Is the name really that important? The only value I see in the BE name is value that the C7 will pay for it. Let them leave 2014 without an exit fee. We keep all the $68mil & C7 can have the name. Then EBSPN would not control our TV negotiations.

Cocaine is a hell of a drug.

The Corp Identity that is the BE, will be with the FB schools. The C7 is leaving. The actual name has nothing to do with the contract Espn had. If B12 became B16 contracts are not void.

(02-12-2013 07:25 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  The Corp Identity that is the BE, will be with the FB schools. The C7 is leaving. The actual name has nothing to do with the contract Espn had. If B12 became B16 contracts are not void.

Although knowing about the right-of-first-refusal language, the football schools should have thought harder about splitting and living without an automatic bid for a while.

(02-12-2013 07:26 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(02-12-2013 07:25 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  The Corp Identity that is the BE, will be with the FB schools. The C7 is leaving. The actual name has nothing to do with the contract Espn had. If B12 became B16 contracts are not void.

Although knowing about the right-of-first-refusal language, the football schools should have thought harder about splitting and living without an automatic bid for a while.

I think people are over thinking this right. It is not likely that big of an issue. ESPN simply doesn't have that many slots for Big East football. They will not be able to match the exposure available on other networks (nor would they want to match it).

(02-12-2013 09:24 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(02-12-2013 07:26 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(02-12-2013 07:25 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  The Corp Identity that is the BE, will be with the FB schools. The C7 is leaving. The actual name has nothing to do with the contract Espn had. If B12 became B16 contracts are not void.

Although knowing about the right-of-first-refusal language, the football schools should have thought harder about splitting and living without an automatic bid for a while.

I think people are over thinking this right. It is not likely that big of an issue. ESPN simply doesn't have that many slots for Big East football. They will not be able to match the exposure available on other networks (nor would they want to match it).

Then Aresco should have figured out a way to force that issue sooner to break out of the ESPN shackles. Maybe Fox doesn't have room for 22 football games and 75 basketball games, but the whole Bevilacqua strategy was to slice-and-dice. Sell Fox 5 football games and 30 basketball games for good money if that's what they'll pay good money for. Sell ESPN what ESPN actually wants.

The ESPN RFR language from the C-USA contract seems to say that the conference has to offer the old package out for auction, not create new packages and sell those. And the old package was for I think 17 football games on ESPN (national-cable) plus another 5 on ESPN-U, and 45 BB games plus 30 ESPN-U games. Nobody with a national-basic-cable channel would show 17 Aresco League games without a gun to their heads--except for NBC-SN. I think Fox or Turner would have put 75 games on.

Maybe Aresco should have given ESPN a number they could just barely live with for the total package, instead of $300M.

I have to think Aresco tried to convince ESPN to void that clause and buy a smaller package. But what does he have to offer that ESPN really wants? Apparently not enough.

ESPN won't match the offer, I'm pretty sure of that.

I haven't seen any legit source state that in fact ESPN has first refusal. I did, however, see the rumor start on this very board a couple of days ago and find it amusing about how it's went from what ESPN might have to being a straight up "fact" that everyone must acknowledge in order to present their argument.

(02-12-2013 10:05 AM)Lord2FLI Wrote:  I haven't seen any legit source state that in fact ESPN has first refusal. I did, however, see the rumor start on this very board a couple of days ago and find it amusing about how it's when from what ESPN might have to being a straight up "fact" that everyone must acknowledge in order to present their argument.

Let your hate go and maybe you'll see reality...some day.

(02-12-2013 10:00 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(02-12-2013 09:24 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(02-12-2013 07:26 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(02-12-2013 07:25 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  The Corp Identity that is the BE, will be with the FB schools. The C7 is leaving. The actual name has nothing to do with the contract Espn had. If B12 became B16 contracts are not void.

Although knowing about the right-of-first-refusal language, the football schools should have thought harder about splitting and living without an automatic bid for a while.

I think people are over thinking this right. It is not likely that big of an issue. ESPN simply doesn't have that many slots for Big East football. They will not be able to match the exposure available on other networks (nor would they want to match it).

Then Aresco should have figured out a way to force that issue sooner to break out of the ESPN shackles. Maybe Fox doesn't have room for 22 football games and 75 basketball games, but the whole Bevilacqua strategy was to slice-and-dice. Sell Fox 5 football games and 30 basketball games for good money if that's what they'll pay good money for. Sell ESPN what ESPN actually wants.

The ESPN RFR language from the C-USA contract seems to say that the conference has to offer the old package out for auction, not create new packages and sell those. And the old package was for I think 17 football games on ESPN (national-cable) plus another 5 on ESPN-U, and 45 BB games plus 30 ESPN-U games. Nobody with a national-basic-cable channel would show 17 Aresco League games without a gun to their heads--except for NBC-SN. I think Fox or Turner would have put 75 games on.

Maybe Aresco should have given ESPN a number they could just barely live with for the total package, instead of $300M.

