It is pretty bad when you feel like a red-headed stepchild in conference you have yet to officially join...letting us flail in the wind. The minute the Catholic 7 decided to leave we should have got the all sports invite.

(01-17-2013 08:40 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(01-17-2013 08:33 AM)DaSaintFan Wrote:  How long are you guys going to let the Big East play with your "feelings"?

The only reason I ask is.. the Big East KNOWS that Boise's out, Louisvilles' on their way out, SDSU is out, the C7 on their way out...

but according to the CBS article:

Quote:*Still no official decision on whether to add East Carolina as an all-sports member. East Carolina is slated to join in 2014 in football only.

I mean unless there's a "Gentlemen's Agreement" between Holland and Aresco already in place, how can the ECU fans allow the BE and their own administration let themselves get toyed with?

Either come out and say "we're all in, or we're permamently football only"? I'm still trying to understand why ECU fans aren't up in arms about the current situation for their non-revenue/basketball sports.

Easy...because ECU is already IN the Big East for Football...something Marshall, UAB, Southern Miss, etc....would have taken in a heart beat.

Plus, odds are, ECU will end up being an all-sports member of the Big East soon.

The key word in that sentence is "would"....

I think 3-4 months ago when Notre Dame was still there and the basketball schools were still committed, the Big East still had a little value. With all them now gone (16 total teams in 1 year) with the exception of Cincy and UConn, what is the real attraction? Obviously the power has shifted to the west with Boise now gone. I just dont see the attraction.

Why pay big exit fees for a lateral move to play the same teams you have been playing for the last 8-10 years in CUSA? When you stop and really think about it....does it really make sense?

I guess you can argue that Cincy and UConn are still around but we all know that wont last for long. Oh I forgot about Temple.....I guess you can make the argument that you always wanted to play Temple....

MU, I'm trying to avoid the "you would have taken the invite" argument out of the picture, as I'm not trying to turn this inot a realignment conference-pissing contest. I'm just honestly wondering why ECU fans are not pissed that the Big East NEEDS teams to fill those holes, and they're (per the original article) still not being considered.

(01-17-2013 10:05 AM)DaSaintFan Wrote:  MU, I'm trying to avoid the "you would have taken the invite" argument out of the picture, as I'm not trying to turn this inot a realignment conference-pissing contest. I'm just honestly wondering why ECU fans are not pissed that the Big East NEEDS teams to fill those holes, and they're (per the original article) still not being considered.

I think ECU will be an all sports member "unless".....the Big East has ideas of bring in some "basketball only" schools which is very possible.

Now that I'm thinking about it, maybe they want to keep ECU as "football only" to offset the future addition of Navy and simply add some good basketball only schools to try and strengthen the basketball side.

(01-17-2013 10:03 AM)MUHERD76 Wrote:  

(01-17-2013 08:40 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(01-17-2013 08:33 AM)DaSaintFan Wrote:  How long are you guys going to let the Big East play with your "feelings"?

The only reason I ask is.. the Big East KNOWS that Boise's out, Louisvilles' on their way out, SDSU is out, the C7 on their way out...

but according to the CBS article:

Quote:*Still no official decision on whether to add East Carolina as an all-sports member. East Carolina is slated to join in 2014 in football only.

I mean unless there's a "Gentlemen's Agreement" between Holland and Aresco already in place, how can the ECU fans allow the BE and their own administration let themselves get toyed with?

Either come out and say "we're all in, or we're permamently football only"? I'm still trying to understand why ECU fans aren't up in arms about the current situation for their non-revenue/basketball sports.

Easy...because ECU is already IN the Big East for Football...something Marshall, UAB, Southern Miss, etc....would have taken in a heart beat.

Plus, odds are, ECU will end up being an all-sports member of the Big East soon.

The key word in that sentence is "would"....

I think 3-4 months ago when Notre Dame was still there and the basketball schools were still committed, the Big East still had a little value. With all them now gone (16 total teams in 1 year) with the exception of Cincy and UConn, what is the real attraction? Obviously the power has shifted to the west with Boise now gone. I just dont see the attraction.

Why pay big exit fees for a lateral move to play the same teams you have been playing for the last 8-10 years in CUSA? When you stop and really think about it....does it really make sense?

I guess you can argue that Cincy and UConn are still around but we all know that wont last for long. Oh I forgot about Temple.....I guess you can make the argument that you always wanted to play Temple....

