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RE: Something will happen. What's the MAC's plan?
Dear Big Man,
You have a problem with reading comprehension. I was not comparing football to basketball. That's what you wanted to take from it. I was saying that there are two major sports programs that every school counts on for revenue, prestige, whatever. Northern Illinois of late, has no basketball progam. So, when talk of kicking out certain schools because of their football records, then except for last year, one should also consider Kent State, as well as Akron, Buffalo, etc. But, because of their basketball teams they are considered viable members.
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(02-12-2013 08:16 AM)Falcon1407 Wrote:  
(02-11-2013 08:15 PM)Big_Man Wrote:  Ken,

To compare NIU basketball to EMU football is ridiculous. EMU is closing in on 2 decades of sub .500 football. Only a few years ago the NIU basketball team played Kansas State in DeKalb and WON. That same year they beat a decent DePaul team on their way to winning the MAC West. When was the last time EMU football came close to a division title in football? How about being over .500 without scheduling two FCS opponents?

NIU basketball is terrible this year, but they certainly have not been as bad as EMU football. EMU football might possibly be the worst program in FBS history.

Granted EMU football is bad. But to suggest NIU basketball is any better than EMU football is funny. 05-06 NIU won the MAC West....they went 17-11 that year. The year before 11-17.

Since 1990 they've had 4 winning seasons.

They are a combined 114 and 207 since the 2000-2001 season. Not including this year. Including this year 119-233 (surely to get worse).

The current team is one of the worst teams in all of college basketball and they may be the most inept offensive team since the invention of the shot clock. They have something like 3 total wins against D1 teams in the non conference in 3 years.

But kudos on that non conference win 7 years ago. Kansas State also went 15-13 that year and fired their coach. But, who needs details.

My point is that while NIU has been bad for the past few years, they have not had the historic run that is EMU football.
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(02-12-2013 09:56 AM)Big_Man Wrote:  
(02-12-2013 08:16 AM)Falcon1407 Wrote:  
(02-11-2013 08:15 PM)Big_Man Wrote:  Ken,

To compare NIU basketball to EMU football is ridiculous. EMU is closing in on 2 decades of sub .500 football. Only a few years ago the NIU basketball team played Kansas State in DeKalb and WON. That same year they beat a decent DePaul team on their way to winning the MAC West. When was the last time EMU football came close to a division title in football? How about being over .500 without scheduling two FCS opponents?

NIU basketball is terrible this year, but they certainly have not been as bad as EMU football. EMU football might possibly be the worst program in FBS history.

Granted EMU football is bad. But to suggest NIU basketball is any better than EMU football is funny. 05-06 NIU won the MAC West....they went 17-11 that year. The year before 11-17.

Since 1990 they've had 4 winning seasons.

They are a combined 114 and 207 since the 2000-2001 season. Not including this year. Including this year 119-233 (surely to get worse).

The current team is one of the worst teams in all of college basketball and they may be the most inept offensive team since the invention of the shot clock. They have something like 3 total wins against D1 teams in the non conference in 3 years.

But kudos on that non conference win 7 years ago. Kansas State also went 15-13 that year and fired their coach. But, who needs details.

My point is that while NIU has been bad for the past few years, they have not had the historic run that is EMU football.

Plus basketball can get turned around in a reasonably short span, as ours is about to (03-wink), where football seems to be a slower build. No doubt our bball needs a good recruiting group or two right now, but don't try and hide the 800 pound gorilla in the green EMU jersey behind the skinny NIU point guard...
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Dear NIUfilmmaker,
I am not trying to hide anything. Just defending my school. You and others that continually bash Eastern's football program should do some independent research into the overall records of some of the other MAC members. You will find that others overall records are as bad or worse than Eastern's. So, the next time some of you call for the ouster of Eastern, you should know of what you are talking about.
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(02-12-2013 12:07 AM)Campbell4President Wrote:  
(02-11-2013 10:12 PM)NIUSox10 Wrote:  Football is king and is running realignment. Having a good basketball team is just a added bonus. Is Navy good at basketball? Is East Carolina? Is Boise? Is SMU? Is Rutgers?

No, no, no, no, no. Football is running realigment.

I get your point but actually Boise and Rutgers are both pretty good in basketball. In my humble opinion, either would probably win the MAC. Ohio and Akron are probably the only two teams that could hang with or beat them.

