(02-13-2013 09:37 AM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  Whatever happens next we won't know until 2016 when C-USA's contracts expire. I have a feeling that - by then - with the new networks started at NBC and Fox that there is going to be so much clamoring for content (particularly live content that does not traditionally get DVR'd) that everyone's bottom line from TV revenues is going to go up - even the Sun Belt's.

The issue with the Sun Belt is that they no longer have a presence in the Florida market, and there is no possibility of one for at least a decade. Their markets include Troy AL (I think that's a town), Monroe and Lafayette LA, Bowling Green KY, Jonesboro and Little Rock Ark and Mobile AL (with Atlanta, Arlington and San Marcos to join). That really doesn't demand a lot of attention.

C-USA has it's own issues but at least you can say Charlotte, Miami, Houston, Birmingham, San Antonio and Dallas when discussing prospective viewership.

(02-13-2013 10:21 AM)FIUFan Wrote:  

(02-13-2013 09:37 AM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  Whatever happens next we won't know until 2016 when C-USA's contracts expire. I have a feeling that - by then - with the new networks started at NBC and Fox that there is going to be so much clamoring for content (particularly live content that does not traditionally get DVR'd) that everyone's bottom line from TV revenues is going to go up - even the Sun Belt's.

The issue with the Sun Belt is that they no longer have a presence in the Florida market, and there is no possibility of one for at least a decade. Their markets include Troy AL (I think that's a town), Monroe and Lafayette LA, Bowling Green KY, Jonesboro and Little Rock Ark and Mobile AL (with Atlanta, Arlington and San Marcos to join). That really doesn't demand a lot of attention.

C-USA has it's own issues but at least you can say Charlotte, Miami, Houston, Birmingham, San Antonio and Dallas when discussing prospective viewership.

Nashville and Norfolk too.

Both of those are large markets as well.

This is actually something I hadn't thought of. Fox Sports 1 is rumored to start in August. This could be good for C-USA. The games that are picked up by FOX can now be aired on a legit basic tier channel to rival ESPN instead of the regional FOX broadcasts that we had been given.

As for ESPN buying games that aren't on FOX, CBS Sports, or CSS. I don't see it ever happening. Hasn't yet, why would it?

If this all 100% completely true that the Big East will only have games on NBCSN and NBCSN ONLY (with no other option of showing Big East games on any other network[s]), then C-USA has way better exposure, just a downgraded product.

(02-13-2013 10:17 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  Who cares about trying to win any argument? At this point I believe unless there are positives in that deal that are not yet evident it would have been more valuable for all 6 defectors to have said no to the Big East and then take the leftovers into C-USA. Of course the first 4 that left couldn't have possibly imagined the deal would be this bad, and ECU and Tulane weren't choosing from 2010 C-USA vs 2014 Big East they were choosing between 2014 C-USA vs 2014 Big East. ECU and Tulane also left the door open to come back penalty free and that door is still open for several more months.

Bonds do you know for a fact that conf usa and ecu and tulane left the door open to return to cusa

(02-13-2013 10:37 AM)goherd17 Wrote:  

(02-13-2013 10:17 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  Who cares about trying to win any argument? At this point I believe unless there are positives in that deal that are not yet evident it would have been more valuable for all 6 defectors to have said no to the Big East and then take the leftovers into C-USA. Of course the first 4 that left couldn't have possibly imagined the deal would be this bad, and ECU and Tulane weren't choosing from 2010 C-USA vs 2014 Big East they were choosing between 2014 C-USA vs 2014 Big East. ECU and Tulane also left the door open to come back penalty free and that door is still open for several more months.

Bonds do you know for a fact that conf usa and ecu and tulane left the door open to return to cusa

And to piggyback on this question, does the same hold true for the Memphis, SMU et al group as well?

(02-13-2013 10:37 AM)goherd17 Wrote:  

(02-13-2013 10:17 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  Who cares about trying to win any argument? At this point I believe unless there are positives in that deal that are not yet evident it would have been more valuable for all 6 defectors to have said no to the Big East and then take the leftovers into C-USA. Of course the first 4 that left couldn't have possibly imagined the deal would be this bad, and ECU and Tulane weren't choosing from 2010 C-USA vs 2014 Big East they were choosing between 2014 C-USA vs 2014 Big East. ECU and Tulane also left the door open to come back penalty free and that door is still open for several more months.

