Just was thinking about something....

If it's 23 mil a year for 6 years.. That's 138 million total..

next year is just basketball. I wonder if it would be maybe only paying 8 million, then combine with the football- say it's 25 million(last year of the deal with ESPN, so should be at the highest point)- would mean 33 million total- or for football schools 2 million and then the 8 bb schools like 1.5 million.

That would get the other 5 years an average of 26 million per year- or about 2.6 million per school.

(02-14-2013 01:28 AM)stever20 Wrote:  Just was thinking about something....

If it's 23 mil a year for 6 years.. That's 138 million total..

next year is just basketball. I wonder if it would be maybe only paying 8 million, then combine with the football- say it's 25 million(last year of the deal with ESPN, so should be at the highest point)- would mean 33 million total- or for football schools 2 million and then the 8 bb schools like 1.5 million.

That would get the other 5 years an average of 26 million per year- or about 2.6 million per school.

They always give the average. I wouldnt be surprised if next year its closer to what Fox is paying to the C-7 (say 35 million) and then the average after that year drops off to say 17 million a year to make up for the bridge year. That would mean as little as 1.7 million a team for 10, or 1.4 million per team for a 12 team league. Who knows? The bridge year may not even be included in the 120. Thats the kind of detail the writers never bother to get.

(02-14-2013 01:57 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(02-14-2013 01:28 AM)stever20 Wrote:  Just was thinking about something....

If it's 23 mil a year for 6 years.. That's 138 million total..

next year is just basketball. I wonder if it would be maybe only paying 8 million, then combine with the football- say it's 25 million(last year of the deal with ESPN, so should be at the highest point)- would mean 33 million total- or for football schools 2 million and then the 8 bb schools like 1.5 million.

That would get the other 5 years an average of 26 million per year- or about 2.6 million per school.

They always give the average. I wouldnt be surprised if next year its closer to what Fox is paying to the C-7 (say 35 million) and then the average after that year drops off to say 17 million a year to make up for the bridge year. That would mean as little as 1.7 million a team for 10, or 1.4 million per team for a 12 team league. Who knows? The bridge year may not even be included in the 120. Thats the kind of detail the writers never bother to get.

And if the deal is for short money for next year, the C-7 have the votes to reject the deal.

You know the good thing for Aresco is now if he can get us to 3 million a year per school most of us would be happy with that now lol

(02-14-2013 07:37 AM)Bleeds_Purple Wrote:  You know the good thing for Aresco is now if he can get us to 3 million a year per school most of us would be happy with that now lol

Well that's one way to look at it.

(02-14-2013 07:26 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(02-14-2013 01:57 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(02-14-2013 01:28 AM)stever20 Wrote:  Just was thinking about something....

If it's 23 mil a year for 6 years.. That's 138 million total..

next year is just basketball. I wonder if it would be maybe only paying 8 million, then combine with the football- say it's 25 million(last year of the deal with ESPN, so should be at the highest point)- would mean 33 million total- or for football schools 2 million and then the 8 bb schools like 1.5 million.

That would get the other 5 years an average of 26 million per year- or about 2.6 million per school.

They always give the average. I wouldnt be surprised if next year its closer to what Fox is paying to the C-7 (say 35 million) and then the average after that year drops off to say 17 million a year to make up for the bridge year. That would mean as little as 1.7 million a team for 10, or 1.4 million per team for a 12 team league. Who knows? The bridge year may not even be included in the 120. Thats the kind of detail the writers never bother to get.

And if the deal is for short money for next year, the C-7 have the votes to reject the deal.

I kinda hope it is rejected. Two million, really, whats the point?

(02-14-2013 07:26 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(02-14-2013 01:57 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(02-14-2013 01:28 AM)stever20 Wrote:  Just was thinking about something....

If it's 23 mil a year for 6 years.. That's 138 million total..

next year is just basketball. I wonder if it would be maybe only paying 8 million, then combine with the football- say it's 25 million(last year of the deal with ESPN, so should be at the highest point)- would mean 33 million total- or for football schools 2 million and then the 8 bb schools like 1.5 million.

That would get the other 5 years an average of 26 million per year- or about 2.6 million per school.

They always give the average. I wouldnt be surprised if next year its closer to what Fox is paying to the C-7 (say 35 million) and then the average after that year drops off to say 17 million a year to make up for the bridge year. That would mean as little as 1.7 million a team for 10, or 1.4 million per team for a 12 team league. Who knows? The bridge year may not even be included in the 120. Thats the kind of detail the writers never bother to get.

And if the deal is for short money for next year, the C-7 have the votes to reject the deal.

Oh sure they do have the votes to do that, but do they want to have no TV deal for next year for basketball?

