(02-10-2013 01:47 PM)Mestophalies Wrote:  

(02-10-2013 01:16 PM)bearcatlawjd Wrote:  

(02-10-2013 01:11 PM)Mestophalies Wrote:  This article is about the BBall rights only. Read it several times if you wish but that's the fact of the matter. The 23 mil offer is for BBall only.

NBC offers BE BBall contract...

I don't read that as basketball rights but it could be. It says NBC has offered $20 to $23 for "Media Rights" for the Big East conference; however, the C7 context makes you beleive it could be for basketball only.

Also, the conference does have a football deal for next season so the basketball deals could be worked on first while football could be a few months down the road.

They were discussing the BBall contract and the fact that there is none for next year and that's what they were working on. I love how people turn crap around to the negative around here.

The lack of decent reading-comprehension skills is a sign of a poor educational system. Thanks for pointing out what I was about to, M.

(02-10-2013 03:16 PM)Ned Low Wrote:  

(02-10-2013 01:47 PM)Mestophalies Wrote:  

(02-10-2013 01:16 PM)bearcatlawjd Wrote:  

(02-10-2013 01:11 PM)Mestophalies Wrote:  This article is about the BBall rights only. Read it several times if you wish but that's the fact of the matter. The 23 mil offer is for BBall only.

NBC offers BE BBall contract...

I don't read that as basketball rights but it could be. It says NBC has offered $20 to $23 for "Media Rights" for the Big East conference; however, the C7 context makes you beleive it could be for basketball only.

Also, the conference does have a football deal for next season so the basketball deals could be worked on first while football could be a few months down the road.

They were discussing the BBall contract and the fact that there is none for next year and that's what they were working on. I love how people turn crap around to the negative around here.

The lack of decent reading-comprehension skills is a sign of a poor educational system. Thanks for pointing out what I was about to, M.

So Aresco was lying when he said the basketball TV deal would be with ESPN and CBS for next year? Or is NBC looking for a contract for the following year(s)?

(02-10-2013 01:11 PM)Mestophalies Wrote:  This article is about the BBall rights only. Read it several times if you wish but that's the fact of the matter. The 23 mil offer is for BBall only.

NBC offers BE BBall contract...

Sorry, the article clearly states that the NBC offer is to acquire the media rights of the league. It did not state that it was basketball specific.

(02-10-2013 01:11 PM)Mestophalies Wrote:  This article is about the BBall rights only. Read it several times if you wish but that's the fact of the matter. The 23 mil offer is for BBall only.

NBC offers BE BBall contract...

How about going to the source? Not some article quoting the source.

The ESPN piece makes clear that the NBC offer is for 6 years, the first year is a basketball bridge (because ESPN still has the Big East for football in 2013), and then it becomes a 5-year basketball/football contract:

NBC Sports Network verbally offered the Big East between $20 million and $23 million per year for six years to acquire the league's media rights, sources told ESPN.

. . .

NBC Sports Network's deal for the Big East would include a "bridge year" for basketball in 2013-14 and then would "sync" the football and basketball deals together for another five to six seasons so they expire at the same time.

I asked McMurphy via direct message on Twitter and he confirmed to me the following:

(1) This offer from NBC is for all-sports (not just basketball)

(2) There aren't other multimedia partners involved. This NBC offer is for everything TV-wise. ESPN can match it and get the package itself, but it's either one or the other. Fox isn't interested.

The offer reflects that there is only one legit suitor. As I've said a countless times here, the only way that the Big East makes a large amount is of there's a bidding war. Well, there simply isn't a bidding war here - NBC/Comcast has shown to be a thrifty organization, so this offer reflects that it's not going to drive up the price on its own to be charitable.

If true then oh well it was nice being in the Big East while it lasted. It won't exist for us to join.

(02-10-2013 04:38 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  If true then oh well it was nice being in the Big East while it lasted. It won't exist for us to join.

Exactly. If correct, 1.8 million per team will become the Big East epitaph.

And if UC, UConn, USF bail this year, it's Over anyway.

(02-10-2013 04:31 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  I asked McMurphy via direct message on Twitter and he confirmed to me the following:

(1) This offer from NBC is for all-sports (not just basketball)

(2) There aren't other multimedia partners involved. This NBC offer is for everything TV-wise. ESPN can match it and get the package itself, but it's either one or the other. Fox isn't interested.

The offer reflects that there is only one legit suitor. As I've said a countless times here, the only way that the Big East makes a large amount is of there's a bidding war. Well, there simply isn't a bidding war here - NBC/Comcast has shown to be a thrifty organization, so this offer reflects that it's not going to drive up the price on its own to be charitable.

