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RE: Marresse Speights and Josh Selby traded
i think the front office had such target fixation on getting under the cap so they could get good offers for gay that they didn't fully explore these routes. my freaking god, the trade deadline is a month away. Cleveland would do this deal then, it's not like they're going anywhere this year
01-27-2013 11:50 AM
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(01-27-2013 11:50 AM)jgardne Wrote:  i think the front office had such target fixation on getting under the cap so they could get good offers for gay that they didn't fully explore these routes. my freaking god, the trade deadline is a month away. Cleveland would do this deal then, it's not like they're going anywhere this year

Plus the new leadership are novices in actually running this stuff. I don't know if Levian has ever done trades and Hollinger definitely hasn't. I just can't see Chris Wallace making this deal with the draft pick included.
01-27-2013 03:47 PM
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RE: Marresse Speights and Josh Selby traded
Jgardne, you gotta just let it go. I don't think anyone is really happy about this deal. I know i'm still unhappy about losing speights. Considering it is a new ownership group, it was their first move. You don't know what they might have planned next. This might have been necessary for their next move. Do like me and just try to keep an open mind. Maybe just maybe they pull off something big. I'm just going to keep positive about it and see what they do next.

Far as speight goes, i've been saying he should be a starter somewhere. He did have a good game and helped the cavs get their 13th win last night. I don't watch the cavs much at all, but that tristan thompson has been putting up good numbers. Sounds like speights has his work cut out for him if he plans to start there. I thought it was interesting to read that the cavs were interested in drafting speights in 2008, but philly got him with the 16th pick.

Wayne ellington was 3 for 4 on 3's, so that makes him 45 for 104 for 43.3% on 3's this year. It will be interesting to see how both players do this year.

The cavs may not be done dealing before the trade deadline. Some rumors say speights is up for trade, but i doubt that, but the first round pick and ellington might be.

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New Cavalier F/C Marreese Speights made quite a splash in his debut on Friday night against Milwaukee. In the incredible comeback victory, the 25-year-old Florida Gator provided 10 points on 4-for-7 shooting with 6 rebounds and 2 steals in 18 minutes. He played the entirety of the fourth quarter and also had some big defensive plays.

To many, it was a huge surprise of what Speights could provide to a Cleveland squad desperate for front-court help in the wake of Anderson Varejao’s season-ending injuries. But in actuality, Speights has shown an odd propensity for succeeding when getting starter-level minutes. Let’s go to the stats.

Since 2008-09 with Memphis and Philadelphia: 305 career games
Memphis games with 23+ minutes: 28 out of 100
Philadelphia games with 23+ minutes: 33 out of 205

So you can see, he hadn’t consistently received those minutes. A bit more often, obviously, in Memphis where he picked up 54 starts in 60 games last season. But at times with both teams, he would waver in and out of the starting lineup, then struggle to receive any playing time at all for weeks on end.

Career stats per-36 minutes: 16.6 points, 9.6 rebounds and 47.4% shooting
Per-36 minutes in 61 games with 23+ minutes: 18.1 points, 10.0 rebounds and 53.8% shooting
Per-36 minutes in 244 games with 0-22 minutes: 15.8 points, 9.4 rebounds and 44.1% shooting


Rebounding rates don’t change much, but wow the shooting rates — +9.7% better when getting 23+ minutes. This peculiar trend of improved shooting percentage when playing 23+ minutes appeared both in his Memphis (+11.8% increase) and Philadelphia (+9.7% increase) days. Such an odd jump can clearly skew perceptions of his overall play.

