More details about Nbe NBC contract has been announced. First, it is confirmed that the contract is for $20M which is less than $2M per school. Second, it it for both football and basketball.

Third, and this is what I find most troubling, NBC will sell games to other networks. Really? Who are they going to sell to? And which Nbe school is going to get telecast the most?

Tulsa had 13 games on TV this season, all games on ESPN and FOX. IF Tulsa goes to Nbe, it wouldn't surprise me to see mostly Cincy, UConn, USF, and UCF games on tv, and Tulsa left out.

Furthermore, CUSA now has the inside track to ESPN and FOX. The howling is already starting that CUSA's tv contract is going down in dollars because Nbe contract is so low. Really? Why is this crap pulled out of the air and then we (CUSA) fans are supposed to believe it as the gospel truth. WIth CUSA doing a fine job of expansion in team selection and some nice tv markets, and with CUSA now having the inside track to ESPN and FOX, it appears to me CUSA is sitting pretty good when the CUSA tv contract will be renegotiated in a few years.

Tulsa has a fine situation in CUSA and CUSA/West. These are fine schools in CUSA, easy to travel to, alumni and fans in Texas can go easily to TU away games, this is the area TU recruits, and the FOX boardcast of geography of Louisiana, Texas, NM, and Oklahoma are just fine, thank you! Great bowls too in the neighborhood.

CUSA, with its stability and NonAQ inside track to ESPN and FOX to fill their tv schedules, CUSA is now in the driver's seat and in good position for the future. If it ain't broke, don't fix it!!!

I would hope TU leadership gets with Southern MIss and Marshall officials (Nbe's most likely targets) and act in unison to bring this Nbe clusthersmuck of wasted time and energy to an end. There is no place like home...our CUSA home!

may have an open track for the BE, but the pitiful (in comparison to what was expected) TV deal for the Big East is a bad sign of things to come for other NQ leagues as well. If the good teams with good followings from larger cities in the non-AQ leagues pulls what they pulled, imagine what prior sunbelt now CUSA 4.0 teams will be bringing in on the next contract. The further down the BE goes, the further down CUSA goes. There is a pecking order, whether you want to admit it or not.

(02-13-2013 08:56 AM)adluther Wrote:  may have an open track for the BE, but the pitiful (in comparison to what was expected) TV deal for the Big East is a bad sign of things to come for other NQ leagues as well. If the good teams with good followings from larger cities in the non-AQ leagues pulls what they pulled, imagine what prior sunbelt now CUSA 4.0 teams will be bringing in on the next contract. The further down the BE goes, the further down CUSA goes. There is a pecking order, whether you want to admit it or not.

That is unless you buy into the conspiracy theories that everyone was out to get the Big East and devalue it as much as possible. Now if the tin foil hat guys were right about everyone being out to get the Big East then it might not be the crushing blow to C-USA in the future, but if that's truly what that Big East lineup would be worth no matter the circumstances then that's horrific for C-USA long term as well.

Fox has a pretty full slate already. They have MLB, PAC-12, Nascar, and soccer. Sure they'll have some open time slots, especially if they're indeed making Fox Sports 1 and Fox Sports 2, but let's not pretend like we're going to get a better deal than the BE.

I don't really care about TV money. I just hope we get some money to help offset the additional cost of being FBS versus FCS.

(02-13-2013 08:56 AM)adluther Wrote:  may have an open track for the BE, but the pitiful (in comparison to what was expected) TV deal for the Big East is a bad sign of things to come for other NQ leagues as well. If the good teams with good followings from larger cities in the non-AQ leagues pulls what they pulled, imagine what prior sunbelt now CUSA 4.0 teams will be bringing in on the next contract. The further down the BE goes, the further down CUSA goes. There is a pecking order, whether you want to admit it or not.

You Nbe guyz keep pulling things out of the thin air, and then try to pass it off to us CUSA guyz as the gospel truth on this board. Hasn't MIddle Tennessee beat Memphis about five or more years in a row? This, and other reasons, is why Nbe tv contract is so low. This making up of "facts" is how you Nbe guyz got yourself in a pickle in the first place. Nbe is the laughing stock of football, mocked on all the sports boards.

