(02-03-2013 07:52 PM)RodShaw2 Wrote:  The article had the football costs of several peer schools including TBR schools to compare with.

I find it strange that they said our costs would be twice that of our peer schools. Strange.

(02-03-2013 08:16 PM)bucfan81 Wrote:  

(02-03-2013 07:52 PM)RodShaw2 Wrote:  The article had the football costs of several peer schools including TBR schools to compare with.

I find it strange that they said our costs would be twice that of our peer schools. Strange.

no, thats called an "agenda"

If our budget is going to be the same as Memphis and MTSU, then does that mean the unspoken plan is to eventually go FBS?

And the Press is all about sensationalism. The $6M figure stirs up the opposition which then gets us stirred up and sells papers. Notice this wasn't published online. It's all about the $$.

00- I'm not sure the Press is all about sensationalism. I can specifically recall a political writer calling out Pete Paduch for being too sensational in government meetings to the point Paduch quit talking to the paper.

If you read my example above about the Science Hill basketball player who brought a gun to school but was not identified in the article reporting it as a star basketball player, it would seem to me that this is either

A- Bad reporting

B- An attempt to bend over backwards to NOT be sensational.

I can show you where there have been locals who have died young and the Press has, again, not so much as listed the cause of death. There's a big difference between cancer, murder victims, and drug overdoses.

Still, I can say the one time where the Press "outed" the people in the park by putting them on the front page it was an act of extreme sensationalism. The people responsible for running that should have been fired, and the fact the Press did not do is unspeakable.

But reporting the cost of football? They didn't just make that up, they are reporting the figures Sander gave them.

Hardly sensational.

(02-03-2013 08:44 PM)etsudolfan Wrote:  

(02-03-2013 08:16 PM)bucfan81 Wrote:  

(02-03-2013 07:52 PM)RodShaw2 Wrote:  The article had the football costs of several peer schools including TBR schools to compare with.

I find it strange that they said our costs would be twice that of our peer schools. Strange.

no, thats called an "agenda"

Dolfan, weren't those the figures actually given to them by ETSU?

How is that an agenda?

There are criticisms I have of the Press, obviously. But you two are simply reciting standard cliches of media criticism.

(02-04-2013 07:08 AM)etsualumni00 Wrote:  If our budget is going to be the same as Memphis and MTSU, then does that mean the unspoken plan is to eventually go FBS?

Now, see, that's an interesting take! Bravo!

(02-04-2013 07:08 AM)etsualumni00 Wrote:  Notice this wasn't published online. It's all about the $$.

Assuming they only do this to sell Sunday papers, realistically they would sell maybe 100 more papers. At best.

The reason it wasn't online, I'm betting, is simply they don't have the technology to do so or they don't think ETSU football is important enough.

They don't think their sports guys can handle a story like this, so why would they think it was important enough to make sure the figures given get maximum exposure?

(02-04-2013 08:57 AM)PittsburghBucs Wrote:  

(02-03-2013 08:44 PM)etsudolfan Wrote:  

(02-03-2013 08:16 PM)bucfan81 Wrote:  

(02-03-2013 07:52 PM)RodShaw2 Wrote:  The article had the football costs of several peer schools including TBR schools to compare with.

I find it strange that they said our costs would be twice that of our peer schools. Strange.

no, thats called an "agenda"

Dolfan, weren't those the figures actually given to them by ETSU?

How is that an agenda?

There are criticisms I have of the Press, obviously. But you two are simply reciting standard cliches of media criticism.

their tone, the graphical error are examples of their agenda...not the official numbers themselves

They didn't give the article away for free online. For subscribers it was in fact online. The entire newspaper is online.
If they released the whole newspaper online for free that would hurt sales. They do put certain articles online for free but for the most part they put teasers online, partial articles to try and get you to buy the paper.

