(02-04-2013 11:20 AM)AMDG Wrote:  

(02-04-2013 11:17 AM)aughnanure Wrote:  

(02-04-2013 11:14 AM)AMDG Wrote:  

(02-04-2013 11:05 AM)College Basketball Fan Wrote:  

(02-04-2013 10:45 AM)AMDG Wrote:  Won't be your decision to make though, will it. Fact is, we would already be well within the top half of the 12 team pool of realistic candidates, in every area, not just basketball.

Every area? Not revenue (behind all C7), expenditures (behind all C7), historic basketball (already mentioned), attendance (7th), and just barely in terms of current basketball (6th in RPI).

Not just basketball. How many are consistently ranked as a top 100 national university? How many have an endowment close to $1 billion. How many are the sole D-1 program in a top-25 tv market? And an interesting point was brought up over on our board: Sure some of your teams have had some recent success, but...

"Since 1990, Depaul has been to the tourney 4 times, providence has been 5 times, Seton Hall has been 7 times.

Since 1990, SLU has been to the tourney 5 times.

Since 1990, Dayton has been to the tourney 5 times.

That one particular poster wants to focus on the last 30-50 years, but that is ridiculous in my mind. If we're going to do that, might as well include SLU's 1948 national championship."

You have no National Championships.

Any basketball fan should understand that in 1948, the NIT was a more prestigious tournament than the NCAA Tournament, and is a de facto national championship.
However, my point was to say that our 1948 championship has as little relevance in 2013 as anything going back past 20 years.

Yeah, no. No one counts that as a National Championship. Kentucky won the 1948 championship.

(02-04-2013 11:44 AM)aughnanure Wrote:  

(02-04-2013 11:20 AM)AMDG Wrote:  

(02-04-2013 11:17 AM)aughnanure Wrote:  

(02-04-2013 11:14 AM)AMDG Wrote:  

(02-04-2013 11:05 AM)College Basketball Fan Wrote:  Every area? Not revenue (behind all C7), expenditures (behind all C7), historic basketball (already mentioned), attendance (7th), and just barely in terms of current basketball (6th in RPI).

Not just basketball. How many are consistently ranked as a top 100 national university? How many have an endowment close to $1 billion. How many are the sole D-1 program in a top-25 tv market? And an interesting point was brought up over on our board: Sure some of your teams have had some recent success, but...

"Since 1990, Depaul has been to the tourney 4 times, providence has been 5 times, Seton Hall has been 7 times.

Since 1990, SLU has been to the tourney 5 times.

Since 1990, Dayton has been to the tourney 5 times.

That one particular poster wants to focus on the last 30-50 years, but that is ridiculous in my mind. If we're going to do that, might as well include SLU's 1948 national championship."

You have no National Championships.

Any basketball fan should understand that in 1948, the NIT was a more prestigious tournament than the NCAA Tournament, and is a de facto national championship.
However, my point was to say that our 1948 championship has as little relevance in 2013 as anything going back past 20 years.

Yeah, no. No one counts that as a National Championship. Kentucky won the 1948 championship.

You had to look that up, I'm sure. Proving my point. Its lacks as much relevance as bringing up anything before 1990.

(02-04-2013 11:47 AM)AMDG Wrote:  

(02-04-2013 11:44 AM)aughnanure Wrote:  

(02-04-2013 11:20 AM)AMDG Wrote:  

(02-04-2013 11:17 AM)aughnanure Wrote:  

(02-04-2013 11:14 AM)AMDG Wrote:  Not just basketball. How many are consistently ranked as a top 100 national university? How many have an endowment close to $1 billion. How many are the sole D-1 program in a top-25 tv market? And an interesting point was brought up over on our board: Sure some of your teams have had some recent success, but...

"Since 1990, Depaul has been to the tourney 4 times, providence has been 5 times, Seton Hall has been 7 times.

Since 1990, SLU has been to the tourney 5 times.

Since 1990, Dayton has been to the tourney 5 times.