Maybe this year but in most years Boise and Rutgers though would be mid level MAC basketball teams......
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(02-12-2013 11:59 AM)NIUfilmmaker Wrote:  
(02-12-2013 09:56 AM)Big_Man Wrote:  
(02-12-2013 08:16 AM)Falcon1407 Wrote:  
(02-11-2013 08:15 PM)Big_Man Wrote:  Ken,

To compare NIU basketball to EMU football is ridiculous. EMU is closing in on 2 decades of sub .500 football. Only a few years ago the NIU basketball team played Kansas State in DeKalb and WON. That same year they beat a decent DePaul team on their way to winning the MAC West. When was the last time EMU football came close to a division title in football? How about being over .500 without scheduling two FCS opponents?

NIU basketball is terrible this year, but they certainly have not been as bad as EMU football. EMU football might possibly be the worst program in FBS history.

Granted EMU football is bad. But to suggest NIU basketball is any better than EMU football is funny. 05-06 NIU won the MAC West....they went 17-11 that year. The year before 11-17.

Since 1990 they've had 4 winning seasons.

They are a combined 114 and 207 since the 2000-2001 season. Not including this year. Including this year 119-233 (surely to get worse).

The current team is one of the worst teams in all of college basketball and they may be the most inept offensive team since the invention of the shot clock. They have something like 3 total wins against D1 teams in the non conference in 3 years.

But kudos on that non conference win 7 years ago. Kansas State also went 15-13 that year and fired their coach. But, who needs details.

My point is that while NIU has been bad for the past few years, they have not had the historic run that is EMU football.

Plus basketball can get turned around in a reasonably short span, as ours is about to (03-wink), where football seems to be a slower build. No doubt our bball needs a good recruiting group or two right now, but don't try and hide the 800 pound gorilla in the green EMU jersey behind the skinny NIU point guard...

NIU basketball and EMU football have been the same level of suck.

They've needed 1 or 2 good recruiting classes since 1997.

I love a good bash on another MAC school as much as anybody. But NIU basketball can't defend anything they've done in this league.
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(02-12-2013 02:25 PM)Ken Barna Wrote:  Dear NIUfilmmaker,
I am not trying to hide anything. Just defending my school. You and others that continually bash Eastern's football program should do some independent research into the overall records of some of the other MAC members. You will find that others overall records are as bad or worse than Eastern's. So, the next time some of you call for the ouster of Eastern, you should know of what you are talking about.

Not really going to get into this argument, but I'll add that EMU has played in what has at least recently been the better football division, plus they had tough crossover games this past year - they didn't get to play Akron, Buffalo or Umass, IIRC. Doesn't explain the loss to ISU, but still.
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NIU basketball is building up from the ashes much like football did years ago. I look forward to the next few years as I think many in this league will be surprised with the growth in our program. Feel free to slam our hoops now while we are down but our hoops will be back in the mix soon. I don't really sense the same confidence from those trashing our program so be careful what you say because as a fellow NIU poster said hoops power can shift very quickly in this league...
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(02-12-2013 07:12 PM)HuskieTap22 Wrote:  NIU basketball is building up from the ashes much like football did years ago. I look forward to the next few years as I think many in this league will be surprised with the growth in our program. Feel free to slam our hoops now while we are down but our hoops will be back in the mix soon. I don't really sense the same confidence from those trashing our program so be careful what you say because as a fellow NIU poster said hoops power can shift very quickly in this league...

Why hasn't then?

Ohio and Akron have split the last 4 MAC tournaments while Kent State was before that and still one of the better teams in the conference.

I'm leaning toward Illinois State as a 14th for the MAC all sports because they would help basketball, turning the tide between MVC and MAC basketball recruiting.

The new Hancock Stadium is only 15,000 seats but so is Charlotte's and they just received a CUSA invite. ISU could put temporary seating in while in raises the funds to push the stadium over 20,000 permanent (acceptable size in the MAC).

I wouldn't mind going back East for more schools down the road if UMass departs. I think its pushing it for the MAC to have a school all the way out the New England. It was once thought Buffalo was too far East for the MAC but thinking has certainly evolved.

Then again, what might happen is the Big East collapses leading to Temple and UConn looking for homes. Then we could add those 2 along with UMass all sports. I'm just not sure if the time is right for JMU or Delaware when we don't know how long the BE will stay together. Illinois St would be a low hanging fruit for the MAC but they would at least address scheduling and boost hoops.
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(02-12-2013 08:16 PM)Louis Kitton Wrote:  
(02-12-2013 07:12 PM)HuskieTap22 Wrote:  NIU basketball is building up from the ashes much like football did years ago. I look forward to the next few years as I think many in this league will be surprised with the growth in our program. Feel free to slam our hoops now while we are down but our hoops will be back in the mix soon. I don't really sense the same confidence from those trashing our program so be careful what you say because as a fellow NIU poster said hoops power can shift very quickly in this league...

