(01-29-2013 02:56 PM)KingsportBucsFan31 Wrote:  Gold,

I have never attended a tennis game and if I had would that have been a problem. Before you ask - no I have not attended a soccer or softball game either for all that it matters. I go to basketball games and once in a blue moon baseball.

I am not a fan of ETSU football except in the context of getting us out of the ASun or keeping us from D2 and that is no secret. Being against the return of football in that context doesn't make me a Mullins supporter. Football has been dropped and I am only interested in what happens going forward. I was not interested in ETSU football before it was dropped and wasn't interest afterwards except with respects to how it has affected basketball - the premier sport of the school. I wasn't calling for it to be dropped but now that it has been I am not calling for it to return except as I said above.

I would appreciate you not attacking me personally. You know nothing of who and what I am.

Because this was posted before the board updated to csnbbs I seem to be unable to quote it. However, my ability to copy/paste the link is intact. You sir stated that you enjoy "watching" ETSU Tennis. How does one watch ETSU Tennis without attending the Tennis match? Do not toy with me. I've been around this board for too long. I know what you are and what you support. Only a country cluber would come here NOW and slyly suggest a fall to Division 2.

"I am choosing to move on and say I am going to support the sports I care about watching. Basically just basketball but occasionally tennis and baseball."

http://www.rice.ncaabbs.com/showthread.php?tid=387683

In case your lazy it was the sixth sentence of your first post


http://www.rice.ncaabbs.com/showthread.php?tid=387683

Gold,

I enjoy watching professional tennis on TV and if I was walking by the courts while I was attending class I would stop for a bit and watch a few games of a match. I have never attended a match on purpose or given money to the tennis program or said we should only have tennis and soccer and not football. If that makes me a Mullins support who deserves to rot in hell so be it.

I am not a country clubber as you put it. I want ETSU to succeed at anything it does. Go back to that same post and look at the whole thing:

Gold,

I have no interest in ending the division football supporters and the people at ETSU. Hate them all you want.

I am just so tired of anything positive the athletes do on the field or court being shot down as well in the good old days we would have.....

That's what I call whining.

You want to be in a better conference - get more supporters with more money and get it done. Other wise you are just whining.

You want football back - get more supporters with more money and get it done. Other wise you are just whining.

I am choosing to move on and say I am going to support the sports I care about watching. Basically just basketball but occasionally tennis and baseball.

I am choosing to cheer when they do well and boo when they do stupid things. But not to boo because we are playing Belmont instead of Appy St.

I am choosing to see things as they are, not as how they once were.

I am also choosing to say if football comes back and they put a decent product on the field I will root for it.

But here is the thing. I have been on this board since football was dropped and nothing has changed. Each year there are less and less people who want to bring football back. The area doesn't care - learn to deal with that or in the end you are just whining like a little kid who doesn't get the toy they want at the store.

You, Sir, are a liar.

(01-29-2013 03:38 PM)Goldfinger Wrote:  You, Sir, are a liar.

Gold please let me know what you are saying I am lying about.

(01-29-2013 03:36 PM)KingsportBucsFan31 Wrote:  I am not a country clubber as you put it. I want ETSU to succeed at anything it does. Go back to that same post and look at the whole thing

You don't wish for success. You are against football and therefor against a successful ETSU. You have touted ETSU tennis for years. You advocate for tennis in the same breath you condemned football. All the while you claim you wanted a strong basketball program. However, a strong basketball program requires football which have been very vocally against. And you say you're not a country clubber? Thou doest protest a bit too much, me thinks.

(01-29-2013 03:36 PM)KingsportBucsFan31 Wrote:  But here is the thing. I have been on this board since football was dropped and nothing has changed. Each year there are less and less people who want to bring football back. The area doesn't care - learn to deal with that or in the end you are just whining like a little kid who doesn't get the toy they want at the store.

But people in the area care SO much about tennis, track and field, softball, soccer and golf. It's evident by the masses that attend these events. If ETSU had a football game this saturday, I bet my life that the attendance would be more for 1 game than the entire seasons of tennis, track, softball, and golf combined.

(01-29-2013 03:42 PM)KingsportBucsFan31 Wrote:  

(01-29-2013 03:38 PM)Goldfinger Wrote:  You, Sir, are a liar.

Gold please let me know what you are saying I am lying about.

That wasn't the only post where you talk about going to ETSU tennis. But let's say for the sake of argument you have never been to ETSU tennis ever. This makes you're old posts about watching ETSU tennis disengenous doesn't it.

You don't like football. You, for the most part, agreed with the Mullins model. There is no doubt about this. I know who you are. And I think, perhaps, your day in the sun is over.

Hmm Gold actually that doesn't prove he has been to a tennis match, if you read that thread you linked in it he said he would support Football but not go the games so him supporting tennis but not going to the matches is consistent.

How can one watch an ETSU tennis match without attending? Rod, don't be an idiot. He has come out publically time and time again against football.

He said

Quote:I am choosing to move on and say I am going to support the sports I care about watching. Basically just basketball but occasionally tennis and baseball.

