It's not rhetorical. There is and will be an answer in some form. Somebody has to decide whether Walter tries to play contact football again (which is very distinct from the question of whether someone will allow Walter to play football for them) whether it's the NFL, CFL, indoor or whatever. You said [b]"I cannot see how Walter is the best judge of what risks he should/ wants to take in his life." If he's not the best judge then WHO is? But you are correct that I know you don't have an answer.[/b]
Look man, you asked for information. I provided. We can agree to disagree. However, if you wanna get all snarky and ish, that can happen too. It is a message board after all. I guess that's abt par for the course. Never my intention here. Just had a difference of opinion.
Yes we all know and agree for the millionth? time that teams are risk-averse when it comes to their money and they may not give him the chance due to liability concerns.
Millionth?!? Seriously dude? You said it...what...twice? And btw, all you have is character/ narrative-driven stuff. I get it, he's a good guy, you like him, power to ppl. He has the right, therefore he is the best one to make the decision. Some how you have no problem repeating yourself ad nauseum (millionth?) on this end.
I'm putting forth that the NFL is the best decision maker....so therefore you have, and had in my previous reply, an answer. They will be the ultimate decision maker.
Got a source that there is a consensus? Per the article above, opinions vary in the extreme.
Per the article article, yes. However, per the organization he is attempting to join there IS a consensus, hence him being barred from participating.
You are the one claiming his decision making is perhaps flawed. I'm only saying that he's the best one to make the decision. (I think it's possible he decides to play and suffers a serious injury related to his condition. I also think it's possible he faces no actual additional risk in reality but decides not to play and misses out on a great opportunity. None of us "knows". I'm saying he's the best person to decide though.) And I told you to "read up" not just read "an article". Not that it is infallible, but read up on what his head coach and teammates say about him and tell me which way you lean on his maturity to make decisions about his own life. Feel free to watch video and talk to people too before deciding "I cannot see how Walter is the best judge of what risks he should/ wants to take in his life."
It's not an article and even so, no...that's not all i got. I spent years up in Crosley Tower studying undergrad and then graduate level Economics/ Game Theory. I simply provided you with some info that was easily accessible. I would have never spoken on it had I not had some sort of familiarity with risk assessment. I wasn't aware you had a set # in mind in order to satiate you. C'mon man.....
I say again....I get it, you love that character driven stuff. You want to believe in the heart of a lion type story lines trumping a broader set of points.....have at it. You asked, i provided. I'm not here to change hearts and minds. I just wanted to provide more information. What you do with it is up to you.
Perhaps I've forgotten, but I don't think I "eluded(???) to the fact that this is a life long dream of his". I alluded to the fact that every account I've heard say he handled the original diagnosis with incredible grace and maturity. I also never said anything about emotion not being a factor so I don't understand your comments. It is a factor in a lot of ways - including the emotional pull to not risk the opportunity to live a long healthy life. The real issue, or crux if you like, remains: who better than Walter to decide? Unless your new answer is "anyone 25 or older", please skip all the red herrings.
Yes, it is true that you never explicitly mentioned emotion. I entered that aspect in to the conversation. That's b/c it's pretty damn fair to assume that there's a great deal of emotional attachment to this ordeal for him. Again, it is more likely than not to cloud his abilities in this matter. Once again.....i'll go with the the NFL as the best party to make this decision.
Given your use of them, you should have a better understanding of what a straw man argument is. I never talked about rights although I'm glad we all agree that he has that right. My point clearly remains that a sane Walter, having done his due diligence, is the best person to make decisions about his life including whether to try to continue playing football or not.
Oh let's see....what straw man argument have i constructed? Oh that's right....the one where I said that a young man isnt perhaps the best judge of a dynamic medical issue, the set of potential outcomes? Oh, that's the one? Please. Hardly a straw man situation.
"remains the sane[?!?]" OMG, you made a grammatical error. Lol. Message board grammar Nazis slay me.
It's been posted in another thread (at least twice in fact):
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'If he checks out medically, he's a Top 10 pick.' Mayock on Walter Stewart, this year's best-kept secret http://on.nfl.com/CombineSec
Wow. This is interesting. I think it's fair to say this guy is an outlier. To use your line of thought....there is no consensus on this. Nevertheless, this is interesting. You have once source here. Above you tried to chastise me for "an article." Interesting.....
In sum: You claimed "I cannot see how Walter is the best judge of what risks he should/ wants to take in his life. " Yet after all of this (much of it nonsense), you still can't tell me who is the best judge of what risks he should/wants to take in his life if not Walter himself. Unless that changes I don't see the point in continuing this exchange with you.
Non-sense?!? Ok, you're right. Academic study on risk assessment is non-sense. Normative analysis vs positive analysis; and in your perspective positive wins. Objectivity falls to subjectivity. Nothingness in the wake of 'will, determination, good heartness, yadda yadda yadda, etc.' I mean, bottom line that's the bigger picture we're debating here. You are swayed by what has been said about his reaction/ response/ etc. Fine.
I say again, his potential employer is the best judge. If they allow him to play, so be it. I think it's fair to say they are further removed from the emotional.
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