Bonds do you know for a fact that conf usa and ecu and tulane left the door open to return to cusa

Only have the Landon article to go on about that info, but I'd assume it's probably true since it made sense then and makes even more sense now. It wasn't about C-USA leaving the door open, it was about Tulane and ECU leaving the door open by not officially withdrawing yet. I don't feel like searching for the article but if my memory serves they have a year from the date of declaring their intention to leave to officially withdraw, and before that time either could just say we've changed our mind we are staying and not pay the league any exit or entrance fee. The league would have the option to vote to boot them out of the league but that's not likely to happen.

(02-13-2013 10:42 AM)Blue Raider Dave Wrote:  

(02-13-2013 10:37 AM)goherd17 Wrote:  

(02-13-2013 10:17 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  Who cares about trying to win any argument? At this point I believe unless there are positives in that deal that are not yet evident it would have been more valuable for all 6 defectors to have said no to the Big East and then take the leftovers into C-USA. Of course the first 4 that left couldn't have possibly imagined the deal would be this bad, and ECU and Tulane weren't choosing from 2010 C-USA vs 2014 Big East they were choosing between 2014 C-USA vs 2014 Big East. ECU and Tulane also left the door open to come back penalty free and that door is still open for several more months.

Bonds do you know for a fact that conf usa and ecu and tulane left the door open to return to cusa

And to piggyback on this question, does the same hold true for the Memphis, SMU et al group as well?

Wouldn't hold true for them because it's been over a year since they announced their departure and they have officially withdrawn.

(02-13-2013 10:48 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(02-13-2013 10:37 AM)goherd17 Wrote:  

(02-13-2013 10:17 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  Who cares about trying to win any argument? At this point I believe unless there are positives in that deal that are not yet evident it would have been more valuable for all 6 defectors to have said no to the Big East and then take the leftovers into C-USA. Of course the first 4 that left couldn't have possibly imagined the deal would be this bad, and ECU and Tulane weren't choosing from 2010 C-USA vs 2014 Big East they were choosing between 2014 C-USA vs 2014 Big East. ECU and Tulane also left the door open to come back penalty free and that door is still open for several more months.

Bonds do you know for a fact that conf usa and ecu and tulane left the door open to return to cusa

Only have the Landon article to go on about that info, but I'd assume it's probably true since it made sense then and makes even more sense now. It wasn't about C-USA leaving the door open, it was about Tulane and ECU leaving the door open by not officially withdrawing yet. I don't feel like searching for the article but if my memory serves they have a year from the date of declaring their intention to leave to officially withdraw, and before that time either could just say we've changed our mind we are staying and not pay the league any exit or entrance fee. The league would have the option to vote to boot them out of the league but that's not likely to happen.

I'm not saying what you say isn't true, but if Landon is your only source you might want to find more sources.

(02-13-2013 10:49 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(02-13-2013 10:42 AM)Blue Raider Dave Wrote:  

(02-13-2013 10:37 AM)goherd17 Wrote:  

(02-13-2013 10:17 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  Who cares about trying to win any argument? At this point I believe unless there are positives in that deal that are not yet evident it would have been more valuable for all 6 defectors to have said no to the Big East and then take the leftovers into C-USA. Of course the first 4 that left couldn't have possibly imagined the deal would be this bad, and ECU and Tulane weren't choosing from 2010 C-USA vs 2014 Big East they were choosing between 2014 C-USA vs 2014 Big East. ECU and Tulane also left the door open to come back penalty free and that door is still open for several more months.

Bonds do you know for a fact that conf usa and ecu and tulane left the door open to return to cusa

And to piggyback on this question, does the same hold true for the Memphis, SMU et al group as well?

Wouldn't hold true for them because it's been over a year since they announced their departure and they have officially withdrawn.

Gotcha. Many thanks for clearing that up.

(02-13-2013 10:51 AM)MUsince96 Wrote:  

(02-13-2013 10:48 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(02-13-2013 10:37 AM)goherd17 Wrote:  

(02-13-2013 10:17 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  Who cares about trying to win any argument? At this point I believe unless there are positives in that deal that are not yet evident it would have been more valuable for all 6 defectors to have said no to the Big East and then take the leftovers into C-USA. Of course the first 4 that left couldn't have possibly imagined the deal would be this bad, and ECU and Tulane weren't choosing from 2010 C-USA vs 2014 Big East they were choosing between 2014 C-USA vs 2014 Big East. ECU and Tulane also left the door open to come back penalty free and that door is still open for several more months.

Bonds do you know for a fact that conf usa and ecu and tulane left the door open to return to cusa

Only have the Landon article to go on about that info, but I'd assume it's probably true since it made sense then and makes even more sense now. It wasn't about C-USA leaving the door open, it was about Tulane and ECU leaving the door open by not officially withdrawing yet. I don't feel like searching for the article but if my memory serves they have a year from the date of declaring their intention to leave to officially withdraw, and before that time either could just say we've changed our mind we are staying and not pay the league any exit or entrance fee. The league would have the option to vote to boot them out of the league but that's not likely to happen.

