(02-12-2013 10:47 AM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  

(02-12-2013 10:11 AM)EmeryZach Wrote:  

(02-12-2013 10:02 AM)Dayons_Den Wrote:  NCAA could get involved for "lack of institutional control" issues. IF and that is a big IF the stories of multi-year relationships with undergraduates and undergraduate student athletes on scholarship went on without reprimand or even notice I'd say the NCAA would have a right to step in and impose some sanctions. Not to mention providing alcohol to minors and operation state owned/rented vehicles while inebriated are all pretty serious offenses if found to be true.

Very true. Toledo needs to be prepared to face this head on.

Take a look at "BigMac's" post over on the UT board in the Coach Hadsell thread. She's the mother of a UT runner. Interesting post.

For Big Mac's sake ( and his wife's) I'll note that he is the FATHER of former UT runners.

I have to say, I do love the text message correspondences. It definitely seems like he doesn't realize he is 42 years old.

After watching "Silver Linings Playbook", I am pretty certain that everyone has some sort of mental illness.

(02-12-2013 11:14 AM)H2Oville Rocket Wrote:  

(02-12-2013 10:47 AM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  

(02-12-2013 10:11 AM)EmeryZach Wrote:  

(02-12-2013 10:02 AM)Dayons_Den Wrote:  NCAA could get involved for "lack of institutional control" issues. IF and that is a big IF the stories of multi-year relationships with undergraduates and undergraduate student athletes on scholarship went on without reprimand or even notice I'd say the NCAA would have a right to step in and impose some sanctions. Not to mention providing alcohol to minors and operation state owned/rented vehicles while inebriated are all pretty serious offenses if found to be true.

Very true. Toledo needs to be prepared to face this head on.

Take a look at "BigMac's" post over on the UT board in the Coach Hadsell thread. he's the muther of a UT runner. Interesting post.

For Big Mac's sake ( and his wife's) I'll note that he is the FATHER of former UT runners.

My bad. Had Danzig on the brain.

Besides Big Mac's side of things. Do any of you Toledo guys have an opinion on what happened, or possibly heard more details?

(02-12-2013 08:38 AM)MidnightBlueGold Wrote:  

(02-12-2013 08:19 AM)EmeryZach Wrote:  I hope for you guys that the school handles this quickly and appropriately before the NCAA comes marching in. It sounds like they've taken the right steps so far.

There's no reason for the NCAA to get involved.

Sure there is... They Botched the Miami investigation and somebody, preferably a mid major, must pay!

(02-12-2013 10:53 AM)El Grande Flippero Wrote:  Point shaving scheme involving multiple sports...former basketball coach running income to the program "off the books" from the rest of the University...Coach "slap and tickle" running the track program...

Hadsell by himself is not enough to warrant NCAA involvement. But the problem is, Hadsell is just one incident in many that could bring the NCAA coming back to Toledo for a more thorough investigation.

(02-12-2013 12:16 PM)Bull_In_Exile Wrote:  They Botched the Miami investigation and somebody, preferably a mid major, must pay!

That's embarrassing to Toledo and that coach. He texts like he is 17. If my daughter ever encounters a "coach" like this in college...Grrrrrr!!

Reading this overaged adolescent's texts reminds me of another narcissist taken down by an overactive pair of thumbs...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/04/29...99315.html

(02-12-2013 11:44 AM)EmeryZach Wrote:  Besides Big Mac's side of things. Do any of you Toledo guys have an opinion on what happened, or possibly heard more details?

If the texts were truly from Hadsell then he crossed a line and deserved to lose his job. Don't hook up with your athletes...

Has Toledo come out with any new statements yet? Or are they just waiting for the story to blow over?

(02-13-2013 04:07 PM)EmeryZach Wrote:  Has Toledo come out with any new statements yet? Or are they just waiting for the story to blow over?

I don't think it is a situation that requires further comment from the AD personally.

(02-13-2013 04:05 PM)Rocket_Fanatic Wrote:  

(02-12-2013 11:44 AM)EmeryZach Wrote:  Besides Big Mac's side of things. Do any of you Toledo guys have an opinion on what happened, or possibly heard more details?

If the texts were truly from Hadsell then he crossed a line and deserved to lose his job. Don't hook up with your athletes...

I completely agree. Even IF the student-athlete was the one who started the conversations (like Hadsell claims), he should still be smart enough to not lead her on or talk in that manner.

