(02-13-2013 10:21 AM)FIUFan Wrote:  

(02-13-2013 09:37 AM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote:  Whatever happens next we won't know until 2016 when C-USA's contracts expire. I have a feeling that - by then - with the new networks started at NBC and Fox that there is going to be so much clamoring for content (particularly live content that does not traditionally get DVR'd) that everyone's bottom line from TV revenues is going to go up - even the Sun Belt's.

The issue with the Sun Belt is that they no longer have a presence in the Florida market, and there is no possibility of one for at least a decade.

Dunno... i think they'll be offering UNF in the very near future Sun Belt membership. I can't see them sitting outside that market for long if they don't want to end up stagnating.

(02-13-2013 12:35 PM)DaSaintFan Wrote:  

(02-13-2013 09:19 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  and CUSA is still waiting to see if their TV partners will kick in clauses that calls for lesser payments due to losing certain teams to other conferences.

where did this silly idea come from? It's been said more than dozens of times, the ONLY way the clauses kick in for payment reductions to C-USA was if they dont' have a CCG.

Why is that so hard to understand for those of you leaving (who are trying to pawn this off on C-USA's future), and those who didn't like our fast adds when teams were announced they were leaving.

(the coverage is a general "area" response.. so don't go balistic if it's not the exact same areas.)

We lose Memphis, we picked up MTSU. (Tennessee area covered)
We lose Houston, we picked up UTSA (San Antonio area covered)
We lose SMU, we picked up UNT (Dallas area covered)
We lose UCF, we picked up FIU/FAU (florida covered)
We lose ECU, we picked up Charlotte (Carolina covered)
We pick up ODU (East coast covered)
We lose Tulane, we picked up La Tech (Louisiana covered)

Yes, we lose the city of New Orleans.. but did we ever really have it?
Yes, we lost the city of Orlando, but we pick up a little ground in Miami area.

And we still have enough teams for a CCG... so NO REDUCTION in payments.

Remember, this is all about football dollars....so I don't want to hear about hoops...which I still think in the long run CUSA wins out

.....AND, who is to say these adds don't eclipse those that left in shear talent...some new adds are already better

I like our spot, and in a few years if some begin to materialize on the field AND assuming Cincy, UCONN, Temple, etc....leave, we will be better positioned long term...could be a Revenge of the Nerds scenario

C-USA also added 40% in potential viewers with the new conference adds.

(02-13-2013 12:50 PM)MUsince96 Wrote:  C-USA also added 40% in potential viewers with the new conference adds.

Xactly! In today's psyche, would I rather have schools that have fallen by the wayside in the talent gene pool, or would I want the starving group that appreciates a chance?

http://www.dnj.com/viewart/20130213/BLUE...-Nashville


Basketball tourney in Nashville wouldn't be bad.

(02-13-2013 09:10 AM)Tallgrass Wrote:  

(02-13-2013 08:56 AM)adluther Wrote:  may have an open track for the BE, but the pitiful (in comparison to what was expected) TV deal for the Big East is a bad sign of things to come for other NQ leagues as well. If the good teams with good followings from larger cities in the non-AQ leagues pulls what they pulled, imagine what prior sunbelt now CUSA 4.0 teams will be bringing in on the next contract. The further down the BE goes, the further down CUSA goes. There is a pecking order, whether you want to admit it or not.

You Nbe guyz keep pulling things out of the thin air, and then try to pass it off to us CUSA guyz as the gospel truth on this board. Hasn't MIddle Tennessee beat Memphis about five or more years in a row? This, and other reasons, is why Nbe tv contract is so low. This making up of "facts" is how you Nbe guyz got yourself in a pickle in the first place. Nbe is the laughing stock of football, mocked on all the sports boards.

God I hope Tulsa does stick it to these Biatches that pulled a Loserville move by trying to "move up" and damage CUSA. I have said this before and I will say it again "CUSA has improved with the additions of the new schools added". UCF was a fxxking joke before they joined CUSA, USF is their thug light wet dream, UC had not won a bowl game in 50 years before joining CUSA, Memphis is not a football school, Tulane irrelevant for the last 30 years except for 1998, must I go on. This shiznit is just stupid and I told all the big mouths form ECU, UCF, Houston exactly what would transpire. We all had a good idea what the new "big easy" would be worth. Enjoy you douche bags.