Why hasn't then?

Ohio and Akron have split the last 4 MAC tournaments while Kent State was before that and still one of the better teams in the conference.

I'm leaning toward Illinois State as a 14th for the MAC all sports because they would help basketball, turning the tide between MVC and MAC basketball recruiting.

The new Hancock Stadium is only 15,000 seats but so is Charlotte's and they just received a CUSA invite. ISU could put temporary seating in while in raises the funds to push the stadium over 20,000 permanent (acceptable size in the MAC).

I wouldn't mind going back East for more schools down the road if UMass departs. I think its pushing it for the MAC to have a school all the way out the New England. It was once thought Buffalo was too far East for the MAC but thinking has certainly evolved.

Then again, what might happen is the Big East collapses leading to Temple and UConn looking for homes. Then we could add those 2 along with UMass all sports. I'm just not sure if the time is right for JMU or Delaware when we don't know how long the BE will stay together. Illinois St would be a low hanging fruit for the MAC but they would at least address scheduling and boost hoops.

Because while everyone seems to want to knock NIU for being so bad, there are plenty of other teams in this league that could stand to improve in hoops as well. The MAC in recent years has been a one bid league, and mediocre one at best top to bottom. Ohio, Akron, Kent are the only teams with any room to talk in hoops. NIU is righting the ship under Montgomery and should be in the mix soon. I mean honestly it isn't like there is a huge gap between 5 - 12 in this league so the climb from the basement to respectability isn't that huge.

As for #14, I just don't see the value in ISU as they bring nothing in football and haven't been to the NCAA tourney or won their conference since 1998. Decent hoops but not a game changer. I would much the league wait out its next move and see what happens with the BE. ISU is really low my wish list. New states is where we should be focusing.
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(02-12-2013 08:48 PM)HuskieTap22 Wrote:  
(02-12-2013 08:16 PM)Louis Kitton Wrote:  
(02-12-2013 07:12 PM)HuskieTap22 Wrote:  NIU basketball is building up from the ashes much like football did years ago. I look forward to the next few years as I think many in this league will be surprised with the growth in our program. Feel free to slam our hoops now while we are down but our hoops will be back in the mix soon. I don't really sense the same confidence from those trashing our program so be careful what you say because as a fellow NIU poster said hoops power can shift very quickly in this league...

Why hasn't then?

Ohio and Akron have split the last 4 MAC tournaments while Kent State was before that and still one of the better teams in the conference.

I'm leaning toward Illinois State as a 14th for the MAC all sports because they would help basketball, turning the tide between MVC and MAC basketball recruiting.

The new Hancock Stadium is only 15,000 seats but so is Charlotte's and they just received a CUSA invite. ISU could put temporary seating in while in raises the funds to push the stadium over 20,000 permanent (acceptable size in the MAC).

I wouldn't mind going back East for more schools down the road if UMass departs. I think its pushing it for the MAC to have a school all the way out the New England. It was once thought Buffalo was too far East for the MAC but thinking has certainly evolved.

Then again, what might happen is the Big East collapses leading to Temple and UConn looking for homes. Then we could add those 2 along with UMass all sports. I'm just not sure if the time is right for JMU or Delaware when we don't know how long the BE will stay together. Illinois St would be a low hanging fruit for the MAC but they would at least address scheduling and boost hoops.

Because while everyone seems to want to knock NIU for being so bad, there are plenty of other teams in this league that could stand to improve in hoops as well. The MAC in recent years has been a one bid league, and mediocre one at best top to bottom. Ohio, Akron, Kent are the only teams with any room to talk in hoops. NIU is righting the ship under Montgomery and should be in the mix soon. I mean honestly it isn't like there is a huge gap between 5 - 12 in this league so the climb from the basement to respectability isn't that huge.

As for #14, I just don't see the value in ISU as they bring nothing in football and haven't been to the NCAA tourney or won their conference since 1998. Decent hoops but not a game changer. I would much the league wait out its next move and see what happens with the BE. ISU is really low my wish list. New states is where we should be focusing.