That one particular poster wants to focus on the last 30-50 years, but that is ridiculous in my mind. If we're going to do that, might as well include SLU's 1948 national championship."

You have no National Championships.

Any basketball fan should understand that in 1948, the NIT was a more prestigious tournament than the NCAA Tournament, and is a de facto national championship.
However, my point was to say that our 1948 championship has as little relevance in 2013 as anything going back past 20 years.

Yeah, no. No one counts that as a National Championship. Kentucky won the 1948 championship.

You had to look that up, I'm sure. Proving my point. Its lacks as much relevance as bringing up anything before 1990.

Just don't claim to have something you don't.

(02-04-2013 11:34 AM)AMDG Wrote:  Forbes is a worldwide ranking. I'm referring to US News. and $852 million is close to $1 billion, which is what I said.

Actually, that Forbes list is US colleges only. I think saying that $852 million is close to a billion is a simply being deliberately misleading.

If we are looking heavily into those things, then I'll refer you to my post about Richmond. They are listed as the #28 Liberal Arts College by US News, and the #1 "Up and Coming" College. They also have an endowment of $1.868 billion, which I guess is "close" to 2 billion.

I'm sorry, but I'd say the date of relevance is probably a lot closer to 1975 or so(after UCLA's run, no one can dispute that at all). To me, Marquette, Georgetown, and Villanova's titles have a lot of relevance. I wouldn't be shocked to see an espn 30 for 30 special in 2 years on that Villanova team quite frankly. I don't see folks viewing say NC State in '83 any differently than UNLV in '90. Or whoever in 2000.

(02-04-2013 11:49 AM)aughnanure Wrote:  

(02-04-2013 11:47 AM)AMDG Wrote:  

(02-04-2013 11:44 AM)aughnanure Wrote:  

(02-04-2013 11:20 AM)AMDG Wrote:  

(02-04-2013 11:17 AM)aughnanure Wrote:  You have no National Championships.

Any basketball fan should understand that in 1948, the NIT was a more prestigious tournament than the NCAA Tournament, and is a de facto national championship.
However, my point was to say that our 1948 championship has as little relevance in 2013 as anything going back past 20 years.

Yeah, no. No one counts that as a National Championship. Kentucky won the 1948 championship.

You had to look that up, I'm sure. Proving my point. Its lacks as much relevance as bringing up anything before 1990.

Just don't claim to have something you don't.

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/sports/co...idbits.htm
"8. Many observers think the 1948 NIT, starting the tourney's second decade, was the best from a strength standpoint. If there had been a national poll at the time, it is believed that five of the nation's top seven teams were in the NIT, which was won that year by Ed Macauley-led St. Louis University."

(02-04-2013 11:50 AM)College Basketball Fan Wrote:  

(02-04-2013 11:34 AM)AMDG Wrote:  Forbes is a worldwide ranking. I'm referring to US News. and $852 million is close to $1 billion, which is what I said.

Actually, that Forbes list is US colleges only. I think saying that $852 million is close to a billion is a simply being deliberately misleading.

If we are looking heavily into those things, then I'll refer you to my post about Richmond. They are listed as the #28 Liberal Arts College by US News, and the #1 "Up and Coming" College. They also have an endowment of $1.868 billion, which I guess is "close" to 2 billion.

Use USNews, its the gold-standard of college rankings. Anyway. The only schools in the C7 or in real consideration (not Richmond or WSU) that have higher national university rankings are Georgetown (21) and Marquette (84). SLU is currently ranked 94 and has always been in the top 100. SJU, SHU, Depaul, Dayton, and VCU all fall between 131 and 170. Providence, Xavier, Butler, and Creighton all are ranked as regional universities aka get on my level.

Now let's talk TV markets:
Here's how they rank:
SJU
SHU
Depaul
Villanova
Gtown
SLU
Butler
X
Marquette
Providence
VCU
Dayton
Creighton
and remember, unlike the five schools ahead of SLU in market size, SLU is the only D-1 team in town.

This is an easy choice for the presidents.