(02-13-2013 09:08 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(02-13-2013 08:56 AM)adluther Wrote:  may have an open track for the BE, but the pitiful (in comparison to what was expected) TV deal for the Big East is a bad sign of things to come for other NQ leagues as well. If the good teams with good followings from larger cities in the non-AQ leagues pulls what they pulled, imagine what prior sunbelt now CUSA 4.0 teams will be bringing in on the next contract. The further down the BE goes, the further down CUSA goes. There is a pecking order, whether you want to admit it or not.

That is unless you buy into the conspiracy theories that everyone was out to get the Big East and devalue it as much as possible. Now if the tin foil hat guys were right about everyone being out to get the Big East then it might not be the crushing blow to C-USA in the future, but if that's truly what that Big East lineup would be worth no matter the circumstances then that's horrific for C-USA long term as well.

Sorry my friend. You made up a fairy tale and have no basis for your statement. You Nbe guyz have been doing this for a long time and that is why you guyz are mocked on all the sports board.

Nbe Boyz = MHver3 multiplied by a factor of 100.

Why did I post in a Trollgrass thread? I really brought this upon myself. I should have known better.

(02-13-2013 08:50 AM)Tallgrass Wrote:  Furthermore, CUSA now has the inside track to ESPN and FOX.

Inside track to what?

CUSA is locked in their current annual $14 Million TV contract with CBS Sports & FOX through 2015-2016 season...and CUSA is still waiting to see if their TV partners will kick in clauses that calls for lesser payments due to losing certain teams to other conferences.

Inside track to what?

Leftovers?

Div I-AA Playoffs?

(02-13-2013 09:19 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(02-13-2013 08:50 AM)Tallgrass Wrote:  Furthermore, CUSA now has the inside track to ESPN and FOX.

Inside track to what?

CUSA is locked in their current annual $14 Million TV contract with CBS Sports & FOX through 2015-2016 season...and CUSA is still waiting to see if their TV partners will kick in clauses that calls for lesser payments due to losing certain teams to other conferences.

Inside track to what?

Leftovers?

Div I-AA Playoffs?

Looks like our Nbe bretheren are having a tough morning...

(02-13-2013 09:16 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  Why did I post in a Trollgrass thread? I really brought this upon myself. I should have known better.

1. Past is prologue.

2. Never over promise and under deliver. Always under promise and over deliver.

Yes, you should have known better...

(02-13-2013 08:50 AM)Tallgrass Wrote:  More details about Nbe NBC contract has been announced. First, it is confirmed that the contract is for $20M which is less than $2M per school. Second, it it for both football and basketball.

Third, and this is what I find most troubling, NBC will sell games to other networks. Really? Who are they going to sell to? And which Nbe school is going to get telecast the most?

Tulsa had 13 games on TV this season, all games on ESPN and FOX. IF Tulsa goes to Nbe, it wouldn't surprise me to see mostly Cincy, UConn, USF, and UCF games on tv, and Tulsa left out.

Furthermore, CUSA now has the inside track to ESPN and FOX. The howling is already starting that CUSA's tv contract is going down in dollars because Nbe contract is so low. Really? Why is this crap pulled out of the air and then we (CUSA) fans are supposed to believe it as the gospel truth. WIth CUSA doing a fine job of expansion in team selection and some nice tv markets, and with CUSA now having the inside track to ESPN and FOX, it appears to me CUSA is sitting pretty good when the CUSA tv contract will be renegotiated in a few years.

Tulsa has a fine situation in CUSA and CUSA/West. These are fine schools in CUSA, easy to travel to, alumni and fans in Texas can go easily to TU away games, this is the area TU recruits, and the FOX boardcast of geography of Louisiana, Texas, NM, and Oklahoma are just fine, thank you! Great bowls too in the neighborhood.

CUSA, with its stability and NonAQ inside track to ESPN and FOX to fill their tv schedules, CUSA is now in the driver's seat and in good position for the future. If it ain't broke, don't fix it!!!

I would hope TU leadership gets with Southern MIss and Marshall officials (Nbe's most likely targets) and act in unison to bring this Nbe clusthersmuck of wasted time and energy to an end. There is no place like home...our CUSA home!

