The problem that I see with this is their football. The primary reason they went ACC was for the football- the non BCS football bowl games. Like this year, if they hadn't made the BCS they would have had no bowls. Swarbrick really stressed that when they joined.

Unless something was up- like they got a slot in a game like a Gator Bowl guaranteed no matter what if they were eligible.... Kind of similar to the setup that Army, Navy, and BYU have had. Would start in 2014(which is when the new bowl lineups start off).

If the football was taken care of via that, I could see it happen quite frankly. Talk about a game changer. The C7, ND- and then Butler and Xavier- maybe stop there. Also, could see NBC then getting much more involved going forward with the ND angle.

also, this would lead me to believe the ACC is getting set to get gutted making it a place where they don't want to be. And, I'm talking more than just 1-2 teams. I mean 4- 2 each going ACC and SEC- and then more going Big 12 at that point.

And- you have to wonder if the ACC gets really gutted if we see a fb only conference develop, with select bb programs coming to the C7 conference.

(02-01-2013 11:30 PM)stever20 Wrote:  also, this would lead me to believe the ACC is getting set to get gutted making it a place where they don't want to be. And, I'm talking more than just 1-2 teams. I mean 4- 2 each going ACC and SEC- and then more going Big 12 at that point.

And- you have to wonder if the ACC gets really gutted if we see a fb only conference develop, with select bb programs coming to the C7 conference.

if that happens what do we do about vcu?

(02-01-2013 11:36 PM)gosports1 Wrote:  

(02-01-2013 11:30 PM)stever20 Wrote:  also, this would lead me to believe the ACC is getting set to get gutted making it a place where they don't want to be. And, I'm talking more than just 1-2 teams. I mean 4- 2 each going ACC and SEC- and then more going Big 12 at that point.

And- you have to wonder if the ACC gets really gutted if we see a fb only conference develop, with select bb programs coming to the C7 conference.

if that happens what do we do about vcu?

lol, well played...

Heck, in that situation, schools like Xavier and Butler may even not make the conference, let alone VCU.

Notre Dame is a bad idea, an extreme flight risk that does not bring the bling to make it worthwhile. They don't want to be here, they'd jump at the first football power-conference offer that let them stay independent while upgrading their bowls.

UConn carries the same risk, but with a much greater chance of being stuck with us long-term.

If I recall, ND voted to increase the exit fees to $50MM, or at least approved of it. They are not leaving the ACC anytime soon unless there is a complete meltdown.

It is more likely that the Big 12 is feeling the pressure to expand and has no real options. There are no Kings going anywhere. The Barons are pretty well set and the knights know where their bread is buttered. OU has already attempted to leave UT and the Big 12 and if offered they would go, if forced, they would at least give serious consideration to the SEC. Texas wants the PAC 12 but wants their LHN, if either side blinks or they reach a compromise, UT will take OU +2 to the west coast.

Consider also that the B1G reportedly wanted UNC, GATech and UVA but settled for Maryland. It works for the BTN but indicates these schools are content and see a better balance $$ wise down the road. Maryland needs the immediate cash, so jumping may have been more an act of desperation than desire.

(02-02-2013 01:58 PM)HtownOrange Wrote:  If I recall, ND voted to increase the exit fees to $50MM, or at least approved of it. They are not leaving the ACC anytime soon unless there is a complete meltdown.

It is more likely that the Big 12 is feeling the pressure to expand and has no real options. There are no Kings going anywhere. The Barons are pretty well set and the knights know where their bread is buttered. OU has already attempted to leave UT and the Big 12 and if offered they would go, if forced, they would at least give serious consideration to the SEC. Texas wants the PAC 12 but wants their LHN, if either side blinks or they reach a compromise, UT will take OU +2 to the west coast.

Consider also that the B1G reportedly wanted UNC, GATech and UVA but settled for Maryland. It works for the BTN but indicates these schools are content and see a better balance $$ wise down the road. Maryland needs the immediate cash, so jumping may have been more an act of desperation than desire.

I think you are mistaken. ND doesn't really have voting rights yet until they join. Unless the ACC is unlike every other conference. I know the other conferences don't allow that.

it seems like they voted on the exit fee increase when they voted on ND.