I really don't know what the Big East gains by delaying our all-sports invite.

And it is worth the move. It is not a lateral move. The incoming C-USA teams are not as attractive to us as moving on with UCF, USF, Memphis, etc. Not even close. I wish Marshall and USM could join us. We have been tied at the hip for so long. Staying would be a step back.

And as for adding good bball schools...ECU is currently 11-5 after beating future BE mates UCF and Houston. I'd say our program is on par with them.

I'd like to see UTEP follow SMU, Houston and Tulane into the Big East.

(01-17-2013 10:11 AM)JKMPirate78 Wrote:  

(01-17-2013 10:03 AM)MUHERD76 Wrote:  

(01-17-2013 08:40 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(01-17-2013 08:33 AM)DaSaintFan Wrote:  How long are you guys going to let the Big East play with your "feelings"?

The only reason I ask is.. the Big East KNOWS that Boise's out, Louisvilles' on their way out, SDSU is out, the C7 on their way out...

but according to the CBS article:

Quote:*Still no official decision on whether to add East Carolina as an all-sports member. East Carolina is slated to join in 2014 in football only.

I mean unless there's a "Gentlemen's Agreement" between Holland and Aresco already in place, how can the ECU fans allow the BE and their own administration let themselves get toyed with?

Either come out and say "we're all in, or we're permamently football only"? I'm still trying to understand why ECU fans aren't up in arms about the current situation for their non-revenue/basketball sports.

Easy...because ECU is already IN the Big East for Football...something Marshall, UAB, Southern Miss, etc....would have taken in a heart beat.

Plus, odds are, ECU will end up being an all-sports member of the Big East soon.

The key word in that sentence is "would"....

I think 3-4 months ago when Notre Dame was still there and the basketball schools were still committed, the Big East still had a little value. With all them now gone (16 total teams in 1 year) with the exception of Cincy and UConn, what is the real attraction? Obviously the power has shifted to the west with Boise now gone. I just dont see the attraction.

Why pay big exit fees for a lateral move to play the same teams you have been playing for the last 8-10 years in CUSA? When you stop and really think about it....does it really make sense?

I guess you can argue that Cincy and UConn are still around but we all know that wont last for long. Oh I forgot about Temple.....I guess you can make the argument that you always wanted to play Temple....

I really don't know what the Big East gains by delaying our all-sports invite.

And it is worth the move. It is not a lateral move. The incoming C-USA teams are not as attractive to us as moving on with UCF, USF, Memphis, etc. Not even close. I wish Marshall and USM could join us. We have been tied at the hip for so long. Staying would be a step back.

And as for adding good bball schools...ECU is currently 11-5.

"not even close" is just wrong....'not yet' is the better way to look at it

I could say I wish you guys wouldn't have left, but today I will not do that...and I promise if offered today we don't...but to be fair we would have earlier....we got lucky on this one....is kinda weird

(01-17-2013 10:09 AM)MUHERD76 Wrote:  I think ECU will be an all sports member "unless".....the Big East has ideas of bring in some "basketball only" schools which is very possible.

Now that I'm thinking about it, maybe they want to keep ECU as "football only" to offset the future addition of Navy and simply add some good basketball only schools to try and strengthen the basketball side.

If that's the case, I woukd probably be even more pissed... (and something I didn't even think about a possible situation... as I figured they'd have learned the fiasco of being a hybrid conference). That's definitely a "we'll take your football, but the rest of your sports can go take a flying leap"?

(01-17-2013 10:18 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(01-17-2013 10:11 AM)JKMPirate78 Wrote:  

(01-17-2013 10:03 AM)MUHERD76 Wrote:  

(01-17-2013 08:40 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(01-17-2013 08:33 AM)DaSaintFan Wrote:  How long are you guys going to let the Big East play with your "feelings"?

The only reason I ask is.. the Big East KNOWS that Boise's out, Louisvilles' on their way out, SDSU is out, the C7 on their way out...

but according to the CBS article:


I mean unless there's a "Gentlemen's Agreement" between Holland and Aresco already in place, how can the ECU fans allow the BE and their own administration let themselves get toyed with?

Either come out and say "we're all in, or we're permamently football only"? I'm still trying to understand why ECU fans aren't up in arms about the current situation for their non-revenue/basketball sports.