(02-14-2013 10:21 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(02-14-2013 07:26 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(02-14-2013 01:57 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(02-14-2013 01:28 AM)stever20 Wrote:  Just was thinking about something....

If it's 23 mil a year for 6 years.. That's 138 million total..

next year is just basketball. I wonder if it would be maybe only paying 8 million, then combine with the football- say it's 25 million(last year of the deal with ESPN, so should be at the highest point)- would mean 33 million total- or for football schools 2 million and then the 8 bb schools like 1.5 million.

That would get the other 5 years an average of 26 million per year- or about 2.6 million per school.

They always give the average. I wouldnt be surprised if next year its closer to what Fox is paying to the C-7 (say 35 million) and then the average after that year drops off to say 17 million a year to make up for the bridge year. That would mean as little as 1.7 million a team for 10, or 1.4 million per team for a 12 team league. Who knows? The bridge year may not even be included in the 120. Thats the kind of detail the writers never bother to get.

And if the deal is for short money for next year, the C-7 have the votes to reject the deal.

Oh sure they do have the votes to do that, but do they want to have no TV deal for next year for basketball?

I think we could get Fox to make an offer for next year.

They want C-7+Butler+Xavier hoops, why wouldn't they want C7+Louisville+UConn+Memphis+Temple+Notre Dame hoops and the last year of the 16-team Big East Tournament?

(02-14-2013 10:31 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(02-14-2013 10:21 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(02-14-2013 07:26 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(02-14-2013 01:57 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(02-14-2013 01:28 AM)stever20 Wrote:  Just was thinking about something....

If it's 23 mil a year for 6 years.. That's 138 million total..

next year is just basketball. I wonder if it would be maybe only paying 8 million, then combine with the football- say it's 25 million(last year of the deal with ESPN, so should be at the highest point)- would mean 33 million total- or for football schools 2 million and then the 8 bb schools like 1.5 million.

That would get the other 5 years an average of 26 million per year- or about 2.6 million per school.

They always give the average. I wouldnt be surprised if next year its closer to what Fox is paying to the C-7 (say 35 million) and then the average after that year drops off to say 17 million a year to make up for the bridge year. That would mean as little as 1.7 million a team for 10, or 1.4 million per team for a 12 team league. Who knows? The bridge year may not even be included in the 120. Thats the kind of detail the writers never bother to get.

And if the deal is for short money for next year, the C-7 have the votes to reject the deal.

Oh sure they do have the votes to do that, but do they want to have no TV deal for next year for basketball?

I think we could get Fox to make an offer for next year.

They want C-7+Butler+Xavier hoops, why wouldn't they want C7+Louisville+UConn+Memphis+Temple+Notre Dame hoops and the last year of the 16-team Big East Tournament?

I think you can just deal with whatever we get since Fox doesn't want the whole league.

(02-14-2013 10:31 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(02-14-2013 10:21 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(02-14-2013 07:26 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(02-14-2013 01:57 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(02-14-2013 01:28 AM)stever20 Wrote:  Just was thinking about something....

If it's 23 mil a year for 6 years.. That's 138 million total..

next year is just basketball. I wonder if it would be maybe only paying 8 million, then combine with the football- say it's 25 million(last year of the deal with ESPN, so should be at the highest point)- would mean 33 million total- or for football schools 2 million and then the 8 bb schools like 1.5 million.

That would get the other 5 years an average of 26 million per year- or about 2.6 million per school.

They always give the average. I wouldnt be surprised if next year its closer to what Fox is paying to the C-7 (say 35 million) and then the average after that year drops off to say 17 million a year to make up for the bridge year. That would mean as little as 1.7 million a team for 10, or 1.4 million per team for a 12 team league. Who knows? The bridge year may not even be included in the 120. Thats the kind of detail the writers never bother to get.

And if the deal is for short money for next year, the C-7 have the votes to reject the deal.

Oh sure they do have the votes to do that, but do they want to have no TV deal for next year for basketball?

I think we could get Fox to make an offer for next year.

They want C-7+Butler+Xavier hoops, why wouldn't they want C7+Louisville+UConn+Memphis+Temple+Notre Dame hoops and the last year of the 16-team Big East Tournament?

The problem with that is that does no good for the Big East after next year. The fox option does nothing for them, unless Fox picks up the Big East as well for more than 1 year.

here's the thing, if Aresco pays the C7 and ND the same as they have been getting paid, I don't think there's anything the C7 can do about it to stop it. I don't think we have much of a vote quite frankly.