(02-04-2013 12:03 PM)AMDG Wrote:  Use USNews, its the gold-standard of college rankings. Anyway. The only schools in the C7 or in real consideration (not Richmond or WSU) that have higher national university rankings are Georgetown (21) and Marquette (84). SLU is currently ranked 94 and has always been in the top 100. SJU, SHU, Depaul, Dayton, and VCU all fall between 131 and 170. Providence, Xavier, Butler, and Creighton all are ranked as regional universities aka get on my level.

Now let's talk TV markets:
Here's how they rank:
SJU
SHU
Depaul
Villanova
Gtown
SLU
Butler
X
Marquette
Providence
VCU
Dayton
Creighton
and remember, unlike the five schools ahead of SLU in market size, SLU is the only D-1 team in town.

This is an easy choice for the presidents.

So we should ignore basketball (and SLU is the worst basketball school under consideration or they'd be in), and focus on market/institution quality?

First, I disagree about adding universities based on that standard. Secondly, if we go by that standard Richmond becomes just as good of choice.

You are picking and choosing specific criteria that make SLU look better than they are. How about we talk about the fact that SLU is nearly non-existent in their market despite having no competition? The main reason to add that market is because it allows FoxSports 1 to add more NASCAR fans, not SLU.

(02-04-2013 12:18 PM)College Basketball Fan Wrote:  

(02-04-2013 12:03 PM)AMDG Wrote:  Use USNews, its the gold-standard of college rankings. Anyway. The only schools in the C7 or in real consideration (not Richmond or WSU) that have higher national university rankings are Georgetown (21) and Marquette (84). SLU is currently ranked 94 and has always been in the top 100. SJU, SHU, Depaul, Dayton, and VCU all fall between 131 and 170. Providence, Xavier, Butler, and Creighton all are ranked as regional universities aka get on my level.

Now let's talk TV markets:
Here's how they rank:
SJU
SHU
Depaul
Villanova
Gtown
SLU
Butler
X
Marquette
Providence
VCU
Dayton
Creighton
and remember, unlike the five schools ahead of SLU in market size, SLU is the only D-1 team in town.

This is an easy choice for the presidents.

So we should ignore basketball (and SLU is the worst basketball school under consideration or they'd be in), and focus on market/institution quality?

First, I disagree about adding universities based on that standard. Secondly, if we go by that standard Richmond becomes just as good of choice.

You are picking and choosing specific criteria that make SLU look better than they are. How about we talk about the fact that SLU is nearly non-existent in their market despite having no competition? The main reason to add that market is because it allows FoxSports 1 to add more NASCAR fans, not SLU.

SLU the worst basketball school under consideration? Hardly. As I said before, we've beaten all of the schools under consideration at home and on the road in the last 13 months (except for VCU and Creighton). Look it up. We have the best facilities. We have a major donor who was referred to as the Mark Cuban of college basketball the other night on CBSsports network, who's goal it is to win a national championship.
Non-existent in our market you say? Hardly. 6000+ season ticket holders, almost 20,000 in attendance in two games in the last week.

might not be the worst basketball school, but certainly not the best. Xavier, Butler, VCU, and Creighton are signifigantly ahead of SLU on the court. Might be ahead of Dayton though.....

(02-04-2013 12:32 PM)stever20 Wrote:  might not be the worst basketball school, but certainly not the best. Xavier, Butler, VCU, and Creighton are signifigantly ahead of SLU on the court. Might be ahead of Dayton though.....

Beat Xavier home and away last year (haven't played them yet this year), beat Butler by 17 last week, VCU will get their spanking soon. Creighton is not a relevant choice anyway because its not even a top 80 market and its 600 miles away from the closest current C7 team (plus they're a one-man show that will fall off next year anyway).

(02-04-2013 12:36 PM)AMDG Wrote:  

(02-04-2013 12:32 PM)stever20 Wrote:  might not be the worst basketball school, but certainly not the best. Xavier, Butler, VCU, and Creighton are signifigantly ahead of SLU on the court. Might be ahead of Dayton though.....