(02-04-2013 09:24 AM)RodShaw2 Wrote:  They didn't give the article away for free online. For subscribers it was in fact online. The entire newspaper is online.
If they released the whole newspaper online for free that would hurt sales. They do put certain articles online for free but for the most part they put teasers online, partial articles to try and get you to buy the paper.

and if they put it all online for free, they'd go out of business with everyone going digital

Pitt- ive long been a critic of the news identifying suspects in crimes before they are convicted especially with a photo. It ruins reputations when quite often the defendant is either not prosecuted or not found guilty.

But, what is the difference in reporting those that got arrested for the park indecent behavior, and any other crime? A few weeks ago they published a story with a photo, etc. about a homeless man who was taken in by a family, and he stole the wife's panties. Yes, thats weird, but at the end of the day its a theft under $500 charge with likely probation. If you are going to publish reports of arrests of drugs, those arrested for the park behavior should be fair game also.

Again, I wish they would quit publishing any of it but it certainly is not a fireable offense to report a crime but not others. Its all public record.

Rod- I'm of the opinion keeping some information in a "pay-to-read" form doesn't really work that well. It creates more resentment than newspaper sales or subscriptions.

But it also relates to what I'm saying. If you have a story- PLAGUE TO HIT JOHNSON CITY- RUN FOR YOUR LIVES!!!!!

Then you don't make people pay to subscribe to it. You post that for free. It's rather important.

But ETSU football? By releasing this information the way they did it implies that only a select few passionate people really care and will pay to get the info. That's my opinion.

Okay, now, Dolf- a graphical error is a graphical error. It means they have poor copy editing skills, not an agenda. There is a difference.

Could you give me an example of their tone?

No offense, but I have a feeling that their "tone" is simply that they haven't written it as "HEY! ETSU IS GONNA HAVE FOOTBALL AGAIN! WANNA SEE HOW THEY'RE GONNA DO IT? YAY!"

(02-04-2013 09:36 AM)etsubuc Wrote:  Pitt- ive long been a critic of the news identifying suspects in crimes before they are convicted especially with a photo. It ruins reputations when quite often the defendant is either not prosecuted or not found guilty.

I AGREE TOTALLY! I may be in the minority on this among my peers, but I totally agree!

(02-04-2013 09:43 AM)PittsburghBucs Wrote:  Rod- I'm of the opinion keeping some information in a "pay-to-read" form doesn't really work that well. It creates more resentment than newspaper sales or subscriptions.

But it also relates to what I'm saying. If you have a story- PLAGUE TO HIT JOHNSON CITY- RUN FOR YOUR LIVES!!!!!

Then you don't make people pay to subscribe to it. You post that for free. It's rather important.

But ETSU football? By releasing this information the way they did it implies that only a select few passionate people really care and will pay to get the info. That's my opinion.

Okay, now, Dolf- a graphical error is a graphical error. It means they have poor copy editing skills, not an agenda. There is a difference.

Could you give me an example of their tone?

No offense, but I have a feeling that their "tone" is simply that they haven't written it as "HEY! ETSU IS GONNA HAVE FOOTBALL AGAIN! WANNA SEE HOW THEY'RE GONNA DO IT? YAY!"

Go back and read all of their stories on ETSU football....most of them, paint it in a negative light. They haven't yet run a story on the positives that it brings to the community...all they want to talk about are the student fees, students' votes, etc. They are being bias by omission. If they are truly neutral, then they would ACTUALLY look at both sides, and spend equal amount of time covering both sides, not just focusing on the cost and people against it. As for you pitt, I don't understand why you have to be condescending in your posts...you act like you are above everyone else and 99% of your posts attack others opinions. I'm sick of hearing you rant about how JC is not a sports town...if you like ETSU so much, then stop being a prick

There is a big difference between PLAGUE hits Johnson City and Football returning in order of importance by a level of several magnitudes not a good comparison. It was the Front page story, I am sure the Press wanted people to go out and buy the paper not read it for free, you do front page stories like that to try and boost sales, it would make not sense to turn around and give it away for free.

