(02-10-2013 01:20 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(02-10-2013 01:08 PM)tigers1125 Wrote:  Update:

@JPalm: If all you got is quality losses, you got nothing.

Anyone have a good 140 character response?

"We beat TN on their HM flr. Not our fault they decided to suck this year."

THIS year?

(02-10-2013 08:58 PM)Latilleon Wrote:  

(02-10-2013 06:53 PM)JMSTiger Wrote:  

(02-10-2013 06:07 PM)Latilleon Wrote:  

(02-10-2013 06:01 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(02-10-2013 05:56 PM)Latilleon Wrote:  If the extent of your top fifty wins is three games against Southern Miss, whose RPI was bumped up by winning a ton of road games against roody-poots, then it's weird to wonder why you'll only get an 8 seed.

2007 was a gift, but at least that team beat Kentucky on a neutral site and Gonzaga on the road in a nationally televised game on ESPN.

Southern Miss can't be your best win unless they found some more eligibility for Clarence Witherspoon.

I think everyone realizes we don't deserve a 2, but I think the comparison is that the difference is not vast enough to get an 8...

We haven't beaten anybody.

That team was highly ranked and had a late season high profile win. And then you had John Calipari keeping the profile high.

Josh Pastner has no juice with the NCAA. We have won every game against teams that are chump change, and our last chance at an eye opening win is against a lackluster Xavier team.

We needed more games this year.

If you don't have anyone to sell you to the NCAA, then you better prove it on the court against teams who can compare with you with talent on the court.

So, you are pretty much saying the 2006-07 #2 seed is justified because they beat Kentucky while the 2012-13 Tigers don't even deserve a #7 seed because they are lacking one win against a top 25 RPI team. Does that one win really make the difference between a #2 and a #8?

Beating a name team.

Being ranked.

Having a top ten RPI.

Making it to the Elite Eight the year before.

John Calipari's lobbying.

High profile late season out-of-conference win against a name opponent on the road on national television.

There are many reasons why that team got a #2 seed. Goes beyond just one win against the #13 RPI team.

No matter how you cut it, three wins against Southern Miss, a win against Tennessee-Knoxville, and a win against Xavier in a mediocre season will not make this year's team as attractive as 2007.

I bet if we would have done something last year in the NCAA to counter having a third straight disappointing start, we'd probably get the benefit of the doubt.

No one is saying that the 2012-13 Tigers should get a #2 seed like the 2006-07 Tigers or the 2008-09 Tigers. What I am saying is that the resumes are not so incredibly dissimilar to justify 06-07 and 07-08 getting #2 seeds and 12-13 getting a #8 (this is where Palm suggests Memphis' ceiling is located). All I am saying is that I think Memphis could get a 5 or 6 this year if they win out. That is the logical conclusion when you consider the 06-07 resume would pretty much be the same as the 12-13 resume except the 06-07 team had one more good win than the 12-13 team.

palm is not really thinking what our resume will look like at 31-3 and what will happen to the rest of the teams. 3-3 top 50 and 6-7 more top 100 wins against no losses is not an 8 seed. Wh don't you just compare resumes from us this year and last year and you'll see the difference (mainly in bad losses I'd suspect).

Anyway, I doubt we win out so while all this discussion is nice, it's probably moot. Hard for me to envision we go on the road and win @ UTEP, @ UCF, and @ Xavier all in a row

(02-10-2013 06:10 PM)Latilleon Wrote:  If you beat Louisville at home, the Tigers are ranked, higher in the RPI, and if the team won out, you'd be a top 6 seed.

Lat, I will make a bet with you and give you 10-1 odds. PM me if interested.

(02-10-2013 01:11 PM)btiger Wrote:  

(02-10-2013 12:54 PM)tigers1125 Wrote:  Me: Assuming memphis loses one more reg season game @Utep or @Xavier and wins CUSA tourney what seed range would you guess?

@JPalm Bottom half of bracket.

Another poster: Why bottom half with that scenario?

@JPalm: No wins against tournament teams.

Me: 30-4 with early neutral losses to KenPom #11 & 21 without G. Johnson and home loss to #3 UofL & one more top 100 loss on road a 9 seed or worse?

No response to last Twitter yet.

Not earth shattering but the trash these so called experts put out is unbeivable.

he's right. i dont expect much love on selection sunday

Sunday is usually a good day for me.