(01-29-2013 03:56 PM)RodShaw2 Wrote:  He said

Quote:I am choosing to move on and say I am going to support the sports I care about watching. Basically just basketball but occasionally tennis and baseball.

Yes he did. To which I repeat. How can one watch Tennis without attending?

Going to Tennis isn't my beef with Kingsport. I just find his attempt to deny it disingenuous. The thing one must remember about Kingsport is that he is against football. ALways has been. He has supported the Mullins model.

I like football, I don't like ETSU football. The only reason I see for having football at ETSU is if it aids our premier sport of basketball and as a marketing effort for the school.

I think you might think I am someone else. I do not work for ETSU. I do not give to the sports programs, my family has season tickets to basketball games. I am a member of the Foundation. I know and talk to a number of ETSU administration people from time to time.

I am not having a day in the sun as you put it. If football comes it won't impact me. If the school puts football back and we end up in a better conference for basketball that would be great. The other model would be to properly run your basketball program and bring it back to the national stage without football. I would favor that way but its not going to kill me.


Last thing on the disengenous tennis posts:

Here is my one post outside of the one above that have tennis in them:

Pitt,

I agree with you on this one. I think ETSU should have a goal of growing into a consistent high major in basketball and baseball and look to be a national level team in the other sports - tennis and golf. ETSU has been stuck in the same situation for awhile now and it would be nice for ETSU to grow.


Heaven forbid that we root for success in tennis. You make it sound like we should boot against tennis just because you can't go see ETSU football.

This guy has a LONG history of supporting the Mullins model and it is typical of Rod to fire at Goldfinger. Jealousy never ends.

(01-29-2013 04:01 PM)KingsportBucsFan31 Wrote:  I like football, I don't like ETSU football. The only reason I see for having football at ETSU is if it aids our premier sport of basketball and as a marketing effort for the school.

I think you might think I am someone else. I do not work for ETSU. I do not give to the sports programs, my family has season tickets to basketball games. I am a member of the Foundation. I know and talk to a number of ETSU administration people from time to time.

I am not having a day in the sun as you put it. If football comes it won't impact me. If the school puts football back and we end up in a better conference for basketball that would be great. The other model would be to properly run your basketball program and bring it back to the national stage without football. I would favor that way but its not going to kill me.


Last thing on the disengenous tennis posts:

Here is my one post outside of the one above that have tennis in them:

Pitt,

I agree with you on this one. I think ETSU should have a goal of growing into a consistent high major in basketball and baseball and look to be a national level team in the other sports - tennis and golf. ETSU has been stuck in the same situation for awhile now and it would be nice for ETSU to grow.


Heaven forbid that we root for success in tennis. You make it sound like we should boot against tennis just because you can't go see ETSU football.

When you root against a ETSU football team you root for the smallness of ETSU athletics. When you root for the success of the country club sports on top of that you root for the longevity of ETSU athletic irrelvency.

(01-29-2013 03:44 PM)Goldfinger Wrote:  

(01-29-2013 03:36 PM)KingsportBucsFan31 Wrote:  I am not a country clubber as you put it. I want ETSU to succeed at anything it does. Go back to that same post and look at the whole thing

You don't wish for success. You are against football and therefor against a successful ETSU. You have touted ETSU tennis for years. You advocate for tennis in the same breath you condemned football. All the while you claim you wanted a strong basketball program. However, a strong basketball program requires football which have been very vocally against. And you say you're not a country clubber? Thou doest protest a bit too much, me thinks.

Here is the problem with your argument. There is a model for ETSU success without football. You just refuse to believe it. That's fine but don't condem me for thinking its possible.

(01-29-2013 04:04 PM)KingsportBucsFan31 Wrote:  

(01-29-2013 03:44 PM)Goldfinger Wrote:  

(01-29-2013 03:36 PM)KingsportBucsFan31 Wrote:  I am not a country clubber as you put it. I want ETSU to succeed at anything it does. Go back to that same post and look at the whole thing

You don't wish for success. You are against football and therefor against a successful ETSU. You have touted ETSU tennis for years. You advocate for tennis in the same breath you condemned football. All the while you claim you wanted a strong basketball program. However, a strong basketball program requires football which have been very vocally against. And you say you're not a country clubber? Thou doest protest a bit too much, me thinks.

Here is the problem with your argument. There is a model for ETSU success without football. You just refuse to believe it. That's fine but don't condem me for thinking its possible.

It failed miserably. Look around you.

But hey....at least you admit your position. I'll give you that.

I want to say this one more time.

If we need to have football to avoid D2 or to advance basketball then I am for reinstating it.

The model that Stanton and Mullins tried didn't work, elevate the program without football, lets try the model where we elevate the program WITH football. ETSU would be much stronger player in the conference shuffle with football, we are behind but maybe showing people we are serious about bringing back football that might help our standing in getting to a better conference.

(01-29-2013 04:08 PM)KingsportBucsFan31 Wrote:  I want to say this one more time.

If we need to have football to avoid D2 or to advance basketball then I am for reinstating it.

You have to have football to advance basketball. I have argued this with you for years and I am right. That doesn't mean you will advance by acquiring football. But you will most certainly NOT advance without it.