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(01-27-2013 02:38 AM)OhioBobcatJohn Wrote:  WMU looks like they could run off a few more wins. They run the table and atleast make a run at the two seed should Ohio or Akron see a sweep in their series and a slip up. Would require 14 in row from WMU, but they are done with Akron and Ohio until the MAC semis and the other 9 MAC teams look very beatable home and away. WMU is clearly third in the MAC

Ohio should go at least 12-4 (6-4 down the stretch) just because the alternative is 5-5 or worse and I don't see the Bobcats doing that. Jim Christian has always won at least 12 games in the MAC so I would expect that trend to continue.

For WMU to grab that 2 seed then if Ohio is going 12-4 they will need to go 13-3 (9-1 down the stretch). Its not impossible but unlikely at this point.
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(01-27-2013 08:34 AM)Louis Kitton Wrote:  Ohio should go at least 12-4 (6-4 down the stretch) just because the alternative is 5-5 or worse and I don't see the Bobcats doing that. Jim Christian has always won at least 12 games in the MAC so I would expect that trend to continue.

For WMU to grab that 2 seed then if Ohio is going 12-4 they will need to go 13-3 (9-1 down the stretch). Its not impossible but unlikely at this point.

That 'trend' for Jim means nothing now. That was years ago at a completely different school. Him winning 12 games a year at Kent will not translate to winning 12 games a year in Ohio. It'll probably happen, but it won't be because he won 12 games at Kent.
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(01-27-2013 01:07 PM)MidnightBlueGold Wrote:  
(01-27-2013 08:34 AM)Louis Kitton Wrote:  Ohio should go at least 12-4 (6-4 down the stretch) just because the alternative is 5-5 or worse and I don't see the Bobcats doing that. Jim Christian has always won at least 12 games in the MAC so I would expect that trend to continue.

For WMU to grab that 2 seed then if Ohio is going 12-4 they will need to go 13-3 (9-1 down the stretch). Its not impossible but unlikely at this point.

That 'trend' for Jim means nothing now. That was years ago at a completely different school. Him winning 12 games a year at Kent will not translate to winning 12 games a year in Ohio. It'll probably happen, but it won't be because he won 12 games at Kent.

past performance can be an indicator of future results but there are always variables at play. your first mistake, however, was reading a post by LK, your second mistake was responding to it. I award you no points, and may god have mercy on your soul.
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(01-27-2013 03:17 PM)perimeterpost Wrote:  
(01-27-2013 01:07 PM)MidnightBlueGold Wrote:  
(01-27-2013 08:34 AM)Louis Kitton Wrote:  Ohio should go at least 12-4 (6-4 down the stretch) just because the alternative is 5-5 or worse and I don't see the Bobcats doing that. Jim Christian has always won at least 12 games in the MAC so I would expect that trend to continue.

For WMU to grab that 2 seed then if Ohio is going 12-4 they will need to go 13-3 (9-1 down the stretch). Its not impossible but unlikely at this point.

That 'trend' for Jim means nothing now. That was years ago at a completely different school. Him winning 12 games a year at Kent will not translate to winning 12 games a year in Ohio. It'll probably happen, but it won't be because he won 12 games at Kent.

past performance can be an indicator of future results but there are always variables at play. your first mistake, however, was reading a post by LK, your second mistake was responding to it. I award you no points, and may god have mercy on your soul.

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I expect Jim Christian's teams to win at least 12 games in MAC play both this and next season. I offer no guesses beyond that, although I hope the trend continues.
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I expect Tod Kowalcyk's teams to win at least 13 games in the MAC this season, and the next 4 seasons.
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Combined?
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(01-27-2013 05:00 PM)axeme Wrote:  Combined?

(03-shhhh I'm playing off of TheO's prediction 03-shhhh)
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(01-27-2013 04:39 PM)The Optimist Wrote:  I expect Jim Christian's teams to win at least 12 games in MAC play both this and next season. I offer no guesses beyond that, although I hope the trend continues.

Since OU leans heavily on their 4 Senior starters, what lineup are you expecting for next year? Some of the rotten MAC teams this year will have all or almost all their talent returning and are getting ibgtime experience this season.
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(01-27-2013 05:12 PM)DICK Wrote:  
(01-27-2013 04:39 PM)The Optimist Wrote:  I expect Jim Christian's teams to win at least 12 games in MAC play both this and next season. I offer no guesses beyond that, although I hope the trend continues.

Since OU leans heavily on their 4 Senior starters, what lineup are you expecting for next year? Some of the rotten MAC teams this year will have all or almost all their talent returning and are getting ibgtime experience this season.
One thing many people miss is Ohio's depth this season. The Bobcats have gone 10 deep pretty comfortably this season. Expecting 12 MAC wins is me living up to my screen name (optimist), but I think many Bobcat fans would agree with me that next year won't be the rebuilding year many hoops fans might expect with Cooper and Co graduating. Ohio has some talent coming back.

