(01-26-2013 07:27 PM)Gray Avenger Wrote:  

(01-26-2013 07:23 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  Some of the Big East's bowls (Pinstripe, Belk Charlotte, maybe Liberty) will be attractive to power conferences, and they'll take them.

If you think the Liberty Bowl won't stick with Memphis's conference, you are naive.

This is the same Liberty Bowl that didn't take the champion of Memphis' conference 13 months ago right?

Would really love if the Beef O Brady's bowl would sign a contract with the Mountain West or Big XII.

I'm also hoping the Bright House Networks Stadium bowl game gets created. Beautiful, on-campus scene for a bowl game.

Most 12 team conferences usually have 8 bowl eligible teams so the BE needs 8 bowl tie in's going forward if it is staying with 12 teams. They play off spot in the new system is not guaranteed and with Boise returning to the MWC conference the BE will be lucky to get access 50% of the time. The BE needs to hang on to its current line up Russell, Belk, Pinstripe, Beef O'Brady, Liberty, BBVA Compass bowls and add two more from:

Military - DC
Independence - Shreveport - Need a Louisiana Bowl with Tulane, 2 Texas teams, and possibly Tulsa if the BE can't get a bowl in Texas.
Meinekee Car Care - Houston - Need a Texas Bowl with 2 Texas teams, Tulane and possibly Tulane surrounding it.
Heart of Dallas - Dallas - Need a Texas Bowl - see comment above.
R+L Carrier - New Orleans - See independence Bowl comment above.

If the BE looses the Pinstripe Bowl to the ACC and the B-10 it definitely needs to land the Military Bowl for a close NE Bowl for easy travel for Temple, UConn, Navy, and ECU. It would then need a Texas and a Louisiana Bowl too. The eight bowl line up should include:

1 NE Bowl
1 NC Bowl
2 Florida Bowls
1 or 2 Texas Bowls
1 or 2 Louisiana Bowls
Liberty Bowl - Tennessee
BBVA Compass Bowl - Alabama

You could always pass on the lowest paying bowl if the BE makes the play off at large bowl spot

(01-27-2013 11:23 AM)garyo Wrote:  

(01-26-2013 07:27 PM)Gray Avenger Wrote:  

(01-26-2013 07:23 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  Some of the Big East's bowls (Pinstripe, Belk Charlotte, maybe Liberty) will be attractive to power conferences, and they'll take them.

If you think the Liberty Bowl won't stick with Memphis's conference, you are naive.

This is the same Liberty Bowl that didn't take the champion of Memphis' conference 13 months ago right?

Yes - by strange "coincidence", they invited a Big East school.

(01-27-2013 11:23 AM)garyo Wrote:  

(01-26-2013 07:27 PM)Gray Avenger Wrote:  

(01-26-2013 07:23 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  Some of the Big East's bowls (Pinstripe, Belk Charlotte, maybe Liberty) will be attractive to power conferences, and they'll take them.

If you think the Liberty Bowl won't stick with Memphis's conference, you are naive.

This is the same Liberty Bowl that didn't take the champion of Memphis' conference 13 months ago right?

But have taken it every other year since 1996.

(01-27-2013 12:33 AM)TigerTimmy Wrote:  

(01-26-2013 07:58 PM)PirateMarv Wrote:  

(01-26-2013 07:43 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(01-26-2013 07:27 PM)Gray Avenger Wrote:  

(01-26-2013 07:23 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  Some of the Big East's bowls (Pinstripe, Belk Charlotte, maybe Liberty) will be attractive to power conferences, and they'll take them.

If you think the Liberty Bowl won't stick with Memphis's conference, you are naive.

Maybe. But the school doesn't own the stadium, does it?

The committee is going to have a hard time choosing Memphis' conference vs another lower-FBS conference over SEC vs Big 12. And if you don't think the SEC would pull that kind of power play, then you're the one who's naive.

The question is not can you keep the Liberty Bowl if the Big 12 wants to play in it against the SEC. The question is, does the Big 12 want to?

The Liberty Bowl got the schools that they wanted, which were Memphis, UCF and ECU; so they are not going anywhere.

The CUSA champ goes to the Liberty Bowl. That will end and a Big East team will be invited. The Liberty Bowl likes SEC teams as opponents but this year Tulsa played and beat Iowa State, a Big 12 team.

Yes, the Big East is adding the Liberty Bowl.

agreed

(01-26-2013 07:43 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(01-26-2013 07:27 PM)Gray Avenger Wrote:  

(01-26-2013 07:23 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  Some of the Big East's bowls (Pinstripe, Belk Charlotte, maybe Liberty) will be attractive to power conferences, and they'll take them.

If you think the Liberty Bowl won't stick with Memphis's conference, you are naive.