I have to think Aresco tried to convince ESPN to void that clause and buy a smaller package. But what does he have to offer that ESPN really wants? Apparently not enough.

ESPN won't match the offer, I'm pretty sure of that.

That's my point. Who says they have to shop the same bid package? The PAC-12 was an ESPN property and did not have the CUSA clause. There is little reason to believe that the Big East would have signed such a limiting clause. They were in a much stronger negotiating position than CUSA. Like I said, why would Aresco say we would be splitting the package if the agreement won't allow it? He has actually seen the Big East contract. We have not.

(02-12-2013 10:05 AM)Lord2FLI Wrote:  I haven't seen any legit source state that in fact ESPN has first refusal. I did, however, see the rumor start on this very board a couple of days ago and find it amusing about how it's when from what ESPN might have to being a straight up "fact" that everyone must acknowledge in order to present their argument.

I know you don't regard Brett McMurphy as a legit source, but I just wanted to remind people that he is the source, not this board.

http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/...ghts-deals

NBC Sports Network is expected to submit an official offer to the Big East by next week. Once the Big East receives an official offer from NBC Sports Network, the league must give ESPN, the Big East's current rights-holder, the opportunity to match the deal.

(02-12-2013 10:11 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(02-12-2013 10:05 AM)Lord2FLI Wrote:  I haven't seen any legit source state that in fact ESPN has first refusal. I did, however, see the rumor start on this very board a couple of days ago and find it amusing about how it's when from what ESPN might have to being a straight up "fact" that everyone must acknowledge in order to present their argument.

I know you don't regard Brett McMurphy as a legit source, but I just wanted to remind people that he is the source, not this board.

http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/...ghts-deals

NBC Sports Network is expected to submit an official offer to the Big East by next week. Once the Big East receives an official offer from NBC Sports Network, the league must give ESPN, the Big East's current rights-holder, the opportunity to match the deal.

That doesn't mean first refusal, at its basic level it simply means the Big East has to give ESPN a chance to match the offer NOT that the Big East must sign with ESPN should the offer be matched. But you're right, I don't consider McBullshit a legitimate source any more than I do supermarket tabloids, in fact, I might be more inclined to believe aliens really did get Angelina Jolie pregnant before I believed something tweeted by ESPN's #1 stooge.

(02-12-2013 10:10 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  That's my point. Who says they have to shop the same bid package? The PAC-12 was an ESPN property and did not have the CUSA clause. There is little reason to believe that the Big East would have signed such a limiting clause. They were in a much stronger negotiating position than CUSA. Like I said, why would Aresco say we would be splitting the package if the agreement won't allow it? He has actually seen the Big East contract. We have not.

1. The PAC-12 wasn't an ESPN property.
As soon as the conference's exclusive negotiating window with Fox ended April 2, the conference found that it had interest from ESPN, Fox, Comcast/NBC and Turner in the TV rights; interest from brand-name private equity companies in the channel; and interest from companies such as Google in digital rights.
http://www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/Journ...ac-10.aspx

2. They were in a much stronger negotiating position than CUSA.

Were we? These were the contracts signed right after the ACC raid. The football league was on life support--nobody knew if UConn, Louisville, Cincinnati and USF could be pieces of a viable AQ league. Basketball was in better shape, of course. And the C-USA/ESPN contract says "other than as permitted in section (d) below" and section (d) isn't there--which may mean this was standard ESPN practice, cut-and-pasted from one contract to another.

3. Like I said, why would Aresco say we would be splitting the package if the agreement won't allow it?

MAybe he thought he could convince ESPN it was in their interests. Sell ESPN what they actually want for a fair price and let the rest go. Jersey Guy in October said that Aresco was trying to sell ESPN on a package of Big Monday basketball, the Big East Tournament and an ESPN-U/weeknight football package. Part of that deal would be waiving the RFR on everything else, which was stuff ESPN didn't want to have to show anyway. Obviously, that deal would have included C-7 and Louisville basketball and Louisville, Boise and Rutgers football.

Maybe Aresco has been trying to work ESPN for the last few months, and ESPN isn't budging.

The name still carries weight, at minimum, on the recruiting trail. No one will have any idea what the new name is or was. Most folks, even high school football players, do not know or care to the extent that folks do here. We need the Big East name.

(02-12-2013 10:20 AM)Lord2FLI Wrote:  

(02-12-2013 10:11 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(02-12-2013 10:05 AM)Lord2FLI Wrote:  I haven't seen any legit source state that in fact ESPN has first refusal. I did, however, see the rumor start on this very board a couple of days ago and find it amusing about how it's when from what ESPN might have to being a straight up "fact" that everyone must acknowledge in order to present their argument.

I know you don't regard Brett McMurphy as a legit source, but I just wanted to remind people that he is the source, not this board.

http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/...ghts-deals

NBC Sports Network is expected to submit an official offer to the Big East by next week. Once the Big East receives an official offer from NBC Sports Network, the league must give ESPN, the Big East's current rights-holder, the opportunity to match the deal.