Does McMurphy know how many football and basketball games are being sold in the NBC deal? If he doesn't, then he can't say it's for everything.

Fox's C-USA deal has been completely devalued. As has CBS College Sports. CBS had the Big East's first tier basketball rights. They had an exclusive bargaining window just like ESPN. Probably have a right to match.

If the C-7 go with Fox, then CBS has lost inventory. With Aresco's connections to CBS, are you telling us they don't want any of our inventory?

Frankly, I don't trust McMurphy knows the whole story here.

(02-10-2013 04:46 PM)CardFan1 Wrote:  And if UC, UConn, USF bail this year, it's Over anyway.

USF doesn't have anywhere to go. They have a really big problem right now. Cincy and UCONN can probably convince the C7 to let them hang around and then they bastardize their football program, but at least they can maintain their marque sport. USF has the same amount of options as UCF, ECU, and the rest of the unwashed.

(02-10-2013 04:31 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  I asked McMurphy via direct message on Twitter and he confirmed to me the following:

(1) This offer from NBC is for all-sports (not just basketball)

(2) There aren't other multimedia partners involved. This NBC offer is for everything TV-wise. ESPN can match it and get the package itself, but it's either one or the other. Fox isn't interested.

The offer reflects that there is only one legit suitor. As I've said a countless times here, the only way that the Big East makes a large amount is of there's a bidding war. Well, there simply isn't a bidding war here - NBC/Comcast has shown to be a thrifty organization, so this offer reflects that it's not going to drive up the price on its own to be charitable.

Thanks Frank, insightful (and very wordy) as always. Things are looking very bleak for us.

CougarRed - I know that there are going to be people here that will choose not to be believe because it's from McMurphy and ESPN, but note that every report of an actual offer from a network with specific numbers and a specific timeframe has turned out to be largely correct. This isn't some vague estimate from an "industry source".

McMurphy specifically stated that Fox approached the C7 BEFORE they split up. Don't people see what's happening here? With all of the tinfoil hat obsession about ESPN, you've forgotten about Fox. They're the ones that had the kill shot for the Big East. If you think that the C7 are getting overpaid, you might be right. That's because Fox HAD to overpay them to get them to split. If they just got "market" rate, they would have never been spurred to split off from the hybrid. So, any comparisons to the C7 TV deal really don't matter - they for a blood money offer to split off that won't exist for the Big East (so the C7 is getting a premium for this). Regardless, that means Fox has zero interest in the New Big East rights and CBS has little funding for the CBs Sports Network even if they wanted to get into the game. With ESPN's tepid interest, that left NBC to effectively give a bargain basement offer.

I'm sure there are many of you here that won't care about what I just said and will believe to the bitter end that a fountain of cash is going to appear out of nowhere, but just ask yourself if (1) that's realistic or (2) whether a single thing that Aresco has predicted/promised has come true.

(02-10-2013 04:50 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(02-10-2013 04:46 PM)CardFan1 Wrote:  And if UC, UConn, USF bail this year, it's Over anyway.

USF doesn't have anywhere to go. They have a really big problem right now. Cincy and UCONN can probably convince the C7 to let them hang around and then they bastardize their football program, but at least they can maintain their marque sport. USF has the same amount of options as UCF, ECU, and the rest of the unwashed.

Actually USF has a bit more options than those you mention. Remember they still get to vote on decisions affecting the future of the league involving the C7.

I wonder which rats will flee the sinking ship first? Will the C7 take Cincy and UCONN? Will the MWC take Houston and SMU?

(02-10-2013 05:06 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  CougarRed - I know that there are going to be people here that will choose not to be believe because it's from McMurphy and ESPN, but note that every report of an actual offer from a network with specific numbers and a specific timeframe has turned out to be largely correct. This isn't some vague estimate from an "industry source".

McMurphy specifically stated that Fox approached the C7 BEFORE they split up. Don't people see what's happening here? With all of the tinfoil hat obsession about ESPN, you've forgotten about Fox. They're the ones that had the kill shot for the Big East. If you think that the C7 are getting overpaid, you might be right. That's because Fox HAD to overpay them to get them to split. If they just got "market" rate, they would have never been spurred to split off from the hybrid. So, any comparisons to the C7 TV deal really don't matter - they for a blood money offer to split off that won't exist for the Big East (so the C7 is getting a premium for this). Regardless, that means Fox has zero interest in the New Big East rights and CBS has little funding for the CBs Sports Network even if they wanted to get into the game. With ESPN's tepid interest, that left NBC to effectively give a bargain basement offer.