(02-11-2013 08:45 AM)jgardne Wrote:  palm is not really thinking what our resume will look like at 31-3 and what will happen to the rest of the teams. 3-3 top 50 and 6-7 more top 100 wins against no losses is not an 8 seed. Wh don't you just compare resumes from us this year and last year and you'll see the difference (mainly in bad losses I'd suspect).

Anyway, I doubt we win out so while all this discussion is nice, it's probably moot. Hard for me to envision we go on the road and win @ UTEP, @ UCF, and @ Xavier all in a row

Palm has stated publicly that Memphis should not get better than a #8 seed if they win out. Even if there are teams ahead of Memphis melting down left and right, he says the best they get is a #8 at 31-3. That is bias against a program and a conference, plain and simple.

(02-11-2013 08:45 AM)jgardne Wrote:  palm is not really thinking what our resume will look like at 31-3 and what will happen to the rest of the teams. 3-3 top 50 and 6-7 more top 100 wins against no losses is not an 8 seed. Wh don't you just compare resumes from us this year and last year and you'll see the difference (mainly in bad losses I'd suspect).

Anyway, I doubt we win out so while all this discussion is nice, it's probably moot. Hard for me to envision we go on the road and win @ UTEP, @ UCF, and @ Xavier all in a row

I agree with you. I think that is a brutal stretch that a lot of people are under-estimating by saying we are going to win out. The good thing is that we always play our best bball late under Pastner & I have confidence that we can win at least 2 of those, which should be enough. Remember - last year we lost 8 games & dropped a few we shouldn't have. This year, at 4 or even 5 losses - we should be in better shape than we were last year. Of course, the media is not going to let us lose another game, but we can't control that. I would anticipate most people on this board, deep down, realize we are likely to lose at least 1 of those 3. This year, Memphis has certainly done a better job than in the past 2 seasons at winning the games we are supposed to win & not having those huge letdowns. 8 more games to go. Our seeding will largely be determined by how we perform in these 8 games.

(02-11-2013 09:30 AM)mitjones Wrote:  

(02-11-2013 08:45 AM)jgardne Wrote:  palm is not really thinking what our resume will look like at 31-3 and what will happen to the rest of the teams. 3-3 top 50 and 6-7 more top 100 wins against no losses is not an 8 seed. Wh don't you just compare resumes from us this year and last year and you'll see the difference (mainly in bad losses I'd suspect).

Anyway, I doubt we win out so while all this discussion is nice, it's probably moot. Hard for me to envision we go on the road and win @ UTEP, @ UCF, and @ Xavier all in a row

I agree with you. I think that is a brutal stretch that a lot of people are under-estimating by saying we are going to win out. The good thing is that we always play our best bball late under Pastner & I have confidence that we can win at least 2 of those, which should be enough. Remember - last year we lost 8 games & dropped a few we shouldn't have. This year, at 4 or even 5 losses - we should be in better shape than we were last year. Of course, the media is not going to let us lose another game, but we can't control that. I would anticipate most people on this board, deep down, realize we are likely to lose at least 1 of those 3. This year, Memphis has certainly done a better job than in the past 2 seasons at winning the games we are supposed to win & not having those huge letdowns. 8 more games to go. Our seeding will largely be determined by how we perform in these 8 games.

I think most people understand that winning out will be incredibly difficult to do. That is why I phrase everything with "if they win out."

(02-10-2013 01:41 PM)TripleA Wrote:  This situation is exactly why it will be good to escape CUSA. Our seeding basically boiled down to how we did in Atlantis.

Won't be the case next year. Assuming the C7 stay, we'll have plenty of chances for wins over tourney teams. Not so much after next season, but still much better than now.

How does CUSA relate to how WE played in Atlantis?

(02-10-2013 05:55 PM)TripleA Wrote:  I've become deaf to all this noise. If we win out, great. We'll get a better seed than if we don't. Not a lot we can do about our seeding beyond that. Personally, I'm just pulling for a 6 or 11 seed. I think that's our easiest path to a potential deep run.

THIS x1000!!!! Been saying this for weeks!

Win out and get a 6 seed, lose 1 or 2 more and win CUSA tourney and get a 11 seed. Either way, it's our BEST shot at a deep run in March.

(02-11-2013 09:39 AM)thagr82008 Wrote:  How does CUSA relate to how WE played in Atlantis?[/i]

Not sure, but early season isn't the best predictor of how teams will be playing late in the season, or how good they will be at season's end.

Also, we were missing one of our starters (Geron) in Atlantis, and hadn't yet "discovered" another of our starters (DJ). Our lineup and rotation are quite a bit different now... probably more different than most teams. Shaq wasn't starting, either.