Speights got off to a great start with the Cavaliers, but actually just barely missed this peculiar 23-minute threshold of the first 4.5 seasons of his career. But after getting his feet wet, there’s no reason why his minutes — and opportunities — won’t continue to increase, and he could follow this strangely productive career pattern.
01-27-2013 04:40 PM
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RE: Marresse Speights and Josh Selby traded
speights is a solid rotation guy and borderline starter. ellington is a bench player. we acted like cleveland did us such an enormous favor that we had to throw in a draft pick. we traded half of the productive bench on the team with the 5th best record in the league. they're all 3 on reasonable contracts.

none of these are bad contracts. and now we have nothing to trade because we gave away a pick and literally have only 10 legitimate nba players maybe
01-27-2013 05:40 PM
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Chill out and watch how it plays out. Everything is fine.
01-27-2013 05:42 PM
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(01-22-2013 03:36 PM)tiger1016 Wrote:  
(01-22-2013 02:13 PM)staciemontero Wrote:  
(01-22-2013 02:05 PM)tiger1016 Wrote:  
(01-22-2013 02:00 PM)staciemontero Wrote:  The salaray dump doesn't mean they're keeping the core for the rest of the season..supposedly they are hoping this brings better offers for Rudy.

It brings them below the luxury tax threshold so they will keep the core intact for this season. They will most likely trade Gay next season but now other teams will hopefully make better offers for him without trying to take advantage of the fact that the Grizz need to trade away one of the core players coz of luxury tax.

I know it brings them below the tax line, the point is exactly what you stated..they are hoping they get better offers for Rudy since they took care of the tax situation. You honestly think they'll say no to a deal for him before the deadline just because they got under the tax this season? No. They are hoping it brings better offers for him, whether that's now or in the off season.

They will stay pat this season IMHO and trade Gay in the offseason.

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01-30-2013 06:13 PM
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(01-30-2013 06:13 PM)staciemontero Wrote:  
(01-22-2013 03:36 PM)tiger1016 Wrote:  
(01-22-2013 02:13 PM)staciemontero Wrote:  
(01-22-2013 02:05 PM)tiger1016 Wrote:  
(01-22-2013 02:00 PM)staciemontero Wrote:  The salaray dump doesn't mean they're keeping the core for the rest of the season..supposedly they are hoping this brings better offers for Rudy.

It brings them below the luxury tax threshold so they will keep the core intact for this season. They will most likely trade Gay next season but now other teams will hopefully make better offers for him without trying to take advantage of the fact that the Grizz need to trade away one of the core players coz of luxury tax.

I know it brings them below the tax line, the point is exactly what you stated..they are hoping they get better offers for Rudy since they took care of the tax situation. You honestly think they'll say no to a deal for him before the deadline just because they got under the tax this season? No. They are hoping it brings better offers for him, whether that's now or in the off season.

They will stay pat this season IMHO and trade Gay in the offseason.

Paging tiger1016.

Ha

Good call couple weeks back on Gay being traded this season. I was a fool to believe Grizz would stay pat after the first trade.
01-30-2013 07:22 PM
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RE: Marresse Speights and Josh Selby traded
(01-30-2013 07:22 PM)tiger1016 Wrote:  
(01-30-2013 06:13 PM)staciemontero Wrote:  
(01-22-2013 03:36 PM)tiger1016 Wrote:  
(01-22-2013 02:13 PM)staciemontero Wrote:  
(01-22-2013 02:05 PM)tiger1016 Wrote:  It brings them below the luxury tax threshold so they will keep the core intact for this season. They will most likely trade Gay next season but now other teams will hopefully make better offers for him without trying to take advantage of the fact that the Grizz need to trade away one of the core players coz of luxury tax.

I know it brings them below the tax line, the point is exactly what you stated..they are hoping they get better offers for Rudy since they took care of the tax situation. You honestly think they'll say no to a deal for him before the deadline just because they got under the tax this season? No. They are hoping it brings better offers for him, whether that's now or in the off season.

They will stay pat this season IMHO and trade Gay in the offseason.

Paging tiger1016.

Ha

Good call couple weeks back on Gay being traded this season. I was a fool to believe Grizz would stay pat after the first trade.

Ha just wanted to give you a hard time

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01-30-2013 07:27 PM
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