The old saying goes that the smallet house on a block full of expensive houses is worth more than the biggest house on a block of cheap houses.

However, while that may be true, which house is mor elikely to impress a lovely lady?

That's sort of the choice between ESPN and NBC.

(02-12-2013 07:31 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  OK, as pretend leader of the C-7, here's my proposal:

We get you a one-year, $54M deal for the combined basketball league from Fox.

We get the name and half of the SU/Pitt/WVU/UL credits. You get the exit fees (and the entry fees, if you feel like moving money from your left pocket to your right pocket.)

You get another year to figure out what the heck you're going to do.

Have you not been paying attention? Here's an idea for the new C7 logo.

(02-12-2013 07:33 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  The old saying goes that the smallet house on a block full of expensive houses is worth more than the biggest house on a block of cheap houses.

However, while that may be true, which house is mor elikely to impress a lovely lady?

That's sort of the choice between ESPN and NBC.

Get yourself a hooker. It's a more honest relationship. LOL

This is the same guy that said Boise would be staying about 6 days before they left.

(02-12-2013 06:22 PM)Bleeds_Purple Wrote:  I said it first! lol

Actually I said it first.

(02-12-2013 07:19 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  The kicker here is that according to the report, there is a higher offer on the table from ESPN. Now I don't know if that offer is still good since they did not take it, but it said the NBC offer was the best deal, and paid the second most.

So it sounds like the choice is between a low deal to be featured on NBC or a better paying deal (how much better I don't know) to have midweek, ESPNU, and ESPN3 games.

My question is if ESPN gets the right to match the bargain basement price and keep the Big East rights--why wouldnt they? They would basically get the Big East rights virtually for free and once again block NBC from FBS football. They could throw a nBE game under the bus on Thursday nights against the NFL and either put a game or two on ESPN-3 or just use the inventory as filler when needed--otherwise, just let most of the inventory rot unused on the shelf. More or less, ESPN could cause NBC-Sports to continue to wither on the vine while busting off the execution style nBE kill shot.

Did anyone pick up on this insult?

Quote:The current Big East will emerge as a 10 team football league without a true dominant Top 100 contender on a consistent basis.

I'm pretty sure the BE can hang in the Top 100, otherwise the entire conference would be in the bottom 27. :joecool:

(02-12-2013 08:08 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(02-12-2013 07:19 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  The kicker here is that according to the report, there is a higher offer on the table from ESPN. Now I don't know if that offer is still good since they did not take it, but it said the NBC offer was the best deal, and paid the second most.

So it sounds like the choice is between a low deal to be featured on NBC or a better paying deal (how much better I don't know) to have midweek, ESPNU, and ESPN3 games.

My question is if ESPN gets the right to match the bargain basement price and keep the Big East rights--why wouldnt they? They would basically get the Big East rights virtually for free and once again block NBC from FBS football. They could throw a nBE game under the bus on Thursday nights against the NFL and either put a game or two on ESPN-3 or just bury the inventory since apparnatly its worthless. More or less, ESPN could cause NBC-Sports to continue to wither away while busting off the execution style kill shot of the nBE.

Could be like the C-USA deal they didn't match in which they would not guarantee the amount of Saturday games on TV necessary.

(02-12-2013 07:31 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  OK, as pretend leader of the C-7, here's my proposal:

We get you a one-year, $54M deal for the combined basketball league from Fox.

We get the name and half of the SU/Pitt/WVU/UL credits. You get the exit fees (and the entry fees, if you feel like moving money from your left pocket to your right pocket.)

You get another year to figure out what the heck you're going to do.

This is brilliant

(02-12-2013 08:08 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(02-12-2013 07:19 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  The kicker here is that according to the report, there is a higher offer on the table from ESPN. Now I don't know if that offer is still good since they did not take it, but it said the NBC offer was the best deal, and paid the second most.

So it sounds like the choice is between a low deal to be featured on NBC or a better paying deal (how much better I don't know) to have midweek, ESPNU, and ESPN3 games.

My question is if ESPN gets the right to match the bargain basement price and keep the Big East rights--why wouldnt they? They would basically get the Big East rights virtually for free and once again block NBC from FBS football. They could throw a nBE game under the bus on Thursday nights against the NFL and either put a game or two on ESPN-3 or just bury the inventory since apparnatly its worthless. More or less, ESPN could cause NBC-Sports to continue to wither away while busting off the execution style kill shot of the nBE.

As other have pointed out, the contract would have to have some appearance guarantees. CUSA's old contract with ESPN specified how many games would be on certain times on certain days. I would imagine that this deal wouldn't be any different.

But yeah, I fear the same. If ESPN gets it, they keep NBC out of CFB (except ND and FCS) and could bury the BE on ESPN3 or limit it to regional coverage (and cite some BS about ratings or demand or something along those lines).

One thing that could make a huge difference in making ESPN reject it is specifying a certain number of games on a national OTA network. Not even ESPN can match that as ABC picks what ESPN games they want to show, and they're not going to want to show BE games when they can show ACC, B1G, SEC, or XII games instead.

Is there a possibility we could work some games on the NBC main channel?

(02-12-2013 08:23 PM)pirateradio97 Wrote:  Is there a possibility we could work some games on the NBC main channel?

Better be or this deal is a debacle of the highest order.

(02-12-2013 08:08 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(02-12-2013 07:19 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  

My question is if ESPN gets the right to match the bargain basement price and keep the Big East rights--why wouldnt they? They would basically get the Big East rights virtually for free and once again block NBC from FBS football. They could throw a nBE game under the bus on Thursday nights against the NFL and either put a game or two on ESPN-3 or just use the inventory as filler when needed--otherwise, just let most of the inventory rot unused on the shelf. More or less, ESPN could cause NBC-Sports to continue to wither away while busting off the execution style kill shot of the nBE.