So that's 3/5 of our starting lineup that's new-look at this point in the season relative to Atlantis. Fair to say (almost) that it's a "different team" in some respects.

(02-10-2013 01:11 PM)btiger Wrote:  

(02-10-2013 12:54 PM)tigers1125 Wrote:  Me: Assuming memphis loses one more reg season game @Utep or @Xavier and wins CUSA tourney what seed range would you guess?

@JPalm Bottom half of bracket.

Another poster: Why bottom half with that scenario?

@JPalm: No wins against tournament teams.

Me: 30-4 with early neutral losses to KenPom #11 & 21 without G. Johnson and home loss to #3 UofL & one more top 100 loss on road a 9 seed or worse?

No response to last Twitter yet.

Not earth shattering but the trash these so called experts put out is unbeivable.

he's right. i dont expect much love on selection sunday

Just play.

(02-10-2013 01:23 PM)mphsfan Wrote:  Just put us in the tournament and let the team we have to play complain about our seeding. Just win.

Exactly, line em up and knock em down or go home.

If you get a bad seed, all you have to do is win one game against a good team to "capture" the good seed. If you're an 11 and feel you should've been a 6, then all you have to do is prove it by beating a 6 in your first game and then congrats-- you've got your 6 seed.

(02-10-2013 02:38 PM)memphis mania Wrote:  It amazes me how one game could dramatically change the perception of this team. If the refs in the Louisville game had not screwed us, we would be ranked in the top 15 right now, maybe top 10 with 4 and 5 seed numbers beside us. The committee and the media b*tches put too much emphasis on top 25 wins, and ZERO emphasis of taking care of business with average to bad teams. We would be in better shape right now with the minds of the dumb@ss media if we lost to 189 SMU and 165 Tulane but beat Louisville. Doesn't make any damn since. As long as this is the formula to get in the Tournament, then there is no reason to ever schedule bad teams. Hell, if you can, schedule every team in the damn top 25 for your OOC opponents. You are bound to beat a few, and that’s good enough in the minds of these no talent, zombie ass clowns we call college basketball analysts.

Those are ALL valid points, But I must ask a question HERE, WHO IN THE HE__ dbl hockey stix is OK with these loses that WE are speaking of????? I don't give a DARN who it is against.......i DON"T LIKE LOSING TO ANYONE!!!!

Trying to satisfy PUNDITs will be the worst mistake we have ever made...IMO...There's absolutely NOTHING wrong with the formula WE have: We get the best recruits; We're setting wins records; we're on the top of the food chain; we get into the dance on a very high %.

Those "GOOD" loses that we are going to soo casually accept are going to start affecting/effecting ALL of the Afforementioned perks that we enjoy....It's going to sffect our staff/recruits/attendance.

{1 thing that I will take from CAL, he always reiteratted," It's NOT about the team WE play, It's about US, we're competing against ourselves"} That's why we have such a deep team, The players understand that and it's very difficult to have THAT luxury. And that's why we see teams losing to inferior teams.

A good loss my EYE! Recruits don't wanna hear that! Who cares what the PUNDITS go by!

When an institution is faced with that kind of adversity, usually BAD things come out> You have to do everything possible to WIN without crossing the PERVERBIAL line....So in ALL actuality, your program really STINKS.....That's where CAL came from....That's the kind of STINTCH that he brought with him...We were so much of a NONFACTOR that it worked .....Jut like UMASS. Now he's safe with his plan because he's NOW @ the VATICAN(protected like "the pope")

WE should really be careful of what we wish for! I just think we've forgotten how good WE have it here:

Schools that have to fight in those overglammerized; overhyped; overvalued; overcommercialized tournaments may seem soo delightful from the outside looking in..... But fellow MEMPHITONIANS>>>> WE ARE HATED CAUS WE WIN:

The pundits HAVE TO & MUST DISCREDIT US>>>>> because we are NOT apart of their BIG media circus...and they don't understand what WE understand about our kids & our UNIVERSITY> WE BRING HEART.

Who cares what they say...that's what they're supposed to say.....WE DON"T PAY THEM ANYTHING....THEY HATE US! WHO GIVES A FLIP ? WERE GONNA WIN!

Those coaches try to figure out before the season and into their conference tourney ALL that seeding CRAPPOLA! Whether it's more important for them to WIN the regular season tourney or the post season tourney based on seeding>

When OUR season starts.....WE WANNA WIN EVERY DARN GAME.....That' the way it always is; that's the way it should be ......AND I LOVE IT...