ISU does not expand our footprint. Delware, JMU, Marshall, they all do this... one of the problems with the MAC is too many Michigan and Ohio schools, why repeat that in Illinois?
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(02-12-2013 08:48 PM)HuskieTap22 Wrote:  I mean honestly it isn't like there is a huge gap between 5 - 12 in this league so the climb from the basement to respectability isn't that huge.

*THIS YEAR* there is not a huge difference but the past several years the east has been whipping on the west at a clip of about 5 games to 1. Usually those years there was one decent team in the west. so that would usually mean a good top 6 or 7 and a terrible bottom 4 or 5.

Buffalo is way down this year but we lost some great players and then lost our two best point guards to injury. The Bulls should be competitive next year and over the past three or four years they have always been in the mix. Reggie just can't win the big games in Cleveland.
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(02-12-2013 08:48 PM)HuskieTap22 Wrote:  
(02-12-2013 08:16 PM)Louis Kitton Wrote:  
(02-12-2013 07:12 PM)HuskieTap22 Wrote:  NIU basketball is building up from the ashes much like football did years ago. I look forward to the next few years as I think many in this league will be surprised with the growth in our program. Feel free to slam our hoops now while we are down but our hoops will be back in the mix soon. I don't really sense the same confidence from those trashing our program so be careful what you say because as a fellow NIU poster said hoops power can shift very quickly in this league...

Why hasn't then?

Ohio and Akron have split the last 4 MAC tournaments while Kent State was before that and still one of the better teams in the conference.

I'm leaning toward Illinois State as a 14th for the MAC all sports because they would help basketball, turning the tide between MVC and MAC basketball recruiting.

The new Hancock Stadium is only 15,000 seats but so is Charlotte's and they just received a CUSA invite. ISU could put temporary seating in while in raises the funds to push the stadium over 20,000 permanent (acceptable size in the MAC).

I wouldn't mind going back East for more schools down the road if UMass departs. I think its pushing it for the MAC to have a school all the way out the New England. It was once thought Buffalo was too far East for the MAC but thinking has certainly evolved.

Then again, what might happen is the Big East collapses leading to Temple and UConn looking for homes. Then we could add those 2 along with UMass all sports. I'm just not sure if the time is right for JMU or Delaware when we don't know how long the BE will stay together. Illinois St would be a low hanging fruit for the MAC but they would at least address scheduling and boost hoops.

Because while everyone seems to want to knock NIU for being so bad, there are plenty of other teams in this league that could stand to improve in hoops as well. The MAC in recent years has been a one bid league, and mediocre one at best top to bottom. Ohio, Akron, Kent are the only teams with any room to talk in hoops. NIU is righting the ship under Montgomery and should be in the mix soon. I mean honestly it isn't like there is a huge gap between 5 - 12 in this league so the climb from the basement to respectability isn't that huge.

As for #14, I just don't see the value in ISU as they bring nothing in football and haven't been to the NCAA tourney or won their conference since 1998. Decent hoops but not a game changer. I would much the league wait out its next move and see what happens with the BE. ISU is really low my wish list. New states is where we should be focusing.

The new state options however are not good ones!

Missouri St-In the far corner of Missouri, very far from existing MAC teams.

WKU-About 5-6 hours from the next MAC school. No FBS recruiting base in Kentucky.

JMU and Delaware-Both are a good 8 hours from the MAC footprint with very questionable basketball.

Illinois State would bring more to the MAC from a travel and rivalry standpoint. I'd rather have a 2nd school in a big state than 1 school in a low population state like Delaware or Kentucky.
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(02-12-2013 09:52 PM)Louis Kitton Wrote:  
(02-12-2013 08:48 PM)HuskieTap22 Wrote:  
(02-12-2013 08:16 PM)Louis Kitton Wrote:  
(02-12-2013 07:12 PM)HuskieTap22 Wrote:  NIU basketball is building up from the ashes much like football did years ago. I look forward to the next few years as I think many in this league will be surprised with the growth in our program. Feel free to slam our hoops now while we are down but our hoops will be back in the mix soon. I don't really sense the same confidence from those trashing our program so be careful what you say because as a fellow NIU poster said hoops power can shift very quickly in this league...

Why hasn't then?

Ohio and Akron have split the last 4 MAC tournaments while Kent State was before that and still one of the better teams in the conference.

I'm leaning toward Illinois State as a 14th for the MAC all sports because they would help basketball, turning the tide between MVC and MAC basketball recruiting.

The new Hancock Stadium is only 15,000 seats but so is Charlotte's and they just received a CUSA invite. ISU could put temporary seating in while in raises the funds to push the stadium over 20,000 permanent (acceptable size in the MAC).

