It happened to UTEP with the loss of Barbee to Auburn, which brought Floyd in..... BTW Auburn is struggling- again. They lost to Winthrop.

It also seems to be happening with SMiss.

Any others?

(02-03-2013 02:16 PM)RUNVSFD MINER Wrote:  It happened to UTEP with the loss of Barbee to Auburn, which brought Floyd in..... BTW Auburn is struggling- again. They lost to Winthrop.

It also seems to be happening with SMiss.

Any others?

Not men's bball but Rick Insell the WBB coach at Middle fits this description. His predecessor Stephany Smith was hired away by Alabama, after a couple successful years. The biggest thing besides all the winning is that Rick has quadrupled the attendance of women's BBall games at Middle Tennessee. I was in Pep band back in the S Smith days and it wasn't uncommon to have have sub 600 attendance in some games. the Lady Raider's now average over 4000 a game. here is excerpts from Ricks Bio from our athletics site, which lists his accomplishments in the last 7 years.

Six NCAA Tournament appearances, five All-Americans and three WNBA Draft picks in seven seasons

Insell enters his eighth season in 2012-13 with a remarkable 174-54 (.763) ledger, collecting more wins than any other coach in school history over the same timeframe.

He is now the all time winningest WBB Coach at MT.

Insell has also amassed an impressive Sun Belt ledger, posting a 122-15 (.891) mark during his tenure, including the league's last undefeated marks of 16-0 this past season and 18-0 during the 2006-07 campaign. In seven Sun Belt Tournament appearances, he has lost just three times in 19 tries.

During the regular season against conference opponents, Middle Tennessee has won the last 37 inside the historic Murphy Center and improved its home SBC ledger to 61-1 (he lost 1 more this season and is currently 66-2) under Insell during his seven seasons.

He has added five Sun Belt regular-season championships and four Sun Belt Tournament titles to his mantle. The four tournament crowns have led to NCAA Tournament appearances, and with an at-large NCAA selection this past year and a Postseason WNIT berth in 2008, have put Insell-led teams in the postseason in each of his seven seasons.

Middle Tennessee has won at least 20 contests in each of his seven years, including a school-record 30 during the 2006-07 campaign, which saw it own the nation's longest winning streak at 27 games and not losing for over 100 days.

As a team, Middle Tennessee has ranked among the national leaders in scoring offense and steals per game in each of Insell's seven seasons. The Blue Raiders have placed as high as second in the country for 3-pointers made per game

I wouldn't consider Colorado St. a big five school, I honestly thought it was a lateral move but when you're paying your coaches in Olive Garden coupons like we are, the Indiana school of Jazz is a step up from Southern Miss.

Not convinced Floyd has done a better job, just think he's more popular. Not really the same thing is it?

Jim Donnan left for Georgia and Bobby Pruett succeeded him. I don't know if we were better under Pruett, but we definitely didn't fall off.

(02-03-2013 03:26 PM)Tampa Bay Tiger Wrote:  Not convinced Floyd has done a better job, just think he's more popular. Not really the same thing is it?

The program is better shape now.

Floyd has put together a much tougher schedule. Barbee would not have been able to keep up with this year's sched. Floyd's recruiting classes are also better. Oregon is a top ten team, and Floyd beat them. Barbee would not/did not beat anyone at that level.

Barbee has taken Auburn from bad, to worse IMO.

(02-03-2013 03:31 PM)RUNVSFD MINER Wrote:  

(02-03-2013 03:26 PM)Tampa Bay Tiger Wrote:  Not convinced Floyd has done a better job, just think he's more popular. Not really the same thing is it?

The program is better shape now.

Floyd has put together a much tougher schedule. Barbee would not have been able to keep up with this year's sched. Floyd's recruiting classes are also better. Oregon is a top ten team, and Floyd beat them. Barbee would not/did not beat anyone at that level.

Barbee has taken Auburn from bad, to worse IMO.

That's speculation on your part. Barbee made the NCAA tournament by year 2 or 3? Floyd won't sniff that most likely for another two years. I don't think you can make a clear case for Floyd at this point. I just think he's adored, big difference.

Floyd's class for next year is light years above anything Barbee ever put together. If memory serves, the UTEP fans were getting tired of Barbee prior to his one good season.

(02-03-2013 03:38 PM)Tampa Bay Tiger Wrote:  

(02-03-2013 03:31 PM)RUNVSFD MINER Wrote:  

(02-03-2013 03:26 PM)Tampa Bay Tiger Wrote:  Not convinced Floyd has done a better job, just think he's more popular. Not really the same thing is it?

The program is better shape now.

Floyd has put together a much tougher schedule. Barbee would not have been able to keep up with this year's sched. Floyd's recruiting classes are also better. Oregon is a top ten team, and Floyd beat them. Barbee would not/did not beat anyone at that level.