Beat Xavier home and away last year (haven't played them yet this year), beat Butler by 17 last week, VCU will get their spanking soon. Creighton is not a relevant choice anyway because its not even a top 80 market and its 600 miles away from the closest current C7 team (plus they're a one-man show that will fall off next year anyway).

um, 1 game vs a team doesn't mean you're better than they are. Butler, VCU, and Xavier have proved in the tournament they're better than SLU. Creighton while I do have questions did have stuff before McDermott(7/9 tourney appearances from 99-2007). SLU=7 tourney appearances EVER.

(02-04-2013 12:42 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(02-04-2013 12:36 PM)AMDG Wrote:  

(02-04-2013 12:32 PM)stever20 Wrote:  might not be the worst basketball school, but certainly not the best. Xavier, Butler, VCU, and Creighton are signifigantly ahead of SLU on the court. Might be ahead of Dayton though.....

Beat Xavier home and away last year (haven't played them yet this year), beat Butler by 17 last week, VCU will get their spanking soon. Creighton is not a relevant choice anyway because its not even a top 80 market and its 600 miles away from the closest current C7 team (plus they're a one-man show that will fall off next year anyway).

um, 1 game vs a team doesn't mean you're better than they are. Butler, VCU, and Xavier have proved in the tournament they're better than SLU. Creighton while I do have questions did have stuff before McDermott(7/9 tourney appearances from 99-2007). SLU=7 tourney appearances EVER.

The question is, what will the next 20 years show? I will put SLU with anybody considering our facilities and the backing of Dr. Chaifetz who will underwrite the cost of making SLU a national powerhouse. In fact, its already underway. He donated $12 million to build our state of the art facility, he and others underwrote a huge portion of Majerus' salary, and he's prepared to do it again. I like my alma mater's chances better than any current school in the C7, A-10, or MVC right now.

(02-04-2013 12:36 PM)AMDG Wrote:  

(02-04-2013 12:32 PM)stever20 Wrote:  might not be the worst basketball school, but certainly not the best. Xavier, Butler, VCU, and Creighton are signifigantly ahead of SLU on the court. Might be ahead of Dayton though.....

Beat Xavier home and away last year (haven't played them yet this year), beat Butler by 17 last week, VCU will get their spanking soon. Creighton is not a relevant choice anyway because its not even a top 80 market and its 600 miles away from the closest current C7 team (plus they're a one-man show that will fall off next year anyway).

Wow, are you serious? 1 NCAA tournament in the last 10 years and 7 in your ENTIRE history. You definitely have a big head about SLUm. The only thing you have better than Creighton is location/market. Basketball history, facilities, fan support, SLU isn't even close. As far as McDermott, we will be in the NCAA tournament 8 out of last 15 years so we've been good for awhile w/o McDermott.

(02-04-2013 12:27 PM)AMDG Wrote:  

(02-04-2013 12:18 PM)College Basketball Fan Wrote:  

(02-04-2013 12:03 PM)AMDG Wrote:  Use USNews, its the gold-standard of college rankings. Anyway. The only schools in the C7 or in real consideration (not Richmond or WSU) that have higher national university rankings are Georgetown (21) and Marquette (84). SLU is currently ranked 94 and has always been in the top 100. SJU, SHU, Depaul, Dayton, and VCU all fall between 131 and 170. Providence, Xavier, Butler, and Creighton all are ranked as regional universities aka get on my level.

Now let's talk TV markets:
Here's how they rank:
SJU
SHU
Depaul
Villanova
Gtown
SLU
Butler
X
Marquette
Providence
VCU
Dayton
Creighton
and remember, unlike the five schools ahead of SLU in market size, SLU is the only D-1 team in town.

This is an easy choice for the presidents.

So we should ignore basketball (and SLU is the worst basketball school under consideration or they'd be in), and focus on market/institution quality?

First, I disagree about adding universities based on that standard. Secondly, if we go by that standard Richmond becomes just as good of choice.