I'm not saying what you say isn't true, but if Landon is your only source you might want to find more sources.

I've had no urge to look or ask because I thought there was zero shot we'd actually have to resort to it. I still think the odds are really low, but much higher than zero now.

(02-13-2013 10:53 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(02-13-2013 10:51 AM)MUsince96 Wrote:  

(02-13-2013 10:48 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(02-13-2013 10:37 AM)goherd17 Wrote:  

(02-13-2013 10:17 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  Who cares about trying to win any argument? At this point I believe unless there are positives in that deal that are not yet evident it would have been more valuable for all 6 defectors to have said no to the Big East and then take the leftovers into C-USA. Of course the first 4 that left couldn't have possibly imagined the deal would be this bad, and ECU and Tulane weren't choosing from 2010 C-USA vs 2014 Big East they were choosing between 2014 C-USA vs 2014 Big East. ECU and Tulane also left the door open to come back penalty free and that door is still open for several more months.

Bonds do you know for a fact that conf usa and ecu and tulane left the door open to return to cusa

Only have the Landon article to go on about that info, but I'd assume it's probably true since it made sense then and makes even more sense now. It wasn't about C-USA leaving the door open, it was about Tulane and ECU leaving the door open by not officially withdrawing yet. I don't feel like searching for the article but if my memory serves they have a year from the date of declaring their intention to leave to officially withdraw, and before that time either could just say we've changed our mind we are staying and not pay the league any exit or entrance fee. The league would have the option to vote to boot them out of the league but that's not likely to happen.

I'm not saying what you say isn't true, but if Landon is your only source you might want to find more sources.

I've had no urge to look or ask because I thought there was zero shot we'd actually have to resort to it. I still think the odds are really low, but much higher than zero now.

I'll miss being in a league with you all. I annually look forward to our game. You guys also add 'name' credibility to our schedule in a state where MU is typically looked down on for who we play. Perhaps we'll continue OOC one day.

(02-13-2013 10:26 AM)MUsince96 Wrote:  This is actually something I hadn't thought of. Fox Sports 1 is rumored to start in August. This could be good for C-USA. The games that are picked up by FOX can now be aired on a legit basic tier channel to rival ESPN instead of the regional FOX broadcasts that we had been given.

As for ESPN buying games that aren't on FOX, CBS Sports, or CSS. I don't see it ever happening. Hasn't yet, why would it?

Actually, last year or two, the MWC (CBSSports) sold some of this CBSSports controlled games to ESPN Networks...plus, the renovated MWC TV Deal with CBSSports actually opens up more opportunities to 'sell' games to different networks.

No clue if the new Big East TV Deal(s) or CUSA's next tv deal (2016-2017) will allow those options.

I have little doubt that at some point in the not too distant future ECU will either be back in a league with Marshall or we'll play regularly OOC. Too much history and connection there for that series to just completely die.

(02-13-2013 10:13 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(02-13-2013 09:25 AM)Tallgrass Wrote:  

(02-13-2013 09:19 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(02-13-2013 08:50 AM)Tallgrass Wrote:  Furthermore, CUSA now has the inside track to ESPN and FOX.

Inside track to what?

CUSA is locked in their current annual $14 Million TV contract with CBS Sports & FOX through 2015-2016 season...and CUSA is still waiting to see if their TV partners will kick in clauses that calls for lesser payments due to losing certain teams to other conferences.

Inside track to what?

Leftovers?

Div I-AA Playoffs?

Looks like our Nbe bretheren are having a tough morning...

Ok...so you openly admit that you were clueless about the current CUSA TV Contract...and even though its been noted scores of times over the last 2 years, not surprised how you still didn't even understand the basics, let alone the timeline of that deal.

B12 went to bed Friday nite thinking it was a goner as a conference; Monday morning it was announced B12 had a new $20M contract. It doesn't take long to renegotiate a new tv contract. CUSA is only three years away from its current contract expiring and will probably start renegotions at the end of two years. To this old man, this is a few years. But CUSA is in a good position, and not the position of for example MWC which locked itself into a 10 year contract or ACC which also struggled with its long term contract.

I have made no predictions regarding the amount of $$$$ in a future CUSA contract. You probably conscrued my words as saying that. WHat I said is CUSA is well positioned, the tv contract will be renegotiated in a few years and there will be no NonAQ competitors. This is not the same as saying CUSA's tv contract will increase in dollars. Really, do you think I am as stupid as Nbe posters? To make outrageous claims without fact or data?