That doesn't mean first refusal, at its basic level it simply means the Big East has to give ESPN a chance to match the offer NOT that the Big East must sign with ESPN should the offer be matched.

Umm, in contracts like that it usually does. In the CUSA contract, it does.

(02-12-2013 10:25 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(02-12-2013 10:20 AM)Lord2FLI Wrote:  

(02-12-2013 10:11 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(02-12-2013 10:05 AM)Lord2FLI Wrote:  I haven't seen any legit source state that in fact ESPN has first refusal. I did, however, see the rumor start on this very board a couple of days ago and find it amusing about how it's when from what ESPN might have to being a straight up "fact" that everyone must acknowledge in order to present their argument.

I know you don't regard Brett McMurphy as a legit source, but I just wanted to remind people that he is the source, not this board.

http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/...ghts-deals

NBC Sports Network is expected to submit an official offer to the Big East by next week. Once the Big East receives an official offer from NBC Sports Network, the league must give ESPN, the Big East's current rights-holder, the opportunity to match the deal.

That doesn't mean first refusal, at its basic level it simply means the Big East has to give ESPN a chance to match the offer NOT that the Big East must sign with ESPN should the offer be matched.

Umm, in contracts like that it usually does. In the CUSA contract, it does.

No problem, show me in print and I'll back off. This isn't a pre-nup where we have to speculate about it, in fact, because these are public schools the contract can be obtained through a public records request.

(02-12-2013 10:26 AM)Lord2FLI Wrote:  

(02-12-2013 10:25 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(02-12-2013 10:20 AM)Lord2FLI Wrote:  

(02-12-2013 10:11 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(02-12-2013 10:05 AM)Lord2FLI Wrote:  I haven't seen any legit source state that in fact ESPN has first refusal. I did, however, see the rumor start on this very board a couple of days ago and find it amusing about how it's when from what ESPN might have to being a straight up "fact" that everyone must acknowledge in order to present their argument.

I know you don't regard Brett McMurphy as a legit source, but I just wanted to remind people that he is the source, not this board.

http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/...ghts-deals

NBC Sports Network is expected to submit an official offer to the Big East by next week. Once the Big East receives an official offer from NBC Sports Network, the league must give ESPN, the Big East's current rights-holder, the opportunity to match the deal.

That doesn't mean first refusal, at its basic level it simply means the Big East has to give ESPN a chance to match the offer NOT that the Big East must sign with ESPN should the offer be matched.

Umm, in contracts like that it usually does. In the CUSA contract, it does.

No problem, show me in print and I'll back off.

Will a link to the CUSA contract do? IF not, I won't bother digging up the post and copying the link.

(02-12-2013 10:28 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(02-12-2013 10:26 AM)Lord2FLI Wrote:  

(02-12-2013 10:25 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(02-12-2013 10:20 AM)Lord2FLI Wrote:  

(02-12-2013 10:11 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  I know you don't regard Brett McMurphy as a legit source, but I just wanted to remind people that he is the source, not this board.

http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/...ghts-deals

NBC Sports Network is expected to submit an official offer to the Big East by next week. Once the Big East receives an official offer from NBC Sports Network, the league must give ESPN, the Big East's current rights-holder, the opportunity to match the deal.

That doesn't mean first refusal, at its basic level it simply means the Big East has to give ESPN a chance to match the offer NOT that the Big East must sign with ESPN should the offer be matched.

Umm, in contracts like that it usually does. In the CUSA contract, it does.

No problem, show me in print and I'll back off.

Will a link to the CUSA contract do? IF not, I won't bother digging up the post and copying the link.

No, it would not, C-USA is not the Big East.

(02-12-2013 10:28 AM)Lord2FLI Wrote:  

(02-12-2013 10:28 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(02-12-2013 10:26 AM)Lord2FLI Wrote:  

(02-12-2013 10:25 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(02-12-2013 10:20 AM)Lord2FLI Wrote:  That doesn't mean first refusal, at its basic level it simply means the Big East has to give ESPN a chance to match the offer NOT that the Big East must sign with ESPN should the offer be matched.

Umm, in contracts like that it usually does. In the CUSA contract, it does.

No problem, show me in print and I'll back off.

Will a link to the CUSA contract do? IF not, I won't bother digging up the post and copying the link.

No, it would not, C-USA is not the Big East.

I beg to differ

(02-12-2013 10:29 AM)Bearcat_Bounce Wrote:  

(02-12-2013 10:28 AM)Lord2FLI Wrote:  

(02-12-2013 10:28 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(02-12-2013 10:26 AM)Lord2FLI Wrote:  

(02-12-2013 10:25 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  Umm, in contracts like that it usually does. In the CUSA contract, it does.

No problem, show me in print and I'll back off.

Will a link to the CUSA contract do? IF not, I won't bother digging up the post and copying the link.

No, it would not, C-USA is not the Big East.

I beg to differ