You are picking and choosing specific criteria that make SLU look better than they are. How about we talk about the fact that SLU is nearly non-existent in their market despite having no competition? The main reason to add that market is because it allows FoxSports 1 to add more NASCAR fans, not SLU.

SLU the worst basketball school under consideration? Hardly. As I said before, we've beaten all of the schools under consideration at home and on the road in the last 13 months (except for VCU and Creighton). Look it up. We have the best facilities. We have a major donor who was referred to as the Mark Cuban of college basketball the other night on CBSsports network, who's goal it is to win a national championship.
Non-existent in our market you say? Hardly. 6000+ season ticket holders, almost 20,000 in attendance in two games in the last week.

I'm glad you can get half as many season ticket holders as us. We have over 12,000 season ticket holders and got 18,111 fans at our last game in a NBA style arena (against Bradley nonetheless) and have been averaging 15K fans over the last decade.

(02-04-2013 12:49 PM)Jet915 Wrote:  

(02-04-2013 12:36 PM)AMDG Wrote:  

(02-04-2013 12:32 PM)stever20 Wrote:  might not be the worst basketball school, but certainly not the best. Xavier, Butler, VCU, and Creighton are signifigantly ahead of SLU on the court. Might be ahead of Dayton though.....

Beat Xavier home and away last year (haven't played them yet this year), beat Butler by 17 last week, VCU will get their spanking soon. Creighton is not a relevant choice anyway because its not even a top 80 market and its 600 miles away from the closest current C7 team (plus they're a one-man show that will fall off next year anyway).

Wow, are you serious? 1 NCAA tournament in the last 10 years and 7 in your ENTIRE history. You definitely have a big head about SLUm. The only thing you have better than Creighton is location/market. Basketball history, facilities, fan support, SLU isn't even close. As far as McDermott, we will be in the NCAA tournament 8 out of last 15 years so we've been good for awhile w/o McDermott.

I'm sure your streak will continue coming out of the meth valley conference, something below us here at Saint Louis University.

(02-04-2013 12:52 PM)AMDG Wrote:  

(02-04-2013 12:49 PM)Jet915 Wrote:  

(02-04-2013 12:36 PM)AMDG Wrote:  

(02-04-2013 12:32 PM)stever20 Wrote:  might not be the worst basketball school, but certainly not the best. Xavier, Butler, VCU, and Creighton are signifigantly ahead of SLU on the court. Might be ahead of Dayton though.....

Beat Xavier home and away last year (haven't played them yet this year), beat Butler by 17 last week, VCU will get their spanking soon. Creighton is not a relevant choice anyway because its not even a top 80 market and its 600 miles away from the closest current C7 team (plus they're a one-man show that will fall off next year anyway).

Wow, are you serious? 1 NCAA tournament in the last 10 years and 7 in your ENTIRE history. You definitely have a big head about SLUm. The only thing you have better than Creighton is location/market. Basketball history, facilities, fan support, SLU isn't even close. As far as McDermott, we will be in the NCAA tournament 8 out of last 15 years so we've been good for awhile w/o McDermott.

I'm sure your streak will continue coming out of the meth valley conference, something below us here at Saint Louis University.

Nice rebutal considering you can only get to the NCAA tournament once in your A-10 conference over the last decade and that was with Majerus.

(02-04-2013 12:36 PM)AMDG Wrote:  

(02-04-2013 12:32 PM)stever20 Wrote:  might not be the worst basketball school, but certainly not the best. Xavier, Butler, VCU, and Creighton are signifigantly ahead of SLU on the court. Might be ahead of Dayton though.....

Beat Xavier home and away last year (haven't played them yet this year), beat Butler by 17 last week, VCU will get their spanking soon. Creighton is not a relevant choice anyway because its not even a top 80 market and its 600 miles away from the closest current C7 team (plus they're a one-man show that will fall off next year anyway).