Easy...because ECU is already IN the Big East for Football...something Marshall, UAB, Southern Miss, etc....would have taken in a heart beat.

Plus, odds are, ECU will end up being an all-sports member of the Big East soon.

The key word in that sentence is "would"....

I think 3-4 months ago when Notre Dame was still there and the basketball schools were still committed, the Big East still had a little value. With all them now gone (16 total teams in 1 year) with the exception of Cincy and UConn, what is the real attraction? Obviously the power has shifted to the west with Boise now gone. I just dont see the attraction.

Why pay big exit fees for a lateral move to play the same teams you have been playing for the last 8-10 years in CUSA? When you stop and really think about it....does it really make sense?

I guess you can argue that Cincy and UConn are still around but we all know that wont last for long. Oh I forgot about Temple.....I guess you can make the argument that you always wanted to play Temple....

I really don't know what the Big East gains by delaying our all-sports invite.

And it is worth the move. It is not a lateral move. The incoming C-USA teams are not as attractive to us as moving on with UCF, USF, Memphis, etc. Not even close. I wish Marshall and USM could join us. We have been tied at the hip for so long. Staying would be a step back.

And as for adding good bball schools...ECU is currently 11-5.

"not even close" is just wrong....'not yet' is the better way to look at it

I could say I wish you guys wouldn't have left, but today I will not do that...and I promise if offered today we don't...but to be fair we would have earlier....we got lucky on this one....is kinda weird

"Not even close" is probably is going overboard. But perception wise to our fanbase it would be a step back. And that doesn't include USM and Marshall...who if circumstances were different...would be going with us to the BE.

I find a positive thing, that there have been zero articles (outside of the first week post-BE invite) about our future non-FB conference. If we aren't calling conferences to park our teams, then we must have some assurances.

New CUSA to NBE is not close at all. The NBe certainly isn't the old one, but the New CUSA is essentially the sunbelt with 4-5 CUSA teams sprinkled in. As much as some of the leftovers hate it, the new CUSA will be a level or two under the NBE and MWC. Just like the sunbelt was before all of this movement.

I hope some doors open up for the original CUSA members and they can either move to the MWC or the NBE, but a few will probably be left out and it will be no fault of there own (geographic area, TV Market, etc.) The butt hurt against ECU is unjustified, we HAD to take the football only when it was offered. The alternative was a slow death sentence in the new Sunbelt (CUSA). Just like any of the other original CUSA members would have with the exception of Tulsa who held out for an all sports membership, and are probably getting ready to get it.

(01-17-2013 10:28 AM)mwp1023 Wrote:  New CUSA to NBE is not close at all. The NBe certainly isn't the old one, but the New CUSA is essentially the sunbelt with 4-5 CUSA teams sprinkled in. As much as some of the leftovers hate it, the new CUSA will be a level or two under the NBE and MWC. Just like the sunbelt was before all of this movement.

I hope some doors open up for the original CUSA members and they can either move to the MWC or the NBE, but a few will probably be left out and it will be no fault of there own (geographic area, TV Market, etc.) The butt hurt against ECU is unjustified, we HAD to take the football only when it was offered. The alternative was a slow death sentence in the new Sunbelt (CUSA). Just like any of the other original CUSA members would have with the exception of Tulsa who held out for an all sports membership, and are probably getting ready to get it.

It is a step below no question. For obvious reasons.

Would Memphis want to be in the same conf. as MTSU? No.
Would Tulane want to be in the same conf. as La Tech? No.
Would UCF/USF want to be in same conf. as FAU/FIU? No.
Would SMU/UH want to be in the same conf. as North Texas & UTSA? No.
Would ECU want to be in the same conf. with Charlotte? No.

Pretty cut and dry.

(01-17-2013 10:20 AM)JKMPirate78 Wrote:  

(01-17-2013 10:18 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  [quote='JKMPirate78' pid='8847687' dateline='1358435482']
[quote='MUHERD76' pid='8847643' dateline='1358435024']
[quote='KnightLight' pid='8847296' dateline='1358430033']



"not even close" is just wrong....'not yet' is the better way to look at it

I could say I wish you guys wouldn't have left, but today I will not do that...and I promise if offered today we don't...but to be fair we would have earlier....we got lucky on this one....is kinda weird

"Not even close" is probably is going overboard. But perception wise to our fanbase it would be a step back. And that doesn't include USM and Marshall...who if circumstances were different...would be going with us to the BE.