UCF had a very good football team and has the second largest student enrollment in USA, approaching 60,000 I believe. Yet, when I turned on the TV, UCF's football stadium was half-empty. There are reasons the Nbe has a tv contract worth less than $2M per Nbe school.

CUSA fans shouldn't be gloating over this deal. It simply shows the networks are putting out the Red carpet for the big 4.5 and making the rest walk in the dirt. As for CUSA and ESPN when current tv deals are done, You still will have same problem, ESPN won't want you for anything other than week night fillers.

(02-13-2013 09:10 AM)Tallgrass Wrote:  

(02-13-2013 08:56 AM)adluther Wrote:  may have an open track for the BE, but the pitiful (in comparison to what was expected) TV deal for the Big East is a bad sign of things to come for other NQ leagues as well. If the good teams with good followings from larger cities in the non-AQ leagues pulls what they pulled, imagine what prior sunbelt now CUSA 4.0 teams will be bringing in on the next contract. The further down the BE goes, the further down CUSA goes. There is a pecking order, whether you want to admit it or not.

You Nbe guyz keep pulling things out of the thin air, and then try to pass it off to us CUSA guyz as the gospel truth on this board. Hasn't MIddle Tennessee beat Memphis about five or more years in a row? This, and other reasons, is why Nbe tv contract is so low. This making up of "facts" is how you Nbe guyz got yourself in a pickle in the first place. Nbe is the laughing stock of football, mocked on all the sports boards.

LOL, are you saying top to bottom CUSA is better then the NBE? I'm not one to come on the CUSA board and be a prick, but get real dude. the nBE is greater than CUSA, in both major sports. the nBE took some of the top teams in football year after year, (key word is some, ECU, UFC and UH left, Tulsa and ... USM on based on the past) and took the best basketball talent out of the league, and you replaced this with a bunch of Sun Belt teams and FCS programs. ...the replacement teams are inferior teams. Get real.

Not right now but can be better one day. Just have to wait and see. And give the belt hell all you want but MTSU has kicked your a$$ numerous times

(02-13-2013 09:19 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  and CUSA is still waiting to see if their TV partners will kick in clauses that calls for lesser payments due to losing certain teams to other conferences.

where did this silly idea come from? It's been said more than dozens of times, the ONLY way the clauses kick in for payment reductions to C-USA was if they dont' have a CCG.

Why is that so hard to understand for those of you leaving (who are trying to pawn this off on C-USA's future), and those who didn't like our fast adds when teams were announced they were leaving.

(the coverage is a general "area" response.. so don't go balistic if it's not the exact same areas.)

We lose Memphis, we picked up MTSU. (Tennessee area covered)
We lose Houston, we picked up UTSA (San Antonio area covered)
We lose SMU, we picked up UNT (Dallas area covered)
We lose UCF, we picked up FIU/FAU (florida covered)
We lose ECU, we picked up Charlotte (Carolina covered)
We pick up ODU (East coast covered)
We lose Tulane, we picked up La Tech (Louisiana covered)

Yes, we lose the city of New Orleans.. but did we ever really have it?
Yes, we lost the city of Orlando, but we pick up a little ground in Miami area.

And we still have enough teams for a CCG... so NO REDUCTION in payments.

(02-13-2013 12:35 PM)DaSaintFan Wrote:  

(02-13-2013 09:19 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  and CUSA is still waiting to see if their TV partners will kick in clauses that calls for lesser payments due to losing certain teams to other conferences.

where did this silly idea come from? It's been said more than dozens of times, the ONLY way the clauses kick in for payment reductions to C-USA was if they dont' have a CCG.

Why is that so hard to understand for those of you leaving (who are trying to pawn this off on C-USA's future), and those who didn't like our fast adds when teams were announced they were leaving.

(the coverage is a general "area" response.. so don't go balistic if it's not the exact same areas.)

We lose Memphis, we picked up MTSU. (Tennessee area covered)
We lose Houston, we picked up UTSA (San Antonio area covered)
We lose SMU, we picked up UNT (Dallas area covered)
We lose UCF, we picked up FIU/FAU (florida covered)
We lose ECU, we picked up Charlotte (Carolina covered)
We pick up ODU (East coast covered)
We lose Tulane, we picked up La Tech (Louisiana covered)

Yes, we lose the city of New Orleans.. but did we ever really have it?
Yes, we lost the city of Orlando, but we pick up a little ground in Miami area.

And we still have enough teams for a CCG... so NO REDUCTION in payments.

Good post, DSF. And love your pic at the end. We're pulling for all of you guys in the aftermath of the tornado.