(02-14-2013 10:42 AM)stever20 Wrote:  

(02-14-2013 10:31 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(02-14-2013 10:21 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(02-14-2013 07:26 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(02-14-2013 01:57 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  They always give the average. I wouldnt be surprised if next year its closer to what Fox is paying to the C-7 (say 35 million) and then the average after that year drops off to say 17 million a year to make up for the bridge year. That would mean as little as 1.7 million a team for 10, or 1.4 million per team for a 12 team league. Who knows? The bridge year may not even be included in the 120. Thats the kind of detail the writers never bother to get.

And if the deal is for short money for next year, the C-7 have the votes to reject the deal.

Oh sure they do have the votes to do that, but do they want to have no TV deal for next year for basketball?

I think we could get Fox to make an offer for next year.

They want C-7+Butler+Xavier hoops, why wouldn't they want C7+Louisville+UConn+Memphis+Temple+Notre Dame hoops and the last year of the 16-team Big East Tournament?

The problem with that is that does no good for the Big East after next year. The fox option does nothing for them, unless Fox picks up the Big East as well for more than 1 year.

here's the thing, if Aresco pays the C7 and ND the same as they have been getting paid, I don't think there's anything the C7 can do about it to stop it. I don't think we have much of a vote quite frankly.

We def have a vote for at least the portion of the contract that covers us. My guess is NBC is packaging it as 2 separate contracts so that we can only vote on the portion that applies to us. No way they want the C7 to submarine the full TV package, or have access to its full financials.

A couple of things to add from what I see here:

- the exact for football next year has not been publicly disclosed but is the last year of a 6 year $80 million contract for football. The last few years have been relatively even so I would not expect this last year to have a balloon payment. Probably no more than $17 million for 2103

- the same general payout structure should be expected for this years bb tv payout, the last year. Contracts were 6 yrs $48 mil with CBS and 6 years $144 million with ESPN. Total payout for basketball this year is probably around $40 million due to how contracts are backloaded. I point this out because someone said Aresco could pay them what they get now and they couldn't do anything. Well each team is making $2.67 million this year from basketball. Aresco would have to borrow money to do that.

- one last bastion of hope: the bridge year contract could be very valuable. Helps either fox launch the c7 or NBC launch the n.BE with a powerful basketball brand. I would not expect a windfall, but you could have NBC, fox, and ESPN bidding for that last year...

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Personally, I'm not happy with this at all. In fact I'm writing USF and suggesting they drop Football and adopt Basket Weaving in stead.

First off, everyone loves Baskets and you can sell or auction them off.

Second, it would be a novelty sport and we all know how much the networks are paying for odd junk these days. So I would suspect if we made a league, we could get as much or more for our Basket Weaving League as the BE will for their Sports League.

Who's with me????

Oh and the best part is that Basket Weaving is a Unisex Sport. So we can have Male and Female members on the same team. Hmm, maybe we can throw in some Tandem Pottery Exhibits during intermissions. You know like in the movie Ghost.

(02-14-2013 11:46 AM)adcorbett Wrote:  A couple of things to add from what I see here:

- the exact for football next year has not been publicly disclosed but is the last year of a 6 year $80 million contract for football. The last few years have been relatively even so I would not expect this last year to have a balloon payment. Probably no more than $17 million for 2103

- the same general payout structure should be expected for this years bb tv payout, the last year. Contracts were 6 yrs $48 mil with CBS and 6 years $144 million with ESPN. Total payout for basketball this year is probably around $40 million due to how contracts are backloaded. I point this out because someone said Aresco could pay them what they get now and they couldn't do anything. Well each team is making $2.67 million this year from basketball. Aresco would have to borrow money to do that.

- one last bastion of hope: the bridge year contract could be very valuable. Helps either fox launch the c7 or NBC launch the n.BE with a powerful basketball brand. I would not expect a windfall, but you could have NBC, fox, and ESPN bidding for that last year...

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Since the football deal was based on an 8-team league and the BE will now be a 10-team league something has to happen to the contract and/or the additional inventory. Could the ESPN deal be bought out? Sure. Could the additional inventory not covered under the ESPN contract be picked up by the new network? Maybe, but it would likely need to have some consideration ($$) given to ESPN as a result. It will be interesting to see what happens.

(02-14-2013 01:38 PM)CommuterBob Wrote:  Since the football deal was based on an 8-team league and the BE will now be a 10-team league something has to happen to the contract and/or the additional inventory.

That is not an animal anyone wants to touch. ESPN will simply point out the original 8 team league also included West Virginia, Pittsburgh, and Syracuse, as well as more appealing OOC games, then they might ask to negotiate down (like they did in 2004).


Buying out the deal doesn't do much good either, when the payout for this year (likely around $15-16 million) was as much as or more than the league was able to get annually on a long term contract, depending on how much value was given for each sport. And that doesn't include the cost to buy out the contract.