And guess ? OUR RECRUITS LOVE THAT MENTALITY TOO....That's Y we get them....You don't think GERON want's to WIN every game?

That young man has brought an INCREDIBLE FIRE HERE.....He's the main reason for DJ's EXPLOSION & reammergence....

WE CANNOT LOSE FOCUS OF THAT......but IMOO...I think that is jeopardised in the MEGA conferences that WE feel we should be in to gain respect....NEWS FLASH...We don't NEED their respect to be successful......WE"RE ALREADY SUCCESSFUL.....We're the winningest Darn team in the history of basketball.....You don't have to be in a MEGA conference to win the NC......YOU just have to WIN PERIOD.....No matter who it is against.

That's the way we think right now & I love that attitude.... It's should always be about the KIDS in every aspect & NOT the adults selfcentered meanderings.....The KIDS come to MEMPHIS bacause they can see That WE LIKE TO WIN.....every game

Be careful what you wish for

(02-10-2013 07:01 PM)btiger Wrote:  

(02-10-2013 01:41 PM)TripleA Wrote:  Our seeding basically boiled down to how we did in Atlantis

i told all you idiots this before the season started and was blasted. the only games we played all year that mattered were played in the bahamas and we failed miserably. we not only lost them, we looked like an overmatched intramural team down there.

things have gotten a lot better and josh is doing a great job. unfortunately, NOBODY CARES

Reported, there's no need for that.

(02-10-2013 08:44 PM)TG4 Wrote:  

(02-10-2013 07:01 PM)btiger Wrote:  

(02-10-2013 01:41 PM)TripleA Wrote:  Our seeding basically boiled down to how we did in Atlantis

i told all you idiots this before the season started and was blasted. the only games we played all year that mattered were played in the bahamas and we failed miserably. we not only lost them, we looked like an overmatched intramural team down there.

things have gotten a lot better and josh is doing a great job. unfortunately, NOBODY CARES

Just a thought, which flash cards did CJP take to Atlantis?

When I asked about the flash cards I was told that all the coaches were doing it. I've yet to see another one use them. Not saying they aren't but I haven't seen it.

(02-11-2013 10:36 AM)thagr82008 Wrote:  

(02-10-2013 02:38 PM)memphis mania Wrote:  It amazes me how one game could dramatically change the perception of this team. If the refs in the Louisville game had not screwed us, we would be ranked in the top 15 right now, maybe top 10 with 4 and 5 seed numbers beside us. The committee and the media b*tches put too much emphasis on top 25 wins, and ZERO emphasis of taking care of business with average to bad teams. We would be in better shape right now with the minds of the dumb@ss media if we lost to 189 SMU and 165 Tulane but beat Louisville. Doesn't make any damn since. As long as this is the formula to get in the Tournament, then there is no reason to ever schedule bad teams. Hell, if you can, schedule every team in the damn top 25 for your OOC opponents. You are bound to beat a few, and that’s good enough in the minds of these no talent, zombie ass clowns we call college basketball analysts.

Those are ALL valid points, But I must ask a question HERE, WHO IN THE HE__ dbl hockey stix is OK with these loses that WE are speaking of????? I don't give a DARN who it is against.......i DON"T LIKE LOSING TO ANYONE!!!!

Trying to satisfy PUNDITs will be the worst mistake we have ever made...IMO...There's absolutely NOTHING wrong with the formula WE have: We get the best recruits; We're setting wins records; we're on the top of the food chain; we get into the dance on a very high %.

Those "GOOD" loses that we are going to soo casually accept are going to start affecting/effecting ALL of the Afforementioned perks that we enjoy....It's going to sffect our staff/recruits/attendance.

{1 thing that I will take from CAL, he always reiteratted," It's NOT about the team WE play, It's about US, we're competing against ourselves"} That's why we have such a deep team, The players understand that and it's very difficult to have THAT luxury. And that's why we see teams losing to inferior teams.

A good loss my EYE! Recruits don't wanna hear that! Who cares what the PUNDITS go by!

When an institution is faced with that kind of adversity, usually BAD things come out> You have to do everything possible to WIN without crossing the PERVERBIAL line....So in ALL actuality, your program really STINKS.....That's where CAL came from....That's the kind of STINTCH that he brought with him...We were so much of a NONFACTOR that it worked .....Jut like UMASS. Now he's safe with his plan because he's NOW @ the VATICAN(protected like "the pope")

WE should really be careful of what we wish for! I just think we've forgotten how good WE have it here:

Schools that have to fight in those overglammerized; overhyped; overvalued; overcommercialized tournaments may seem soo delightful from the outside looking in..... But fellow MEMPHITONIANS>>>> WE ARE HATED CAUS WE WIN:

The pundits HAVE TO & MUST DISCREDIT US>>>>> because we are NOT apart of their BIG media circus...and they don't understand what WE understand about our kids & our UNIVERSITY> WE BRING HEART.