I'm sure there are many of you here that won't care about what I just said and will believe to the bitter end that a fountain of cash is going to appear out of nowhere, but just ask yourself if (1) that's realistic or (2) whether a single thing that Aresco has predicted/promised has come true.

Was there really any reason to believe the nBe would get anything other than the best GO5 revenue? 20-23 mil sounds about right.

USF was mentioned because other than Temple, They would be the last of Current BE schools to leave thus dissolving the current BE if that were to happen. Bad spot to be in for sure for everyone. Hope for the best outcome for everyone involved.

(02-10-2013 05:08 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(02-10-2013 04:50 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(02-10-2013 04:46 PM)CardFan1 Wrote:  And if UC, UConn, USF bail this year, it's Over anyway.

USF doesn't have anywhere to go. They have a really big problem right now. Cincy and UCONN can probably convince the C7 to let them hang around and then they bastardize their football program, but at least they can maintain their marque sport. USF has the same amount of options as UCF, ECU, and the rest of the unwashed.

Actually USF has a bit more options than those you mention. Remember they still get to vote on decisions affecting the future of the league involving the C7.

Sure you have a vote, but where are you going to go if the league falls apart, which appears very possible right now?

(02-10-2013 05:10 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(02-10-2013 05:08 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(02-10-2013 04:50 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(02-10-2013 04:46 PM)CardFan1 Wrote:  And if UC, UConn, USF bail this year, it's Over anyway.

USF doesn't have anywhere to go. They have a really big problem right now. Cincy and UCONN can probably convince the C7 to let them hang around and then they bastardize their football program, but at least they can maintain their marque sport. USF has the same amount of options as UCF, ECU, and the rest of the unwashed.

Actually USF has a bit more options than those you mention. Remember they still get to vote on decisions affecting the future of the league involving the C7.

Sure you have a vote, but where are you going to go if the league falls apart, which appears very possible right now?

The same place that Memphis,ECU,UCF,Temple and Tulane would go nowhere. That's why this league will stay afloat even if tats the tv deal they get

(02-10-2013 05:06 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  CougarRed - I know that there are going to be people here that will choose not to be believe because it's from McMurphy and ESPN, but note that every report of an actual offer from a network with specific numbers and a specific timeframe has turned out to be largely correct. This isn't some vague estimate from an "industry source".

McMurphy specifically stated that Fox approached the C7 BEFORE they split up. Don't people see what's happening here? With all of the tinfoil hat obsession about ESPN, you've forgotten about Fox. They're the ones that had the kill shot for the Big East. If you think that the C7 are getting overpaid, you might be right. That's because Fox HAD to overpay them to get them to split. If they just got "market" rate, they would have never been spurred to split off from the hybrid. So, any comparisons to the C7 TV deal really don't matter - they for a blood money offer to split off that won't exist for the Big East (so the C7 is getting a premium for this). Regardless, that means Fox has zero interest in the New Big East rights and CBS has little funding for the CBs Sports Network even if they wanted to get into the game. With ESPN's tepid interest, that left NBC to effectively give a bargain basement offer.

I'm sure there are many of you here that won't care about what I just said and will believe to the bitter end that a fountain of cash is going to appear out of nowhere, but just ask yourself if (1) that's realistic or (2) whether a single thing that Aresco has predicted/promised has come true.

What about the Daniels article that talks about Fox and Turner? If the numbers are that low everybody is gone and Aresco should be fired too.

(02-10-2013 05:13 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(02-10-2013 05:10 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(02-10-2013 05:08 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(02-10-2013 04:50 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote:  

(02-10-2013 04:46 PM)CardFan1 Wrote:  And if UC, UConn, USF bail this year, it's Over anyway.

USF doesn't have anywhere to go. They have a really big problem right now. Cincy and UCONN can probably convince the C7 to let them hang around and then they bastardize their football program, but at least they can maintain their marque sport. USF has the same amount of options as UCF, ECU, and the rest of the unwashed.

Actually USF has a bit more options than those you mention. Remember they still get to vote on decisions affecting the future of the league involving the C7.

Sure you have a vote, but where are you going to go if the league falls apart, which appears very possible right now?

The same place that Memphis,ECU,UCF,Temple and Tulane would go nowhere. That's why this league will stay afloat even if tats the tv deal they get

They won't even get that joke of a deal if anyone else leaves, and then it's not worth ECU paying whatever buyout we would owe C-USA. The league would need to cover whatever we owed C-USA and wave any entrance fee for it to be worth joining a league with the exact same TV deal.