Barbee has taken Auburn from bad, to worse IMO.

That's speculation on your part. Barbee made the NCAA tournament by year 2 or 3? Floyd won't sniff that most likely for another two years. I don't think you can make a clear case for Floyd at this point. I just think he's adored, big difference.

Barbee made the NCAA in year 4. I think Floyd is going to get us there (or at least in the mix) next year.

(02-03-2013 03:43 PM)transitt Wrote:  Floyd's class for next year is light years above anything Barbee ever put together. If memory serves, the UTEP fans were getting tired of Barbee prior to his one good season.

We were tired of the lack of defense, and getting beat by teams who could shoot the 3. That's why we couldn't keep up with Butler.

VCU lost Anthony Grant to Alabama-Tuscaloosa and replaced him with Shaka Smart. I think VCU won that round.

Plenty have. Look at TCU and Boise State for co Exhibit A.
La Tech
Houston
Louisville
Just off the top of my head.

(02-03-2013 03:38 PM)Tampa Bay Tiger Wrote:  

(02-03-2013 03:31 PM)RUNVSFD MINER Wrote:  

(02-03-2013 03:26 PM)Tampa Bay Tiger Wrote:  Not convinced Floyd has done a better job, just think he's more popular. Not really the same thing is it?

The program is better shape now.

Floyd has put together a much tougher schedule. Barbee would not have been able to keep up with this year's sched. Floyd's recruiting classes are also better. Oregon is a top ten team, and Floyd beat them. Barbee would not/did not beat anyone at that level.

Barbee has taken Auburn from bad, to worse IMO.

That's speculation on your part. Barbee made the NCAA tournament by year 2 or 3? Floyd won't sniff that most likely for another two years. I don't think you can make a clear case for Floyd at this point. I just think he's adored, big difference.

Barbee didn't make the tournament at UTEP till his 4th year. Although, he left a senior laden team, this is really Floyd's 2nd year at building the program.

Message board and sports radio Miner fans are just a small percentage of the fandom. In general, Barbee was popular. Why not? He improved every year. At the time, we were sad when he left. Floyd was more of a wish list coach rather than a reality. I think we got lucky that Billy G threw his name into the hat.

Stats, numbers, etc dont paint the real story. Barbee's head was firmly pressed against his personal success ceiling. The sky is the limit in UTEPia under Coach Floyd. And our success will not rest on one player like it did with Derick Caracter.

John Calipari--In the middle of his 4th year, Josh Pastner has a better won-loss record than Cal did over his first 3 1/2 years and that's with a tougher SOS rating than Cal.

Of course, Pastner has to get to the tourney this year and win a game. That seems to be the benchmark for Memphis fans. We've been there twice in Pastner's first 3 years, but have yet to win.

wish i could say yes, but losing jones (basketball) to lsu and the subsequent hiring of benford has been a huge effing disaster...we are much much much much much much much worse off...

Almost certain Donnie Tyndall's going to be an upgrade over Larry Eustachy.

Are we talking about basketball or football also? Tech did a lot better when Dooley left for Tennessee

(02-03-2013 03:25 PM)Billy Free Wrote:  I wouldn't consider Colorado St. a big five school, I honestly thought it was a lateral move but when you're paying your coaches in Olive Garden coupons like we are, the Indiana school of Jazz is a step up from Southern Miss.

Why is it that some of our on fans just can't wait to jump in and be the first to say something negative about our own school. FYI, Eustachy did not leave because of money, he was RG's guy, and he knew as soon as RG was out, he didn't want to stay. We had a president at the time that did not like anything/anyone associated with RG. That's a fact. That's why he left.

For the record, I was a big Eustachy fan, but I think we did as good, if not better, with our hire.

(02-03-2013 05:41 PM)Up2stuff Wrote:  

(02-03-2013 03:25 PM)Billy Free Wrote:  I wouldn't consider Colorado St. a big five school, I honestly thought it was a lateral move but when you're paying your coaches in Olive Garden coupons like we are, the Indiana school of Jazz is a step up from Southern Miss.

Why is it that some of our on fans just can't wait to jump in and be the first to say something negative about our own school. FYI, Eustachy did not leave because of money, he was RG's guy, and he knew as soon as RG was out, he didn't want to stay. We had a president at the time that did not like anything/anyone associated with RG. That's a fact. That's why he left.

For the record, I was a big Eustachy fan, but I think we did as good, if not better, with our hire.

My point was that if we cannot up the pay of our coaches and facilities we will continue to lose coaches to schools that are on our level. I was a fan of Eustachy as well and FYI, I know more about what goes on behind closed doors then you give me credit for so I would not lecture me on negativity or things of that nature.