Who cares what they say...that's what they're supposed to say.....WE DON"T PAY THEM ANYTHING....THEY HATE US! WHO GIVES A FLIP ? WERE GONNA WIN!

Those coaches try to figure out before the season and into their conference tourney ALL that seeding CRAPPOLA! Whether it's more important for them to WIN the regular season tourney or the post season tourney based on seeding>

When OUR season starts.....WE WANNA WIN EVERY DARN GAME.....That' the way it always is; that's the way it should be ......AND I LOVE IT...

And guess ? OUR RECRUITS LOVE THAT MENTALITY TOO....That's Y we get them....You don't think GERON want's to WIN every game?

That young man has brought an INCREDIBLE FIRE HERE.....He's the main reason for DJ's EXPLOSION & reammergence....

WE CANNOT LOSE FOCUS OF THAT......but IMOO...I think that is jeopardised in the MEGA conferences that WE feel we should be in to gain respect....NEWS FLASH...We don't NEED their respect to be successful......WE"RE ALREADY SUCCESSFUL.....We're the winningest Darn team in the history of basketball.....You don't have to be in a MEGA conference to win the NC......YOU just have to WIN PERIOD.....No matter who it is against.

That's the way we think right now & I love that attitude.... It's should always be about the KIDS in every aspect & NOT the adults selfcentered meanderings.....The KIDS come to MEMPHIS bacause they can see That WE LIKE TO WIN.....every game

Be careful what you wish for

This is kind of how I imagine Kerouac's first Benzedrine-fueled version of On The Road went.

(02-11-2013 09:33 AM)JMSTiger Wrote:  

(02-11-2013 09:30 AM)mitjones Wrote:  

(02-11-2013 08:45 AM)jgardne Wrote:  palm is not really thinking what our resume will look like at 31-3 and what will happen to the rest of the teams. 3-3 top 50 and 6-7 more top 100 wins against no losses is not an 8 seed. Wh don't you just compare resumes from us this year and last year and you'll see the difference (mainly in bad losses I'd suspect).

Anyway, I doubt we win out so while all this discussion is nice, it's probably moot. Hard for me to envision we go on the road and win @ UTEP, @ UCF, and @ Xavier all in a row

I agree with you. I think that is a brutal stretch that a lot of people are under-estimating by saying we are going to win out. The good thing is that we always play our best bball late under Pastner & I have confidence that we can win at least 2 of those, which should be enough. Remember - last year we lost 8 games & dropped a few we shouldn't have. This year, at 4 or even 5 losses - we should be in better shape than we were last year. Of course, the media is not going to let us lose another game, but we can't control that. I would anticipate most people on this board, deep down, realize we are likely to lose at least 1 of those 3. This year, Memphis has certainly done a better job than in the past 2 seasons at winning the games we are supposed to win & not having those huge letdowns. 8 more games to go. Our seeding will largely be determined by how we perform in these 8 games.

I think most people understand that winning out will be incredibly difficult to do. That is why I phrase everything with "if they win out."

While it might be difficult and unrealistic I'd bet money on Memphis being among a small few who could do it.

(02-10-2013 02:49 PM)macgar32 Wrote:  

(02-10-2013 02:45 PM)JacobSmiley Wrote:  

(02-10-2013 02:43 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(02-10-2013 01:38 PM)transitt Wrote:  Calipari got a 2 seed in 06-07 with two top 50 wins...a 2 seed.

Best response. Succinct and accurate.

The 08-09's resume wasn't much better.

Can't underestimate Cal's politic-ing for that seed either. He knew the resume was crap, but he's like EF Hutton.

Eh...It is easier to get a better seed coming off of Elite 8, Elite 8 and Final Game...We had proven in previous years we were worthy (I know it is not right) and that is what happens to all the big 6 conferences now. If you beat UNC you are good...Because UNC is normally good.

Miami is experiencing this right now. They beat a UNC team ranked 35 in the RPI at home and people are arguing for them to be #1 in the country. We beat USM ranked 45 in the RPI on the road and we are still are not a lock to make the tourney.

They also beat DUKIE & NC STATE