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Drop Athletics All Together?
I said this in another post but I do believe we are at a point where we either add football or we are going to drop to D2.

My question is what is the point with that. You either accept that athletics are never going to pay for themselves in the traditional matter and view them as marketing for your school or your say we're not going to lose money on any athletics and cut all the sports.

You would risk alienating donors who gave to capital improvements but that argument holds more water with me than football lost money - all sports lost money.

Is it time for ETSU to drop all athletics?
01-29-2013 11:30 AM
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RE: Drop Athletics All Together?
(01-29-2013 11:30 AM)KingsportBucsFan31 Wrote:  I said this in another post but I do believe we are at a point where we either add football or we are going to drop to D2.

My question is what is the point with that. You either accept that athletics are never going to pay for themselves in the traditional matter and view them as marketing for your school or your say we're not going to lose money on any athletics and cut all the sports.

You would risk alienating donors who gave to capital improvements but that argument holds more water with me than football lost money - all sports lost money.

Is it time for ETSU to drop all athletics?

No...that would not be smart and it doesn't add up. dropping to D2 doesn't line up with Noland's talk of growth and becoming a premium brand in athletics...thats regression
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01-29-2013 11:31 AM
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RE: Drop Athletics All Together?
I understand the double standard that you're talking about.

Don't say that football is a money pit or that football losses money. People need to take a step back and realize that the only sport that has any potential of bringing in money for ETSU is football. All of the other sports Tennis, softball, track, soccer... those have always cost way more than they bring in and have no potential for creating exposure or generating revenue.

I wish that someone would figure out just how much men's soccer is losing a year. I'm sure that sport is a real money pit.
01-29-2013 11:44 AM
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(01-29-2013 11:44 AM)Youre my boy blue! Wrote:  I understand the double standard that you're talking about.

Don't say that football is a money pit or that football losses money. People need to take a step back and realize that the only sport that has any potential of bringing in money for ETSU is football. All of the other sports Tennis, softball, track, soccer... those have always cost way more than they bring in and have no potential for creating exposure or generating revenue.

I wish that someone would figure out just how much men's soccer is losing a year. I'm sure that sport is a real money pit.

I can't bash soccer really, because I've been volunteering with coaching the high school team, but I would be curious to know how much each sport is gaining or losing financially. I had read a post by someone a while back that said the ETSU athletics budget in 03 was $5.2 million, with football comprising $1.2 mil of that total and we were losing around $4 mil. Can anyone confirm this info?
01-29-2013 11:50 AM
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RE: Drop Athletics All Together?
Absolutely not.

Think of athletics as promotion for the university.

Pro sports this ain't. Only about 30 football programs in the country "make money" (the Alabamas, Notre Dames, etc.), yet some 120 programs alone play on a Division I level and I believe 700 colleges play football in some form or another (be it FBS to NAIA).
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(01-29-2013 11:50 AM)PittsburghBucs Wrote:  Absolutely not.

Think of athletics as promotion for the university.

Pro sports this ain't. Only about 30 football programs in the country "make money" (the Alabamas, Notre Dames, etc.), yet some 120 programs alone play on a Division I level and I believe 700 colleges play football in some form or another (be it FBS to NAIA).

I should say I am not saying that we should drop athletics just asking the question. But if the options are D2 or nothing I think ETSU should go with nothing.

My alma mater is a D3 and I participated but the more I look back on it the more I think that the money spent on my time as a baseball player was a waste for the college.
01-29-2013 12:05 PM
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RE: Drop Athletics All Together?
First of all, ETSU isn't going to drop athletics.

Second, perhaps a D-III doesn't do a lot for promotion of the school, but I don't know. I would think that Mount Union or Washington & Jefferson get a lot of exposure from their D-III football teams.

As much as Southern California? Of course not. But they aren't Southern California in the first place.

Admittedly both Mt. Union and W & J are big winners with great histories, but then again I see Emory & Henry getting 5,000 fans a football game the last time I checked and attention on WCYB's sportscasts. That probably does a lot of good in getting E & H in the mind of the locals around here.

You want to go down this path we have to ask; "Why does Sullivan East have sports?"
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RE: Drop Athletics All Together?
I don't understand the reasoning behind this question. It is not an either or deal. If ETSU doesn't bring back football that doesn't mean they should drop down to D II or drop sports all together and just the idea is silly. I would prefer football comes back, BUT if it does I want it to be done right with a chance of actually succeeding. If it is going to be half assed I am not interested, it would be just a money pit with no return on the investment. I when I say return on investment I don't mean money, I am not foolish enough to think ETSU football is going to make money anytime soon if ever, but football can bring alot to the table that would benefit the school.

If football is not going to be brought back or at least not properly then ETSU should focus its attention on the baskeball program and using it to advance, like we were promised when football was dropped. Mullins/Stanton botched that thoughly but when you think about it maybe we should thank for being incompetent, if they had been successful that would make bringing football back much harder, they could have claimed their model worked.

I don't see any reason why this should be make or break, it makes no sense to me.
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RE: Drop Athletics All Together?
Or maybe we should just change our name to East Tennessee State Community College.... Your way of thinking is what is wrong with not only ETSU athletics, but the community as a whole.
01-29-2013 01:03 PM
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RE: Drop Athletics All Together?
Kingsport was a very heavy Mullins supporter. Do not forget this.
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