(01-25-2013 12:46 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(01-25-2013 12:17 PM)MUAvalanche Wrote:  

(01-25-2013 12:06 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  Saint Louis over the last ten years looks more like DePaul over the ten years before the 2005 shuffle. Ruh roh.

So why jump to 12 when we are nursing 3-4 of the C-7 back to health already?

Because Fox isn't just paying us for our Final Four banners and glittering records, they're paying for hours and hours of content on Fox Sports 1 and 2 and maybe RSNs. Cutting 1/6 of the game inventory (and 4M off of the market footprint, 3 for StL and 1 for #11) maybe cuts more than 1/6 of the money--1/3? I don't know.

Besides, maybe DePaul etc can get healthy again beating on SLU twice a year.

If you think about it, we're talking about 68 hours of potential content lost that include #11 & #12 (16 other conference games x 2 hours x 2 teams, plus the 4 hours for the 2 games they play each other), but adding back 32 hours of rematches lost, for a net difference of 36 total hours of potential programming per year. At a contract level of (rounded) $42 million per year, the loss of the SLU/Dayton schedules could be as high as $7 million? Or more? For the lost hours of SLU/Dayton?

(01-25-2013 12:46 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  Because Fox isn't just paying us for our Final Four banners and glittering records, they're paying for hours and hours of content on Fox Sports 1 and 2 and maybe RSNs. Cutting 1/6 of the game inventory (and 4M off of the market footprint, 3 for StL and 1 for #11) maybe cuts more than 1/6 of the money--1/3? I don't know.

Besides, maybe DePaul etc can get healthy again beating on SLU twice a year.

I almost wish the conference could give UConn and Cincinnati a 3-4 year temporary conference affiliation. That way you protect the conference so that it won't be affected by their fickle spirits, and you give Fox its inventory in a quick enough time-frame to make an early jump.

That isn't likely and probably would be opposed by members on both sides, but I think it is preferable to being forced to add teams to reach a quota. The key is that the agreement has to be temporary and that the conference has to continue looking for replacement members.

(01-25-2013 12:46 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(01-25-2013 12:17 PM)MUAvalanche Wrote:  

(01-25-2013 12:06 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  Saint Louis over the last ten years looks more like DePaul over the ten years before the 2005 shuffle. Ruh roh.

So why jump to 12 when we are nursing 3-4 of the C-7 back to health already?

Because Fox isn't just paying us for our Final Four banners and glittering records, they're paying for hours and hours of content on Fox Sports 1 and 2 and maybe RSNs. Cutting 1/6 of the game inventory (and 4M off of the market footprint, 3 for StL and 1 for #11) maybe cuts more than 1/6 of the money--1/3? I don't know.

Besides, maybe DePaul etc can get healthy again beating on SLU twice a year.

Worth keeping in mind that FOX owns the RSN serving St.L. and owns two RSN's in Ohio (FS Ohio and ST Ohio). This may give SLU and Dayton an edge for the final two slots ahead of VCU, which is in a market with Comcast SN and MASN.

(01-25-2013 01:23 PM)orangefan Wrote:  

(01-25-2013 12:46 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(01-25-2013 12:17 PM)MUAvalanche Wrote:  

(01-25-2013 12:06 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  Saint Louis over the last ten years looks more like DePaul over the ten years before the 2005 shuffle. Ruh roh.

So why jump to 12 when we are nursing 3-4 of the C-7 back to health already?

Because Fox isn't just paying us for our Final Four banners and glittering records, they're paying for hours and hours of content on Fox Sports 1 and 2 and maybe RSNs. Cutting 1/6 of the game inventory (and 4M off of the market footprint, 3 for StL and 1 for #11) maybe cuts more than 1/6 of the money--1/3? I don't know.

Besides, maybe DePaul etc can get healthy again beating on SLU twice a year.

Worth keeping in mind that FOX owns the RSN serving St.L. and owns two RSN's in Ohio (FS Ohio and ST Ohio). This may give SLU and Dayton an edge for the final two slots ahead of VCU, which is in a market with Comcast SN and MASN.

If anything, it'd be opposite. Right now, Fox stuff doesn't air on them- contract dispute goign on. Fox would want to use VCU to force Comcast SN/MASN to air fox programming.

(01-25-2013 01:35 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(01-25-2013 01:23 PM)orangefan Wrote:  

(01-25-2013 12:46 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(01-25-2013 12:17 PM)MUAvalanche Wrote:  

(01-25-2013 12:06 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  Saint Louis over the last ten years looks more like DePaul over the ten years before the 2005 shuffle. Ruh roh.

So why jump to 12 when we are nursing 3-4 of the C-7 back to health already?