Ohio has 6 guys coming back averaging 10+ mpg this year. Outside Akron, I guarantee any MAC team would gladly take most of them and they may just be starting elsewhere.

Here is my guess for the starting 5...
PG-Taylor or Willis (Willis started a full season at PG at Texas Tech before transferring to Ohio. Taylor is similar in style to DJ, although a little smaller and obviously not the same talent level as DJ Cooper..)
SG-Kellogg (Has started every game since coming to Ohio
F-Johnson (Solid PT for Ohio since arriving. Our defensive specialist and go-to on that side of the ball)
F-Hall (talented all-around guy.. Averaged just under 20 mpg in the MAC and NCAA tourny last year)
C-Smith (Started for Ohio this year up until a couple games ago. Defensive specialist)
Other key guys
G-Wilkens (Getting 10+ mpg this year in his first season at OU out of a JUCO. 3pt specialist hasn't dazzled yet)
F-Green (Mizzou transfer.. Very athletic. Has gotten some time this year. Raw)
Ohio also has another transfer at F (Setty) set to become eligible next year.
4 recruits due in.. I am convinced two in particular will make impacts. NDour who is a JUCO forward who had some high-major interest and is putting up monster numbers this year along with DJ Wingfield.. A kid out of Cuncinnati who is putting up huge numbers in high school.

I'd be very shocked if this team was below .500. Whether they are better than that will depend on them closing out games and developing their own style. While most have gotten quality time, none have been given the ball with 30 seconds to go in a tie game..
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(01-27-2013 06:12 PM)The Optimist Wrote:  
(01-27-2013 05:12 PM)DICK Wrote:  
(01-27-2013 04:39 PM)The Optimist Wrote:  I expect Jim Christian's teams to win at least 12 games in MAC play both this and next season. I offer no guesses beyond that, although I hope the trend continues.

Since OU leans heavily on their 4 Senior starters, what lineup are you expecting for next year? Some of the rotten MAC teams this year will have all or almost all their talent returning and are getting ibgtime experience this season.
One thing many people miss is Ohio's depth this season. The Bobcats have gone 10 deep pretty comfortably this season. Expecting 12 MAC wins is me living up to my screen name (optimist), but I think many Bobcat fans would agree with me that next year won't be the rebuilding year many hoops fans might expect with Cooper and Co graduating. Ohio has some talent coming back.

Ohio has 6 guys coming back averaging 10+ mpg this year. Outside Akron, I guarantee any MAC team would gladly take most of them and they may just be starting elsewhere.

Here is my guess for the starting 5...
PG-Taylor or Willis (Willis started a full season at PG at Texas Tech before transferring to Ohio. Taylor is similar in style to DJ, although a little smaller and obviously not the same talent level as DJ Cooper..)
SG-Kellogg (Has started every game since coming to Ohio
F-Johnson (Solid PT for Ohio since arriving. Our defensive specialist and go-to on that side of the ball)
F-Hall (talented all-around guy.. Averaged just under 20 mpg in the MAC and NCAA tourny last year)
C-Smith (Started for Ohio this year up until a couple games ago. Defensive specialist)
Other key guys
G-Wilkens (Getting 10+ mpg this year in his first season at OU out of a JUCO. 3pt specialist hasn't dazzled yet)
F-Green (Mizzou transfer.. Very athletic. Has gotten some time this year. Raw)
Ohio also has another transfer at F (Setty) set to become eligible next year.
4 recruits due in.. I am convinced two in particular will make impacts. NDour who is a JUCO forward who had some high-major interest and is putting up monster numbers this year along with DJ Wingfield.. A kid out of Cuncinnati who is putting up huge numbers in high school.

I'd be very shocked if this team was below .500. Whether they are better than that will depend on them closing out games and developing their own style. While most have gotten quality time, none have been given the ball with 30 seconds to go in a tie game..

Actually, looking at that list, I would agree that it should be a winning MAC team. I also forgot that the MAC is likely going to 18 league games next year. Considering that, 12-6 in the league would be in reach of that group of players. To me, in looking at next year, it looks like just about anybody could emerge as the top teams. It might be a year where the best teams go 12-6 and the worst teams go 6-12.
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(01-27-2013 07:37 PM)DICK Wrote:  Actually, looking at that list, I would agree that it should be a winning MAC team. I also forgot that the MAC is likely going to 18 league games next year. Considering that, 12-6 in the league would be in reach of that group of players. To me, in looking at next year, it looks like just about anybody could emerge as the top teams. It might be a year where the best teams go 12-6 and the worst teams go 6-12.

Why would the MAC go to an 18 game season?