(02-04-2013 09:36 AM)etsubuc Wrote:  But, what is the difference in reporting those that got arrested for the park indecent behavior, and any other crime? A few weeks ago they published a story with a photo, etc. about a homeless man who was taken in by a family, and he stole the wife's panties. Yes, thats weird, but at the end of the day its a theft under $500 charge with likely probation. If you are going to publish reports of arrests of drugs, those arrested for the park behavior should be fair game also.

Again, I wish they would quit publishing any of it but it certainly is not a fireable offense to report a crime but not others. Its all public record.

Okay, here's why.

Because the Press didn't just report this. They blasted it on the front page with what amounted to an arrest report released by the city cops.

And when was the last time you saw the Press, or any newspaper, release an arrest report on the front page?

The Press wasn't reporting that the park was no longer going to be "Inspiration Point," to steal the old term used in Happy Days. By placing the arrested in a big block above the fold The Press was trying to out homosexuals in a community that is hardly San Francisco when it comes to acceptance.

They might as well have run the headline "QUEERS AMONG US! HERE THEY ARE!"

You and I both know that if these were arrests made for indecency or whatever the charge is with a straight boy-girl couple. Couple of teenagers in the backseat of a car- that's not a story. A reporter brings that one in to an editor and he'll laugh at you for not coming up with real stuff and yell at you for being petty, then probably ask something along the lines of "Did you get the shoplifting list at K-Mart, too?"

So why is it a story here?

To add to the disgrace, a guy killed himself because he was supposedly "outed."

What kind of a community do we live in where someone would feel the need to do that if he was "outed?"

As far as I'm concerned, the Johnson City Press became one of those horrible dollar "BUSTED" rags you see at the Scotchman that day.

And that ain't journalism. Not by a long shot.

And I'm a guy who thinks homosexuals politicize their sexuality too much!

So that's your difference.

(02-04-2013 09:49 AM)RodShaw2 Wrote:  There is a big difference between PLAGUE hits Johnson City and Football returning in order of importance by a level of several magnitudes not a good comparison. It was the Front page story, I am sure the Press wanted people to go out and buy the paper not read it for free, you do front page stories like that to try and boost sales, it would make not sense to turn around and give it away for free.

Again, it is my opinion that by trying to release that information this way, you get a very small percentage of people who say- "YEAH! YEAH! GOTTA GO BUY THAT! YEAH!" and a significantly greater amount that get ticked off at the newspaper for trying to mix-and-match what they release.

And that greater amount then eventually ignores the mix-and-match outlet, in this case the Press, and then goes on to get their information from other sources, such as this board when it relates to ETSU.



Why am I arguing with a fry cook?

I don't agree with posting peoples names but over 40 men were arrested in that sting, it was a bit more then a couple of teenagers making out in the parking lot. It was a big news story but the names should not have been released.

As for what kind of community do we live in, Johnson City has a very large gay/lesbian community as does ETSU.
There isn't much of stigma in this area, buckle of the bible belt or not, sorry there just isn't.

Who the hell is a fry cook? certainly not me. I work for a company who owns 180+ fast food restaurants in 11 states yes. I am in the IT department. But nice try, can I get a cab to the airport please?

As for the Johnson City Press and thier policies, I don't set them, they do, if you don't like how they do things, include it in your next email to Kelly Hodge. I was just pointing out why they were probably doing it that way.

Oh, come on now! Let's not have this, shall we Rod?

You know damn well that even if there is a large homosexual community in Johnson City, which I hear but I don't necessarily see, this is not a community of great acceptance. A trip to the vast majority of churches in the area will bear that out. You might as well be trying to tell me that the night is bright.

That said, we agree on the second point. The names should not have been released. I would have run a story on the arrests, because it is news that the park is likely not going to be an "Inspiration Point" any longer, but not the names.

Why you feel the need to defend the Press' selection of what news is important enough to be free and what is something we feel you gotta buy, I don't know. It certainly isn't your field.

My mistake on fry cook. But it's nice to know with the tone of that quick dismissal you look down on your employees and make your money on the malnutrition of the public.

You poison their bodies by day, and then their minds on here at night! What a Christian you are!!!!!!!!