I apologize to everyone else since I've posted this elsewhere and I know you're just probably just trolling as it's already clear that facts don't really mean much to you...but since you've made multiple digs at Creighton, just as a refresher I thought I'd remind you that Omaha is the #75 media market (so yes it is in the top 80...facts matter) and CLEARLY Creighton is a one man show whose success is driven only by Doug McDermott as:

-CU has won 10+ home games for 17 years in a row.
-CU has won 10+ regular season conference games for 16 years in a row (and CU will make it 17 later this week)
-CU has won 20+ games in 14 of last 15 years
-CU has 15 postseason bids in a row (NCAA:8 NIT:5 CBI:1 CIT:1)..only seven other schools can claim this
-CU has won a post season game 5 years in a row
-CU has finished first or second in the conference 10 of the last 15 years

(02-04-2013 12:56 PM)cr8ngrad Wrote:  

(02-04-2013 12:36 PM)AMDG Wrote:  

(02-04-2013 12:32 PM)stever20 Wrote:  might not be the worst basketball school, but certainly not the best. Xavier, Butler, VCU, and Creighton are signifigantly ahead of SLU on the court. Might be ahead of Dayton though.....

Beat Xavier home and away last year (haven't played them yet this year), beat Butler by 17 last week, VCU will get their spanking soon. Creighton is not a relevant choice anyway because its not even a top 80 market and its 600 miles away from the closest current C7 team (plus they're a one-man show that will fall off next year anyway).

I apologize to everyone else since I've posted this elsewhere and I know you're just probably just trolling as it's already clear that facts don't really mean much to you...but since you've made multiple digs at Creighton, just as a refresher I thought I'd remind you that Omaha is the #75 media market (so yes it is in the top 80...facts matter) and CLEARLY Creighton is a one man show whose success is driven only by Doug McDermott as:

-CU has won 10+ home games for 17 years in a row.
-CU has won 10+ regular season conference games for 16 years in a row (and CU will make it 17 later this week)
-CU has won 20+ games in 14 of last 15 years
-CU has 15 postseason bids in a row (NCAA:8 NIT:5 CBI:1 CIT:1)..only seven other schools can claim this
-CU has won a post season game 5 years in a row
-CU has finished first or second in the conference 10 of the last 15 years

And you will continue to be awesome against Illinois State and Evansville. You just won't be getting an invite to the new conference.

(02-04-2013 12:58 PM)AMDG Wrote:  

(02-04-2013 12:56 PM)cr8ngrad Wrote:  

(02-04-2013 12:36 PM)AMDG Wrote:  

(02-04-2013 12:32 PM)stever20 Wrote:  might not be the worst basketball school, but certainly not the best. Xavier, Butler, VCU, and Creighton are signifigantly ahead of SLU on the court. Might be ahead of Dayton though.....

Beat Xavier home and away last year (haven't played them yet this year), beat Butler by 17 last week, VCU will get their spanking soon. Creighton is not a relevant choice anyway because its not even a top 80 market and its 600 miles away from the closest current C7 team (plus they're a one-man show that will fall off next year anyway).

I apologize to everyone else since I've posted this elsewhere and I know you're just probably just trolling as it's already clear that facts don't really mean much to you...but since you've made multiple digs at Creighton, just as a refresher I thought I'd remind you that Omaha is the #75 media market (so yes it is in the top 80...facts matter) and CLEARLY Creighton is a one man show whose success is driven only by Doug McDermott as:

-CU has won 10+ home games for 17 years in a row.
-CU has won 10+ regular season conference games for 16 years in a row (and CU will make it 17 later this week)
-CU has won 20+ games in 14 of last 15 years
-CU has 15 postseason bids in a row (NCAA:8 NIT:5 CBI:1 CIT:1)..only seven other schools can claim this
-CU has won a post season game 5 years in a row
-CU has finished first or second in the conference 10 of the last 15 years

And you will continue to be awesome against Illinois State and Evansville. You just won't be getting an invite to the new conference.

As you can see, you can't argue against Creighton vs. SLU and your only argument is against our conference.