No worries. We are going nowhere. There is no way we would pay 6+ million to leave plus entry fees for a league that is a lateral move at best. I'd rather grow with the schools that we brought in.

Bottom line is this. CBS Sports and Fox have already said no change or renegotiation will occur as a result of C-USA's membership. It will result in $167,000 less per school because there will be 14 vice 12 schools.

Whatever happens next we won't know until 2016 when C-USA's contracts expire. I have a feeling that - by then - with the new networks started at NBC and Fox that there is going to be so much clamoring for content (particularly live content that does not traditionally get DVR'd) that everyone's bottom line from TV revenues is going to go up - even the Sun Belt's. The Big East is feeling the pinch right now, but in a few years it's all going to change. If I were the Big East I would sign only a short two or three year deal that can be renegotiated once these networks realize they need more content. I can also see NetFlix and Amazon trying to get in on sports broadcasting in the future given that live streaming is the future which will then usher in a new era of a la carte pricing, but that's a few years away. We'll just have to wait and see what happens.

I do know one thing. In 10 maybe 15 years when nearly everything is streamed including all ESPN content (cause Disney is going to grow tired of having its margins compressed due to cable companies like Comcast which by the way just bought the rest of NBC in case you missed that not only competing with them for content but charging them higher fees to just to be on their system), schools are going to end up having to produce their own broadcasts if they're not in one of the big four conferences. Our College of Mass Communications already produces the entire ESPN 3 broadcasts from top to bottom. If you don't have this infrastructure in place your school better start building it. http://mtsunews.com/big-truck-big-plans-for-emc/

(02-13-2013 09:19 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(02-13-2013 08:50 AM)Tallgrass Wrote:  Furthermore, CUSA now has the inside track to ESPN and FOX.

Inside track to what?

CUSA is locked in their current annual $14 Million TV contract with CBS Sports & FOX through 2015-2016 season...and CUSA is still waiting to see if their TV partners will kick in clauses that calls for lesser payments due to losing certain teams to other conferences.

Inside track to what?

Wrong! All of the new adds were approved by the TV partners. That's why they were chosen. We have increased our media footprint by 43 %. You can tell yourselves whatever you want but the low NBE contract has no bearing on ours. Your getting more than us because your market is twice the size of what ours was WHEN we signed it(remember it's about markets). When it comes up for renewal in three years you will actually see it increase to close to what your being offered if the DMA stays the same. Also by the time it comes around we will have done the same thing for some of the newer teams that we did for you and USF. You do remember you came from the MAC and USF came from nowhere.

TG has a point.

I dont like being associated with Sun Belt schools because its something weve never had to deal with in the past but I also dont want to be left out in the cold in terms of media exposure.

If there is a nBE 12. They get 4 games on a week. Maybe. Who buys the regional games? There is one regional channel that people have universal access to on all cable platforms. Fox Regional. Period.

Correct me if Im wrong but dont we still get a few prime time CBsCS games? Tulsa - Southern Miss or a Tulsa - La Tech games.

Downside is 11am kickoffs which kill attendance but from a audience point of view its a great way for the casual Big 12 fan to watch Tulsa or other CUSA games before the 2pm Big 12 game kicks off.

What the BE has to offer is the name. The schools that left for the nBE do not have a following or market size, that is much larger than the nCUSA schools. (Exception ECU in attendance) It will be interesting to see the deal about retaining the name the C7 or the nBE. When 2015 gets here I don't think the money will be much of a difference.

All I know is the bar has steadily, but steeply, declined and new "facts" are constantly being invented so people can "win" on an internet message board, yet some of you have been wrong so much I don't understand why posters give you the courtesy of an answer anymore.


This post is probably more relevant on the realignment board, but it applies here too.

(02-13-2013 09:37 AM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  Bottom line is this. CBS Sports and Fox have already said no change or renegotiation will occur as a result of C-USA's membership. It will result in $167,000 less per school because there will be 14 vice 12 schools.