I wouldn't mind going back East for more schools down the road if UMass departs. I think its pushing it for the MAC to have a school all the way out the New England. It was once thought Buffalo was too far East for the MAC but thinking has certainly evolved.

Then again, what might happen is the Big East collapses leading to Temple and UConn looking for homes. Then we could add those 2 along with UMass all sports. I'm just not sure if the time is right for JMU or Delaware when we don't know how long the BE will stay together. Illinois St would be a low hanging fruit for the MAC but they would at least address scheduling and boost hoops.

Because while everyone seems to want to knock NIU for being so bad, there are plenty of other teams in this league that could stand to improve in hoops as well. The MAC in recent years has been a one bid league, and mediocre one at best top to bottom. Ohio, Akron, Kent are the only teams with any room to talk in hoops. NIU is righting the ship under Montgomery and should be in the mix soon. I mean honestly it isn't like there is a huge gap between 5 - 12 in this league so the climb from the basement to respectability isn't that huge.

As for #14, I just don't see the value in ISU as they bring nothing in football and haven't been to the NCAA tourney or won their conference since 1998. Decent hoops but not a game changer. I would much the league wait out its next move and see what happens with the BE. ISU is really low my wish list. New states is where we should be focusing.

The new state options however are not good ones!

Missouri St-In the far corner of Missouri, very far from existing MAC teams.

WKU-About 5-6 hours from the next MAC school. No FBS recruiting base in Kentucky.

JMU and Delaware-Both are a good 8 hours from the MAC footprint with very questionable basketball.

Illinois State would bring more to the MAC from a travel and rivalry standpoint. I'd rather have a 2nd school in a big state than 1 school in a low population state like Delaware or Kentucky.

No thanks to ISU, its a terrible idea. The MAC needs to improve its footprint and national image, not bring in a mediocre FCS program from a state we already have a presence in.
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(02-12-2013 10:01 PM)NIUfilmmaker Wrote:  
(02-12-2013 09:52 PM)Louis Kitton Wrote:  
(02-12-2013 08:48 PM)HuskieTap22 Wrote:  
(02-12-2013 08:16 PM)Louis Kitton Wrote:  
(02-12-2013 07:12 PM)HuskieTap22 Wrote:  NIU basketball is building up from the ashes much like football did years ago. I look forward to the next few years as I think many in this league will be surprised with the growth in our program. Feel free to slam our hoops now while we are down but our hoops will be back in the mix soon. I don't really sense the same confidence from those trashing our program so be careful what you say because as a fellow NIU poster said hoops power can shift very quickly in this league...

Why hasn't then?

Ohio and Akron have split the last 4 MAC tournaments while Kent State was before that and still one of the better teams in the conference.

I'm leaning toward Illinois State as a 14th for the MAC all sports because they would help basketball, turning the tide between MVC and MAC basketball recruiting.

The new Hancock Stadium is only 15,000 seats but so is Charlotte's and they just received a CUSA invite. ISU could put temporary seating in while in raises the funds to push the stadium over 20,000 permanent (acceptable size in the MAC).

I wouldn't mind going back East for more schools down the road if UMass departs. I think its pushing it for the MAC to have a school all the way out the New England. It was once thought Buffalo was too far East for the MAC but thinking has certainly evolved.

Then again, what might happen is the Big East collapses leading to Temple and UConn looking for homes. Then we could add those 2 along with UMass all sports. I'm just not sure if the time is right for JMU or Delaware when we don't know how long the BE will stay together. Illinois St would be a low hanging fruit for the MAC but they would at least address scheduling and boost hoops.

Because while everyone seems to want to knock NIU for being so bad, there are plenty of other teams in this league that could stand to improve in hoops as well. The MAC in recent years has been a one bid league, and mediocre one at best top to bottom. Ohio, Akron, Kent are the only teams with any room to talk in hoops. NIU is righting the ship under Montgomery and should be in the mix soon. I mean honestly it isn't like there is a huge gap between 5 - 12 in this league so the climb from the basement to respectability isn't that huge.

As for #14, I just don't see the value in ISU as they bring nothing in football and haven't been to the NCAA tourney or won their conference since 1998. Decent hoops but not a game changer. I would much the league wait out its next move and see what happens with the BE. ISU is really low my wish list. New states is where we should be focusing.

The new state options however are not good ones!

Missouri St-In the far corner of Missouri, very far from existing MAC teams.