(02-13-2013 04:07 PM)EmeryZach Wrote:  Has Toledo come out with any new statements yet? Or are they just waiting for the story to blow over?

The story was over when Hadsell resigned. The info came out, the coach was axed, the team moved on. Because you are just now hearing about it doesn't mean the story isn't over.

Why is it over? I think there's a fair amount of unanswered questions to be dealt with. There appeared to be a pattern of this kind of behavoir...why didn't any athletes come forward prior to this? What steps will the university take to ensure a culture of compliance with it's own rules re player/coach relationships? How was a coach able to drive a team van while intoxicated with no reprecussions? How does something like that occur with the University hierarchy being unaware of it...if in fact they were unaware of it.

To just say "eh...dude's gone, let's move on" is inviting more problems because you're ignorig the culture that allowed this crap to occur and go on unchecked.

Hey Flip---Where were you when Monica Lewinsky needed your help?

(02-13-2013 10:55 PM)El Grande Flippero Wrote:  Why is it over? I think there's a fair amount of unanswered questions to be dealt with. There appeared to be a pattern of this kind of behavoir...why didn't any athletes come forward prior to this? What steps will the university take to ensure a culture of compliance with it's own rules re player/coach relationships? How was a coach able to drive a team van while intoxicated with no reprecussions? How does something like that occur with the University hierarchy being unaware of it...if in fact they were unaware of it.

To just say "eh...dude's gone, let's move on" is inviting more problems because you're ignorig the culture that allowed this crap to occur and go on unchecked.

The Blade and their "media partner" Channel 13 have been reporting more on the story daily as they dig for answers. I was not able to watch the interview, but the AD was on camera answering questions on Wednesday. There may be unanswered questions to many of us, but there are also issues of privacy for the women who are or were on the team and may or may not have been involved. IMO, you're glossing over the fact that the guy was given the opportunity to resign before he was fired. It was one or the other. He was gone either way. And this isn't just some guy they would have liked to have gotten rid of anyway. This was a guy who raised the program to the top, who have been promoted, who was recognized for coaching excellence. None of the allegations were made public by anyone. In short, if the university was not doing what it should, he would still be the coach. That he is not speaks well of the AD and the university.

(02-13-2013 10:55 PM)El Grande Flippero Wrote:  Why is it over? I think there's a fair amount of unanswered questions to be dealt with. There appeared to be a pattern of this kind of behavoir...why didn't any athletes come forward prior to this? What steps will the university take to ensure a culture of compliance with it's own rules re player/coach relationships? How was a coach able to drive a team van while intoxicated with no reprecussions? How does something like that occur with the University hierarchy being unaware of it...if in fact they were unaware of it.

To just say "eh...dude's gone, let's move on" is inviting more problems because you're ignorig the culture that allowed this crap to occur and go on unchecked.

It's over because the guy was fired. EZ appears to be interested in salacious details and, for reasons Karl states, UT will not be releasing those nor should they. The press will continue to try to get that info but what happened is over and it ended when Hadsell resigned. And the quote is simply "Dude's gone, move on".

I have no doubt there will be (and should be) internal investigations and policy review. If athletes aren't trained on this stuff they need to be-this is hardly the first time this sort of thing has happened and every school should have something inplace.

Public employee. Freedom of Information Act. The tough details will be released sooner or later.

(02-13-2013 09:24 PM)H2Oville Rocket Wrote:  

(02-13-2013 04:07 PM)EmeryZach Wrote:  Has Toledo come out with any new statements yet? Or are they just waiting for the story to blow over?

The story was over when Hadsell resigned. The info came out, the coach was axed, the team moved on. Because you are just now hearing about it doesn't mean the story isn't over.

What a ridiculous statement.

You cannot just wash your hands of a situation by disassociating yourself with involved parties.

(02-14-2013 08:07 AM)The Optimist Wrote:  

(02-13-2013 09:24 PM)H2Oville Rocket Wrote:  

(02-13-2013 04:07 PM)EmeryZach Wrote:  Has Toledo come out with any new statements yet? Or are they just waiting for the story to blow over?

The story was over when Hadsell resigned. The info came out, the coach was axed, the team moved on. Because you are just now hearing about it doesn't mean the story isn't over.

What a ridiculous statement.

You cannot just wash your hands of a situation by disassociating yourself with involved parties.

That "Whoosh" sound was the whole point flying over your head.