Did I miss that we added 2 schools for hoops? 03-lmfao

A 16 game season is: 10 divisional games + 6 crossover.

How does 18 fit?????
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Well, somewhere this fall I heard that was going to happen next year. Actually, I don't remember if that was from talking to a coach or administrator or somebody posted it or what. Sorry I can't list an authoritive source for this. I just don't remember. I would guess a reason might be to give everybody another solid home and home game. Since we no longer value divisional champions for seeding, there would seem to be no real reason to continue the 10 divisional games vs 6 crossover games.
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There has been talk at the MAC office of eliminating divisions in basketball. Don't know if it will happen or not. I hope so.
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(01-27-2013 06:12 PM)The Optimist Wrote:  Ohio has 6 guys coming back averaging 10+ mpg this year. Outside Akron, I guarantee any MAC team would gladly take most of them and they may just be starting elsewhere.

FYI...
Toledo has 7 guys averaging 10+ mpg coming back next year,
Akron has 8,
Kent St. has 6,
WMU has 6,
EMU has 7,
Miami has 9,
CMU has 7,
Ball St. has 7
NIU has 12
bgSUCKS has 5
Buffalo has 9

So 8 teams have more players coming back averaging 10+ mpg than OU; 2 teams have the same # as OU; and 1 has less than OU.
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Hawkins was asked a few months ago about our home and away games with high point this season. He said wmu needed to find an extra game this year that didn't require a return trip next year because the Mac was going to 18 games next season.

I thought this would be a perfect time to do away with the divisions considering we are one of three conferences that still uses them in basketball. Earlier today, one of our rivals publishers asked the Mac director of communications if the divisions were going away. He responded that the issue was not being discussed amongst the universities.
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.... Toledo had 7 scholarship players who averaged more than 10mpg, and Mathews, Dear, Dennis all left. Great research but those numbers change frequently in the MAC.
Buckley, Pierson, brown, and Holliday were the others. Wonnel was a walk on, not sure if he is on scholy or not. Obviously lemons and boothe didn't have minutes last season because they are freshman. This team could have had 11 players on it this season... Currently Toledo sits at 9, but one of the guys came mid season from the women's practice squad and doesn't see minutes.
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(01-27-2013 08:43 PM)MidnightBlueGold Wrote:  
(01-27-2013 06:12 PM)The Optimist Wrote:  Ohio has 6 guys coming back averaging 10+ mpg this year. Outside Akron, I guarantee any MAC team would gladly take most of them and they may just be starting elsewhere.

FYI...
Toledo has 7 guys averaging 10+ mpg coming back next year,
Akron has 8,
Kent St. has 6,
WMU has 6,
EMU has 7,
Miami has 9,
CMU has 7,
Ball St. has 7
NIU has 12
bgSUCKS has 5
Buffalo has 9

So 8 teams have more players coming back averaging 10+ mpg than OU; 2 teams have the same # as OU; and 1 has less than OU.
Good info. This is about what I would expect. I would imagine a lot of the guys on some of these other schools averaging 10+ would not be averaging that many if they were at Ohio this year (NIU, for instance), but that is pure speculation. My point was that Ohio's cupboard isn't anywhere near dried up despite the fact that we lose a very well-regarded senior class.
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(01-27-2013 10:01 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  .... Toledo had 7 scholarship players who averaged more than 10mpg, and Mathews, Dear, Dennis all left. Great research but those numbers change frequently in the MAC.
Buckley, Pierson, brown, and Holliday were the others. Wonnel was a walk on, not sure if he is on scholy or not. Obviously lemons and boothe didn't have minutes last season because they are freshman. This team could have had 11 players on it this season... Currently Toledo sits at 9, but one of the guys came mid season from the women's practice squad and doesn't see minutes.

I think we're at ten as of this week as the Spanish guy gets eligible now. On last night's pre-game they said MAC would have 18 game schedule next year and went into great detail about it.
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(01-27-2013 10:01 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote:  .... Toledo had 7 scholarship players who averaged more than 10mpg, and Mathews, Dear, Dennis all left. Great research but those numbers change frequently in the MAC.
Buckley, Pierson, brown, and Holliday were the others. Wonnel was a walk on, not sure if he is on scholy or not. Obviously lemons and boothe didn't have minutes last season because they are freshman. This team could have had 11 players on it this season... Currently Toledo sits at 9, but one of the guys came mid season from the women's practice squad and doesn't see minutes.
All those numbers are current as of today. They do take into account current freshman.

UT does currently have 8 players averaging 10+ mpg. Buckley is the only senior, so UT (tentatively) has 7 players coming back next season averaging 10+ mpg.

1-Pearson-33.2
2-Brown-34.2
3-Buckley-32.4
4-Smith-26.1
5-Boothe-24.9
6-Holliday-24.8
7-Lemons-12.3
8-Wonnell-11.3
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