Because Fox isn't just paying us for our Final Four banners and glittering records, they're paying for hours and hours of content on Fox Sports 1 and 2 and maybe RSNs. Cutting 1/6 of the game inventory (and 4M off of the market footprint, 3 for StL and 1 for #11) maybe cuts more than 1/6 of the money--1/3? I don't know.

Besides, maybe DePaul etc can get healthy again beating on SLU twice a year.

Worth keeping in mind that FOX owns the RSN serving St.L. and owns two RSN's in Ohio (FS Ohio and ST Ohio). This may give SLU and Dayton an edge for the final two slots ahead of VCU, which is in a market with Comcast SN and MASN.

If anything, it'd be opposite. Right now, Fox stuff doesn't air on them- contract dispute goign on. Fox would want to use VCU to force Comcast SN/MASN to air fox programming.

VCU is strong in Richmond but has minimal presence in the rest of the state. They do have a radio affiliate in Tidewater but they're still very far behind ODU, Virginia and Va. Tech. They might have a bit more presence in Northern Virginia, but outside the top 5 for sure and probably the top 10 as well. If they stay ranked and make another long tournament run this year, and do it again the next couple of years, that might change, but realistically, you don't go after VCU in hopes of fortifying DC or establishing a foothold in the Norfolk area.

Andy Katz: How Butler, VCU have lifted the A-10

Quote:Clearly, there have been moves made for financial and football reasons that have helped and will help some of the top conferences. But the Butler and VCU moves, while not done for money, have improved the competitive balance, national recognition and profile of the A-10 more than any other expansion moves in recent memory.

And that's why it will be imperative for the A-10 to do whatever it can to keep them from being poached by the departing Big East Catholic seven schools. If those schools take Xavier and/or Dayton, then it will be a hit for the league. Losing Butler, though, would be devastating. The Butler brand resonates with this class of students more than any other school in the A-10 because they remember the consecutive title-game appearances. Butler will likely be courted and will probably go if the offer is too good. The schools departing the Big East will likely go only with private schools, not just religiously based, which means VCU is out. But it's still a fluid situation.

Butler and vcu both lost this week. Do we still want them?

(01-25-2013 05:07 PM)gosports1 Wrote:  Butler and vcu both lost this week. Do we still want them?

lol.... it has been a crazy week this week hasn't it? Hey, maybe we can get Duke after how badly they got crushed by Miami....

(01-25-2013 01:55 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  

(01-25-2013 01:35 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(01-25-2013 01:23 PM)orangefan Wrote:  

(01-25-2013 12:46 PM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(01-25-2013 12:17 PM)MUAvalanche Wrote:  

So why jump to 12 when we are nursing 3-4 of the C-7 back to health already?

Because Fox isn't just paying us for our Final Four banners and glittering records, they're paying for hours and hours of content on Fox Sports 1 and 2 and maybe RSNs. Cutting 1/6 of the game inventory (and 4M off of the market footprint, 3 for StL and 1 for #11) maybe cuts more than 1/6 of the money--1/3? I don't know.

Besides, maybe DePaul etc can get healthy again beating on SLU twice a year.

Worth keeping in mind that FOX owns the RSN serving St.L. and owns two RSN's in Ohio (FS Ohio and ST Ohio). This may give SLU and Dayton an edge for the final two slots ahead of VCU, which is in a market with Comcast SN and MASN.

If anything, it'd be opposite. Right now, Fox stuff doesn't air on them- contract dispute goign on. Fox would want to use VCU to force Comcast SN/MASN to air fox programming.

VCU is strong in Richmond but has minimal presence in the rest of the state. They do have a radio affiliate in Tidewater but they're still very far behind ODU, Virginia and Va. Tech. They might have a bit more presence in Northern Virginia, but outside the top 5 for sure and probably the top 10 as well. If they stay ranked and make another long tournament run this year, and do it again the next couple of years, that might change, but realistically, you don't go after VCU in hopes of fortifying DC or establishing a foothold in the Norfolk area.

MASN and CSN are both regional channels. So, getting VCU would help this out a lot getting into the Richmond area.

(01-25-2013 05:11 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(01-25-2013 05:07 PM)gosports1 Wrote:  Butler and vcu both lost this week. Do we still want them?

lol.... it has been a crazy week this week hasn't it? Hey, maybe we can get Duke after how badly they got crushed by Miami....

On top of all of that, St. John's is tied for fourth in the league.

(01-26-2013 08:32 AM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(01-25-2013 05:11 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(01-25-2013 05:07 PM)gosports1 Wrote:  Butler and vcu both lost this week. Do we still want them?

lol.... it has been a crazy week this week hasn't it? Hey, maybe we can get Duke after how badly they got crushed by Miami....

On top of all of that, St. John's is tied for fourth in the league.

my friars have been inconsistent (as usual) but seem to be improving. A win today against Marquette would be HUGE. I dont expect one, i just hope they arent blown out like i fear may happen.