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012...er-schools

http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/...hockey-acc

There is little chance of this, John.

Redman, it is my understanding also that ND approved and is bound by the $50 million dollar exit fee.

It may even have been ND's idea to have the exit fee increased as a condition of their joining.

(02-02-2013 02:11 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(02-02-2013 01:58 PM)HtownOrange Wrote:  If I recall, ND voted to increase the exit fees to $50MM, or at least approved of it. They are not leaving the ACC anytime soon unless there is a complete meltdown.

It is more likely that the Big 12 is feeling the pressure to expand and has no real options. There are no Kings going anywhere. The Barons are pretty well set and the knights know where their bread is buttered. OU has already attempted to leave UT and the Big 12 and if offered they would go, if forced, they would at least give serious consideration to the SEC. Texas wants the PAC 12 but wants their LHN, if either side blinks or they reach a compromise, UT will take OU +2 to the west coast.

Consider also that the B1G reportedly wanted UNC, GATech and UVA but settled for Maryland. It works for the BTN but indicates these schools are content and see a better balance $$ wise down the road. Maryland needs the immediate cash, so jumping may have been more an act of desperation than desire.

I think you are mistaken. ND doesn't really have voting rights yet until they join. Unless the ACC is unlike every other conference. I know the other conferences don't allow that.

That's why I added, "...or at least approved..." ND would not join if they did not agree with the exit fee.

(02-02-2013 02:11 PM)TerryD Wrote:  There is little chance of this, John.

Redman, it is my understanding also that ND approved and is bound by the $50 million dollar exit fee.

It may even have been ND's idea to have the exit fee increased as a condition of their joining.

They are bound because they are joining. They did not get a vote though in the matter. Im sure they were aware it was happening and approved but not officially allowed to vote yet.

(02-02-2013 02:16 PM)HtownOrange Wrote:  

(02-02-2013 02:11 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(02-02-2013 01:58 PM)HtownOrange Wrote:  If I recall, ND voted to increase the exit fees to $50MM, or at least approved of it. They are not leaving the ACC anytime soon unless there is a complete meltdown.

It is more likely that the Big 12 is feeling the pressure to expand and has no real options. There are no Kings going anywhere. The Barons are pretty well set and the knights know where their bread is buttered. OU has already attempted to leave UT and the Big 12 and if offered they would go, if forced, they would at least give serious consideration to the SEC. Texas wants the PAC 12 but wants their LHN, if either side blinks or they reach a compromise, UT will take OU +2 to the west coast.

Consider also that the B1G reportedly wanted UNC, GATech and UVA but settled for Maryland. It works for the BTN but indicates these schools are content and see a better balance $$ wise down the road. Maryland needs the immediate cash, so jumping may have been more an act of desperation than desire.

I think you are mistaken. ND doesn't really have voting rights yet until they join. Unless the ACC is unlike every other conference. I know the other conferences don't allow that.

That's why I added, "...or at least approved..." ND would not join if they did not agree with the exit fee.

oops...must have missed that part.

(02-02-2013 02:11 PM)TerryD Wrote:  There is little chance of this, John.

Redman, it is my understanding also that ND approved and is bound by the $50 million dollar exit fee.

It may even have been ND's idea to have the exit fee increased as a condition of their joining.

I hadn't even thought it through from Notre Dame's end. We had kicked the idea of UConn around, and I applied the same analysis.

I had Notre Dame penciled in as a member if we ever split, but that was mostly based on the premise that Notre Dame wouldn't get the deal they got from the ACC. I based that on the fact that they hadn't gotten that deal yet. And then they did.

If UConn comes to us, it basically means that the Aresco LEague situation is bad enough that they'll put football in the MAC to save basketball, rather than see both go down the toilet. If that happens, it's very likely that UConn has missed the last helicopter out of Saigon and they--and their national championship banners--are stuck with us.

If Notre Dame comes to us, it's because they need a temporary shelter from the realignment storm. A very temporary shelter.

I said. "approved and are bound". I didn't say "voted".

What is the difference, anyway?