Maybe. But the school doesn't own the stadium, does it?

The committee is going to have a hard time choosing Memphis' conference vs another lower-FBS conference over SEC vs Big 12. And if you don't think the SEC would pull that kind of power play, then you're the one who's naive.

The question is not can you keep the Liberty Bowl if the Big 12 wants to play in it against the SEC. The question is, does the Big 12 want to?

You don't know much about the relationship between the liberty bowl and Memphis...where we go, they will follow.

(01-26-2013 10:55 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(01-26-2013 07:27 PM)Gray Avenger Wrote:  

(01-26-2013 07:23 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  Some of the Big East's bowls (Pinstripe, Belk Charlotte, maybe Liberty) will be attractive to power conferences, and they'll take them.

If you think the Liberty Bowl won't stick with Memphis's conference, you are naive.

Remind me when Memphis actually played in that bowl. Why should they stick with us when the local football program is horrible? I'm sorry but I don't think it's a guarantee we get the LB. It's likely but not guaranteed.

As I said, you clearly don't understand the relationship between Memphis and the Liberty Bowl.

I expect the Liberty to swing to the BE. That would be a nice addition. I worry about losing the Russell and to a lesser degree the Belk.

BE should try to nab the Armed Forces Bowl. And what about the Texas Bowl - any chance?

I'd be shocked if the Liberty Bowl didn't move to the BE. It's home town team is in the BE.
The BE has 4 other teams that have played in the Liberty Bowl multiple times and have supported it well.

(01-27-2013 01:38 PM)UofMemphis Wrote:  

(01-26-2013 10:55 PM)blunderbuss Wrote:  

(01-26-2013 07:27 PM)Gray Avenger Wrote:  

(01-26-2013 07:23 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  Some of the Big East's bowls (Pinstripe, Belk Charlotte, maybe Liberty) will be attractive to power conferences, and they'll take them.

If you think the Liberty Bowl won't stick with Memphis's conference, you are naive.

Remind me when Memphis actually played in that bowl. Why should they stick with us when the local football program is horrible? I'm sorry but I don't think it's a guarantee we get the LB. It's likely but not guaranteed.

As I said, you clearly don't understand the relationship between Memphis and the Liberty Bowl.

I think the Liberty Bowl will end up entering into an agreement with the Big East. However, let's not kid ourselves. Their #1 priority is an SEC tie in.

If Mike Slive told Steve Ehrhart that the SEC will enter into a 5 year deal withe the bowl, but only if the opponent is a Big XII team...we might be screwed.

I've been to 4 straight Texas Bowls. They seem very jazzed about the B12 B10 matchup, and prices doubled after they engaged that set of tie-ins...

As nice as it is having Houston and SMU in the conference, I doubt seriously if the Big East has a shot at the Texas Bowl.

Agree we need a bowl in Texas though. Armed Forces, as some have mentioned, seems like the best fit. As much as I don't want to go to TCUs stadium though!!!

I didn't read every post in this thread so I'm sorry if my remarks have already been posted here.

Bowls, if they remain as the business entities they currently are, are interested in bringing out of towners into their city to occupy hotel rooms, restaurants and rental cars. They also want a decent tv viewership to sell their city as an interesting place to visit.

I don't think many, if any bowls are terribly concerned about an affiliation with the local university simply because a local team is not adding much to the visiting crowd that will rent those rooms, cars, etc.

One bowl I'm pretty familiar with is the Sun Bowl. The stadium is on UTEP's campus and is now owned by the UT system, of which UTEP is a part. The Sun Bowl committee, local business people and has included UTEP's AD, in not particularly interested in inviting UTEP for the reasons I've listed but they are interested in bringing in teams that will bring some fans and generate some tv interest. The locals really love their Sun Bowl and it would be full with or without UTEP. The Sun Bowl had a short contract with the BE several years ago and both Pitt and USF participated. Without even considering UTEP as a member, the BE will have some schools that would travel well enough (the Sun Bowl is probably the least dependent bowl on traveling fan bases) that the BE may be able to add it to its bowl lineup. A PAC 12 4th place team vs a rep from the BE that travels even halfway decently, (Houston, Cincy, USF, ECU, Tulsa, SMU, UCF, UConn, Navy would all send a decent number of fans vs say USC, Stanford or UCLA (not sure about Temple, Tulane or Memphis)) would be attractive and the per team payout is now $2 million. Not sure where that dollar figure falls in your bowl lineup. Something for the BE to work towards getting back now that you have 2 Texas teams.

(01-27-2013 01:44 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  I expect the Liberty to swing to the BE. That would be a nice addition. I worry about losing the Russell and to a lesser degree the Belk.

