him - in fact, he's written a number of great sports books). So, we're to believe that the school presidents don't care about who they expand with? If that's the case, WTF was the point of breaking off from the Big East in the first place? This group supposedly had problems with Tulane yet are now ready to add Siena and Detroit?

I also believe that the concept of having East/West divisions is continuously throwing people off because, at the end of the day, there is a very low likelihood of having any divisions in the first place. Thus, the geographic balance argument is getting a bit too much play. Maybe Richmond or VCU gets in over Dayton or SLU, but I doubt it will be as a result of wanting a 6/6 East/West split. Sure, that might be a nice side benefit, but it pales in comparison to TV markets, fan base sizes, institutional fit and performance on-the-court. The programs with the combination of having better teams, fan bases, institutional fits and TV markets generally happen to be in the Midwest for this new C7 league, so it shouldn't surprise anyone that this is where the focus is.

I could though easily see the 5 eastern schools not wanting all of the adds being Midwestern quite frankly. It veered from the east coast once already, I don't think they would want to have it happen again.

Oh god, they already are partnered with a team in Chicago and Wisconsin. They aren't going to pass on Creighton or St. Louis for Siena.

No but it could make a difference in the 5th add. Let's just say, I don't think there's a chance the adds will be Xavier, Dayton, Butler, St Louis, and Creighton. Richmond or VCU WILL be added.

(02-18-2013 04:59 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(02-18-2013 04:37 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(02-18-2013 02:43 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(02-18-2013 12:51 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(02-17-2013 05:25 PM)gosports1 Wrote:  I cant see villanova taking it all in stride either, From what i gathered after tulane was added, those at Marquette arent shy about their feelings either

Absolutely none of that Feinstein article made sense (and I'm not someone that has any bias toward him - in fact, he's written a number of great sports books). So, we're to believe that the school presidents don't care about who they expand with? If that's the case, WTF was the point of breaking off from the Big East in the first place? This group supposedly had problems with Tulane yet are now ready to add Siena and Detroit?

I also believe that the concept of having East/West divisions is continuously throwing people off because, at the end of the day, there is a very low likelihood of having any divisions in the first place. Thus, the geographic balance argument is getting a bit too much play. Maybe Richmond or VCU gets in over Dayton or SLU, but I doubt it will be as a result of wanting a 6/6 East/West split. Sure, that might be a nice side benefit, but it pales in comparison to TV markets, fan base sizes, institutional fit and performance on-the-court. The programs with the combination of having better teams, fan bases, institutional fits and TV markets generally happen to be in the Midwest for this new C7 league, so it shouldn't surprise anyone that this is where the focus is.

I could though easily see the 5 eastern schools not wanting all of the adds being Midwestern quite frankly. It veered from the east coast once already, I don't think they would want to have it happen again.

Oh god, they already are partnered with a team in Chicago and Wisconsin. They aren't going to pass on Creighton or St. Louis for Siena.

No but it could make a difference in the 5th add. Let's just say, I don't think there's a chance the adds will be Xavier, Dayton, Butler, St Louis, and Creighton. Richmond or VCU WILL be added.

I still think it will end up being Xavier, Butler, Creighton, Dayton and SLU. That is the last thing Thamel said (haven't heard from him in awhile though) and most of the "rumors" coming from the Providence board say the same. Although I wouldn't mind swapping Dayton for Richmond or VCU as long as Creighton is in still...

I just don't see TV wanting Dayton over VCU or Richmond. Dayton too much of a duplicate market quite frankly.

(02-18-2013 06:37 PM)stever20 Wrote:  I just don't see TV wanting Dayton over VCU or Richmond. Dayton too much of a duplicate market quite frankly.

TV loves Dayton. There are talks to keep the first four there indefinitely after their 5 or so year deal is up. That means they have BBall fans in that city and area. I think 14 is in play so they can justify getting Dayton AND a VA school in.