WKU-About 5-6 hours from the next MAC school. No FBS recruiting base in Kentucky.

JMU and Delaware-Both are a good 8 hours from the MAC footprint with very questionable basketball.

Illinois State would bring more to the MAC from a travel and rivalry standpoint. I'd rather have a 2nd school in a big state than 1 school in a low population state like Delaware or Kentucky.

No thanks to ISU, its a terrible idea. The MAC needs to improve its footprint and national image, not bring in a mediocre FCS program from a state we already have a presence in.

I think your just afraid of losing your recruiting edge in football to ISU if they joined in the MAC......03-shhhh

If Ohio was the only in-state MAC school I wouldn't oppose adding a second in-state school at all just to provide a rivalry. A third might be a different story but I'm not talking about adding both ISU and SIU here.
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RE: Something will happen. What's the MAC's plan?
(02-12-2013 09:52 PM)Louis Kitton Wrote:  
(02-12-2013 08:48 PM)HuskieTap22 Wrote:  
(02-12-2013 08:16 PM)Louis Kitton Wrote:  
(02-12-2013 07:12 PM)HuskieTap22 Wrote:  

The new state options however are not good ones!

Missouri St-In the far corner of Missouri, very far from existing MAC teams.

WKU-About 5-6 hours from the next MAC school. No FBS recruiting base in Kentucky.

JMU and Delaware-Both are a good 8 hours from the MAC footprint with very questionable basketball.

Illinois State would bring more to the MAC from a travel and rivalry standpoint. I'd rather have a 2nd school in a big state than 1 school in a low population state like Delaware or Kentucky.

I think most if not all NIU fans agree that ISU is not a rival for NIU so your constant claims of an instant rivalry must be with some other MAC team because we do not view them as a rival. Adding a fourth FBS team in Illinois makes no sense, especially one in a small market just outside of a BIG school.
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RE: Something will happen. What's the MAC's plan?
(02-12-2013 10:13 PM)Louis Kitton Wrote:  
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(02-12-2013 09:52 PM)Louis Kitton Wrote:  
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(02-12-2013 08:16 PM)Louis Kitton Wrote:  
No thanks to ISU, its a terrible idea. The MAC needs to improve its footprint and national image, not bring in a mediocre FCS program from a state we already have a presence in.

I think your just afraid of losing your recruiting edge in football to ISU if they joined in the MAC......03-shhhh

If Ohio was the only in-state MAC school I wouldn't oppose adding a second in-state school at all just to provide a rivalry. A third might be a different story but I'm not talking about adding both ISU and SIU here.

Bloomington isn't even a top 100 market and it is just outside of Champaign / U of I territory.
02-12-2013 10:23 PM
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RE: Something will happen. What's the MAC's plan?
(02-12-2013 10:23 PM)HuskieTap22 Wrote:  
(02-12-2013 10:13 PM)Louis Kitton Wrote:  
(02-12-2013 10:01 PM)NIUfilmmaker Wrote:  
(02-12-2013 09:52 PM)Louis Kitton Wrote:  
(02-12-2013 08:48 PM)HuskieTap22 Wrote:  
No thanks to ISU, its a terrible idea. The MAC needs to improve its footprint and national image, not bring in a mediocre FCS program from a state we already have a presence in.

I think your just afraid of losing your recruiting edge in football to ISU if they joined in the MAC......03-shhhh

If Ohio was the only in-state MAC school I wouldn't oppose adding a second in-state school at all just to provide a rivalry. A third might be a different story but I'm not talking about adding both ISU and SIU here.

Bloomington isn't even a top 100 market and it is just outside of Champaign / U of I territory.

NIU recruits just fine and we're surrounded by B10 schools, so we're certainly not going to sweat ISU... its about not adding a school thats mediocre on the FCS level, and that won't strengthen the conference. If you were the person in charge of marketing the MAC, or a future MAC network, adding ISU would not get you excited, at all. Some of the other schools that are being discussed are a little distant, but so are Rutgers and Maryland and the Big10 just gobbled them up, didn't they. Its about adding markets, if we're going to add anything at all.
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RE: Something will happen. What's the MAC's plan?
Ohio guy!!! Have you ever been to ISU? If you have, you would not be so high on them. You must have gone to ISU for your Masters. They will never be a rival for NIU.
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RE: Something will happen. What's the MAC's plan?
The thought of adding Illinois State is garbage. If the MAC ever adds Illinois State, to be fair to NIU, we should add Youngstown State also.
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