$2M isn't much reward. Especially when the fee for leaving is in the $6M neighborhood. I still don't see how CUSA would get a better TV contract though.

(02-13-2013 08:56 AM)adluther Wrote:  may have an open track for the BE, but the pitiful (in comparison to what was expected) TV deal for the Big East is a bad sign of things to come for other NQ leagues as well. If the good teams with good followings from larger cities in the non-AQ leagues pulls what they pulled, imagine what prior sunbelt now CUSA 4.0 teams will be bringing in on the next contract. The further down the BE goes, the further down CUSA goes. There is a pecking order, whether you want to admit it or not.

You are correct - (1) cartel. (2) non-cartel.

We shall see...similar markets; similar football (whether you care to admit it or not....composite "Sagarin" leaving C-USA members is the exact same to four decimal points as the "Sagarin" newbie C-USA members); basketball - weaker than n/be but overall stronger top to bottom than 2012 C-USA basketball. And the REAL kicker --- anyone who has departed is going to be breaking even or losing money on the n/be tv deal....2.5-6m departure fees (500k plus x # of years C-USA revenue) and 2.5m buy in fees to the n/be). Heck, with the amount of net money memphis is going to see, the next C-USA tv contract can be $0 and they would have been better off.

YES - there is little doubt I'd prefer to continue playing the teams we've played for very long periods of time. That's not going to happen and I'm not real happy about it. STILL, the teams we will be playing are every bit as good as the teams we used to play.....and our basketball schedule will improve from top to bottom.

(02-13-2013 10:17 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  Who cares about trying to win any argument? At this point I believe unless there are positives in that deal that are not yet evident it would have been more valuable for all 6 defectors to have said no to the Big East and then take the leftovers into C-USA. Of course the first 4 that left couldn't have possibly imagined the deal would be this bad, and ECU and Tulane weren't choosing from 2010 C-USA vs 2014 Big East they were choosing between 2014 C-USA vs 2014 Big East. ECU and Tulane also left the door open to come back penalty free and that door is still open for several more months.

If true (door remaining open for tulane and ecu to once again become Tulane and ECU) then it's probably best that you do so. Keep your $$$$ for buy-outs and buy-ins, wait for the cartel to finish their plundering and take advantage of opportunities that will present themselves at that time.

RIGHT NOW - the non cartel group is mostly in survival mode only. Once the cartel group is finished determining exactly who their 64 will be and the rationing of their mega-pie among those 64, the non cartel guys will become aggressive rather than remain in survival mode. By that time C-USA could easily be in the drivers seat for the eastern side of the country non cartel schools. At THIS point the only noticeable differences are cinci and uconn (sorry usf but you are back to being a nobody, and a nobody with nothing better to offer than any other non cartel school in florida)...lose those two schools and you (tulane and ecu) could find yourself having made the wrong decision.

(02-13-2013 10:34 AM)goldenhurricane2 Wrote:  If this all 100% completely true that the Big East will only have games on NBCSN and NBCSN ONLY (with no other option of showing Big East games on any other network[s]), then C-USA has way better exposure, just a downgraded product.

NO, it is NOT a downgraded product. Just look at the composite Sagarin numbers for those departing and those coming in....it's a different, but eerily equal, product.

(02-13-2013 11:03 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(02-13-2013 10:26 AM)MUsince96 Wrote:  This is actually something I hadn't thought of. Fox Sports 1 is rumored to start in August. This could be good for C-USA. The games that are picked up by FOX can now be aired on a legit basic tier channel to rival ESPN instead of the regional FOX broadcasts that we had been given.

As for ESPN buying games that aren't on FOX, CBS Sports, or CSS. I don't see it ever happening. Hasn't yet, why would it?

Actually, last year or two, the MWC (CBSSports) sold some of this CBSSports controlled games to ESPN Networks...plus, the renovated MWC TV Deal with CBSSports actually opens up more opportunities to 'sell' games to different networks.

No clue if the new Big East TV Deal(s) or CUSA's next tv deal (2016-2017) will allow those options.

Question - if NBC owns (assuming contract is signed) the full inventory of b-ball and football, who benefits from the sale of that inventory? It seems the network would since they "own" the game, not the respective schools.