I think, by now, it's a given that we'll lose the Russell. Not even our first place team will be thought of as attractive to that bowl, let alone the runner-up in years the nBE champ does happen to go to a major bowl.

(01-28-2013 10:01 AM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  Bowls, if they remain as the business entities they currently are, are interested in bringing out of towners into their city to occupy hotel rooms, restaurants and rental cars. They also want a decent tv viewership to sell their city as an interesting place to visit.

I don't think many, if any bowls are terribly concerned about an affiliation with the local university simply because a local team is not adding much to the visiting crowd that will rent those rooms, cars, etc.

(1) The fundamental purpose of a bowl game is to benefit the city. All of the things that you mentioned are part of it. In some cities, the bowl leaders understand that another way to help the city is be supportive of the local university as far as possible. The Orange bowl is one example and for the last 20 years, the Liberty Bowl is now another. A city cannot be great without a great university.

(2) Liberty Bowl officials have repeatedly said that they intend to support UofM's conference. Failing to do so would surely invite criticism and hurt local support by UofM alumni such as myself.

(01-28-2013 01:36 PM)Gray Avenger Wrote:  

(01-28-2013 10:01 AM)MinerInWisconsin Wrote:  Bowls, if they remain as the business entities they currently are, are interested in bringing out of towners into their city to occupy hotel rooms, restaurants and rental cars. They also want a decent tv viewership to sell their city as an interesting place to visit.

I don't think many, if any bowls are terribly concerned about an affiliation with the local university simply because a local team is not adding much to the visiting crowd that will rent those rooms, cars, etc.

(1) The fundamental purpose of a bowl game of to benefit the city. All of the things that you mentioned are part of it. In some cities, the bowl leaders understand that another way to help the city is be supportive of the local university as far as possible. The Orange bowl is one example and for the last 20 years, the Liberty Bowl is now another. A city cannot be great without a great university.

(2) Liberty Bowl officials have repeatedly said that they intend to support UofM's conference. Failing to do so would surely invite criticism and hurt local support by UofM alumni such as myself.

Good points and to a degree, the Sun Bowl has relented to UTEP pressure by saying UTEP could be invited under certain circumstances but the Sun Bowl will always honor their contracts which are currently with the PAC 12 and ACC. The Sun Bowl has been on CBS for many years and its believed that there is a good amount of pressure from the network to remain contracted to what has become the biggest 5 conferences. The BE that now has Texas teams would make some sense in the game as well.

(01-27-2013 08:03 PM)Bull Wrote:  I've been to 4 straight Texas Bowls. They seem very jazzed about the B12 B10 matchup, and prices doubled after they engaged that set of tie-ins...

As nice as it is having Houston and SMU in the conference, I doubt seriously if the Big East has a shot at the Texas Bowl.

Agree we need a bowl in Texas though. Armed Forces, as some have mentioned, seems like the best fit. As much as I don't want to go to TCUs stadium though!!!

Yeah, the Texas Bowl has a ton of cash (as evidenced by their attempt to become an Access Bowl and part of the playoff system). If anything, they're likely going to move up in the pecking order with the Big 12 and either continue matching them up against the Big Ten or bring in the SEC (e.g. shift what used to be the Cotton Bowl matchup to Houston). The Texas Bowl is likely going to be in that Capital One/Outback Bowl tier just under the Contract/Access Bowls when all is said and done.

Temple brought over 20,000 to the Eagle Bank Bowl 2 years ago, on a Thursday night, temperature at zero Fahrenheit, in DC, vs UCLA. Last year at the New Mexico Bowl, I do not have numbers but was obviously less, though I have heard 3,000.

To be honest, given how things are going, the bowl line up could be as a big a deal as the tv contract as far as creating the perception of sepearation between the nBE and the other gang of 5 conferences. These bowls will be huge when it comes to recruiting against other gang of 5 schools. These recruits will care less how much more money the nBE makes on its contract. They will care about the tv contract only in terms of exposure and the they will care about the bowls they might get to play in. Thats what it will come down to with recruits who are compraing one conference school to a school in another competing G5 conference---tv exposure and bowl destinations. We want to be able to blow away the other G5 conferneces on those criteria.

Id love to get the Texas Bowl in Houston, but it may be out of our reach. Its currently a low ranked Big-12 vs a low ranked Big-10. Id love a Big-12 vs nBE for that bowl---but I agree with Frank--I think they will be moving way up the totem pole. If that happens, perhaps that might open a slot in the Alamo Bowl in San Antonio. Id be trying to get a high nBE selection in either the Houston Bowl of the Alamo Bowl if I were making decisions in the nBE office.

The Liberty Bowl is a lock, and anyone saying otherwise has no idea what they're talking about.