One thing to remember, it is matching the contract, not just the price. If you do sign or agree with NBC you need to make the exposure as good as possible and force ESPN into better time slots.

I dnt think we want anything to do with ESPN..They will bury us on ESPN 3 and Weeknight Games..

I think you almost have to deal with ESPN. I would prefer a pretty big tier on deal at x$$$ and smaller ESPN tier 2 at x-$$. If the 2 get you to or above the NBC only deal you have done about the best you can do. anything you can get out of tier 3 is just gravy. The main thing is in the end you need to be the top of the gang of 5 even if not by a big margin. And also get the best bowl package of the bunch. I really think we are going to get killed in the bowl game hunt as well.

(02-12-2013 08:14 PM)CommuterBob Wrote:  

(02-12-2013 08:08 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(02-12-2013 07:19 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  The kicker here is that according to the report, there is a higher offer on the table from ESPN. Now I don't know if that offer is still good since they did not take it, but it said the NBC offer was the best deal, and paid the second most.

So it sounds like the choice is between a low deal to be featured on NBC or a better paying deal (how much better I don't know) to have midweek, ESPNU, and ESPN3 games.

My question is if ESPN gets the right to match the bargain basement price and keep the Big East rights--why wouldnt they? They would basically get the Big East rights virtually for free and once again block NBC from FBS football. They could throw a nBE game under the bus on Thursday nights against the NFL and either put a game or two on ESPN-3 or just bury the inventory since apparnatly its worthless. More or less, ESPN could cause NBC-Sports to continue to wither away while busting off the execution style kill shot of the nBE.

As other have pointed out, the contract would have to have some appearance guarantees. CUSA's old contract with ESPN specified how many games would be on certain times on certain days. I would imagine that this deal wouldn't be any different.

But yeah, I fear the same. If ESPN gets it, they keep NBC out of CFB (except ND and FCS) and could bury the BE on ESPN3 or limit it to regional coverage (and cite some BS about ratings or demand or something along those lines).

One thing that could make a huge difference in making ESPN reject it is specifying a certain number of games on a national OTA network. Not even ESPN can match that as ABC picks what ESPN games they want to show, and they're not going to want to show BE games when they can show ACC, B1G, SEC, or XII games instead.

I guess the question is --do they actually have to match that exposure? Or does a national telecast on ESPN-U count. I could see them doing something really sorry like a delayed 1AM telecast on ESPN-2.

Oh if this league that was built to get a good TV deal only can't get that then no way is it going to do well with bowl games.

(02-12-2013 08:45 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(02-12-2013 08:14 PM)CommuterBob Wrote:  

(02-12-2013 08:08 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(02-12-2013 07:19 PM)adcorbett Wrote:  The kicker here is that according to the report, there is a higher offer on the table from ESPN. Now I don't know if that offer is still good since they did not take it, but it said the NBC offer was the best deal, and paid the second most.

So it sounds like the choice is between a low deal to be featured on NBC or a better paying deal (how much better I don't know) to have midweek, ESPNU, and ESPN3 games.

My question is if ESPN gets the right to match the bargain basement price and keep the Big East rights--why wouldnt they? They would basically get the Big East rights virtually for free and once again block NBC from FBS football. They could throw a nBE game under the bus on Thursday nights against the NFL and either put a game or two on ESPN-3 or just bury the inventory since apparnatly its worthless. More or less, ESPN could cause NBC-Sports to continue to wither away while busting off the execution style kill shot of the nBE.

As other have pointed out, the contract would have to have some appearance guarantees. CUSA's old contract with ESPN specified how many games would be on certain times on certain days. I would imagine that this deal wouldn't be any different.

But yeah, I fear the same. If ESPN gets it, they keep NBC out of CFB (except ND and FCS) and could bury the BE on ESPN3 or limit it to regional coverage (and cite some BS about ratings or demand or something along those lines).

One thing that could make a huge difference in making ESPN reject it is specifying a certain number of games on a national OTA network. Not even ESPN can match that as ABC picks what ESPN games they want to show, and they're not going to want to show BE games when they can show ACC, B1G, SEC, or XII games instead.

I guess the question is --do they actually have to match that exposure? Or does a national telecast on ESPN-U count. I could see them doing something really sorry like a delayed 1AM telecast on ESPN-2.

They MIGHT have to maintain the same level of exposure as the old Big East. I don't see how they could void the terms that were in the old contract. But I was way wrong on how the RFR treated exposure levels for non-ESPN bidders.

(02-12-2013 08:42 PM)goodknightfl Wrote:  I think you almost have to deal with ESPN. I would prefer a pretty big tier on deal at x$$$ and smaller ESPN tier 2 at x-$$. If the 2 get you to or above the NBC only deal you have done about the best you can do. anything you can get out of tier 3 is just gravy. The main thing is in the end you need to be the top of the gang of 5 even if not by a big margin. And also get the best bowl package of the bunch. I really think we are going to get killed in the bowl game hunt as well.

I think the league is history. No way Cincy or UConn is hanging aroud for this---and I suspect Navy already makes more than 2 million a year. In fact, a 12 team league would only pay each member 1.6 million a year---about what CUSA is making this year and probably less than what the Mountain West will make next year. It appears that in the final analysis--non-AQ football is all valued roughly the same.

(02-12-2013 08:45 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  Oh if this league that was built to get a good TV deal only can't get that then no way is it going to do well with bowl games.

I think we can expect the old CUSA bowl line up at best. Nothing else has changed, why would that?