Whatever happens next we won't know until 2016 when C-USA's contracts expire. I have a feeling that - by then - with the new networks started at NBC and Fox that there is going to be so much clamoring for content (particularly live content that does not traditionally get DVR'd) that everyone's bottom line from TV revenues is going to go up - even the Sun Belt's. The Big East is feeling the pinch right now, but in a few years it's all going to change. If I were the Big East I would sign only a short two or three year deal that can be renegotiated once these networks realize they need more content. I can also see NetFlix and Amazon trying to get in on sports broadcasting in the future given that live streaming is the future which will then usher in a new era of a la carte pricing, but that's a few years away. We'll just have to wait and see what happens.

I do know one thing. In 10 maybe 15 years when nearly everything is streamed including all ESPN content (cause Disney is going to grow tired of having its margins compressed due to cable companies like Comcast which by the way just bought the rest of NBC in case you missed that not only competing with them for content but charging them higher fees to just to be on their system), schools are going to end up having to produce their own broadcasts if they're not in one of the big four conferences. Our College of Mass Communications already produces the entire ESPN 3 broadcasts from top to bottom. If you don't have this infrastructure in place your school better start building it. http://mtsunews.com/big-truck-big-plans-for-emc/

How long before there is an iPad style WiFi handheld TV and every team has its own app which broadcasts all sports and student-produced content? Five years? Three?

(02-13-2013 09:25 AM)Tallgrass Wrote:  

(02-13-2013 09:19 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(02-13-2013 08:50 AM)Tallgrass Wrote:  Furthermore, CUSA now has the inside track to ESPN and FOX.

Inside track to what?

CUSA is locked in their current annual $14 Million TV contract with CBS Sports & FOX through 2015-2016 season...and CUSA is still waiting to see if their TV partners will kick in clauses that calls for lesser payments due to losing certain teams to other conferences.

Inside track to what?

Leftovers?

Div I-AA Playoffs?

Looks like our Nbe bretheren are having a tough morning...

Ok...so you openly admit that you were clueless about the current CUSA TV Contract...and even though its been noted scores of times over the last 2 years, not surprised how you still didn't even understand the basics, let alone the timeline of that deal.

(02-13-2013 09:56 AM)Freshy Wrote:  

(02-13-2013 09:37 AM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  Bottom line is this. CBS Sports and Fox have already said no change or renegotiation will occur as a result of C-USA's membership. It will result in $167,000 less per school because there will be 14 vice 12 schools.

Whatever happens next we won't know until 2016 when C-USA's contracts expire. I have a feeling that - by then - with the new networks started at NBC and Fox that there is going to be so much clamoring for content (particularly live content that does not traditionally get DVR'd) that everyone's bottom line from TV revenues is going to go up - even the Sun Belt's. The Big East is feeling the pinch right now, but in a few years it's all going to change. If I were the Big East I would sign only a short two or three year deal that can be renegotiated once these networks realize they need more content. I can also see NetFlix and Amazon trying to get in on sports broadcasting in the future given that live streaming is the future which will then usher in a new era of a la carte pricing, but that's a few years away. We'll just have to wait and see what happens.

I do know one thing. In 10 maybe 15 years when nearly everything is streamed including all ESPN content (cause Disney is going to grow tired of having its margins compressed due to cable companies like Comcast which by the way just bought the rest of NBC in case you missed that not only competing with them for content but charging them higher fees to just to be on their system), schools are going to end up having to produce their own broadcasts if they're not in one of the big four conferences. Our College of Mass Communications already produces the entire ESPN 3 broadcasts from top to bottom. If you don't have this infrastructure in place your school better start building it. http://mtsunews.com/big-truck-big-plans-for-emc/

How long before there is an iPad style WiFi handheld TV and every team has its own app which broadcasts all sports and student-produced content? Five years? Three?

I could see it happening within five. Apple is working on numerous R&D projects right now and is trying to figure out the future of TV.

Who cares about trying to win any argument? At this point I believe unless there are positives in that deal that are not yet evident it would have been more valuable for all 6 defectors to have said no to the Big East and then take the leftovers into C-USA. Of course the first 4 that left couldn't have possibly imagined the deal would be this bad, and ECU and Tulane weren't choosing from 2010 C-USA vs 2014 Big East they were choosing between 2014 C-USA vs 2014 Big East. ECU and Tulane also left the door open to come back penalty free and that door is still open for several more months.