....think they mean the same thing....have never denied that and have always wished you guys prosperity....ECU deserves better

(01-17-2013 10:47 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(01-17-2013 10:20 AM)JKMPirate78 Wrote:  

(01-17-2013 10:18 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  [quote='JKMPirate78' pid='8847687' dateline='1358435482']
[quote='MUHERD76' pid='8847643' dateline='1358435024']
[quote='KnightLight' pid='8847296' dateline='1358430033']



"not even close" is just wrong....'not yet' is the better way to look at it

I could say I wish you guys wouldn't have left, but today I will not do that...and I promise if offered today we don't...but to be fair we would have earlier....we got lucky on this one....is kinda weird

"Not even close" is probably is going overboard. But perception wise to our fanbase it would be a step back. And that doesn't include USM and Marshall...who if circumstances were different...would be going with us to the BE.

....think they mean the same thing....have never denied that and have always wished you guys prosperity....ECU deserves better

So does USM.

(01-17-2013 10:37 AM)JKMPirate78 Wrote:  

(01-17-2013 10:28 AM)mwp1023 Wrote:  New CUSA to NBE is not close at all. The NBe certainly isn't the old one, but the New CUSA is essentially the sunbelt with 4-5 CUSA teams sprinkled in. As much as some of the leftovers hate it, the new CUSA will be a level or two under the NBE and MWC. Just like the sunbelt was before all of this movement.

I hope some doors open up for the original CUSA members and they can either move to the MWC or the NBE, but a few will probably be left out and it will be no fault of there own (geographic area, TV Market, etc.) The butt hurt against ECU is unjustified, we HAD to take the football only when it was offered. The alternative was a slow death sentence in the new Sunbelt (CUSA). Just like any of the other original CUSA members would have with the exception of Tulsa who held out for an all sports membership, and are probably getting ready to get it.

It is a step below no question. For obvious reasons.

Would Memphis want to be in the same conf. as MTSU? No.
Would Tulane want to be in the same conf. as La Tech? No.
Would UCF/USF want to be in same conf. as FAU/FIU? No.
Would SMU/UH want to be in the same conf. as North Texas & UTSA? No.
Would ECU want to be in the same conf. with Charlotte? No.

Pretty cut and dry.

...in the end we will ALL be in the same boat...is just the way capitalism works

There is public info and private info. ECU officials and Big East officials know that ECU will be a full member by the time we arrive in 2014. I do not think many people really question that. There are other shoes to drop before that info can most likely be shared. But there is a reason we have no other conference plans announced for our "other" sports.

As far as they anxiety......There are a few message board fans that might be anxious but keep in mind that message board posters probably make up 1% or less of the overall fanbase. Most of the ECU fanbase is largely content with where we are and it shows in our attendance.

(01-17-2013 10:11 AM)JKMPirate78 Wrote:  

(01-17-2013 10:03 AM)MUHERD76 Wrote:  

(01-17-2013 08:40 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(01-17-2013 08:33 AM)DaSaintFan Wrote:  How long are you guys going to let the Big East play with your "feelings"?

The only reason I ask is.. the Big East KNOWS that Boise's out, Louisvilles' on their way out, SDSU is out, the C7 on their way out...

but according to the CBS article:

Quote:*Still no official decision on whether to add East Carolina as an all-sports member. East Carolina is slated to join in 2014 in football only.

I mean unless there's a "Gentlemen's Agreement" between Holland and Aresco already in place, how can the ECU fans allow the BE and their own administration let themselves get toyed with?

Either come out and say "we're all in, or we're permamently football only"? I'm still trying to understand why ECU fans aren't up in arms about the current situation for their non-revenue/basketball sports.

Easy...because ECU is already IN the Big East for Football...something Marshall, UAB, Southern Miss, etc....would have taken in a heart beat.

Plus, odds are, ECU will end up being an all-sports member of the Big East soon.

The key word in that sentence is "would"....

I think 3-4 months ago when Notre Dame was still there and the basketball schools were still committed, the Big East still had a little value. With all them now gone (16 total teams in 1 year) with the exception of Cincy and UConn, what is the real attraction? Obviously the power has shifted to the west with Boise now gone. I just dont see the attraction.

Why pay big exit fees for a lateral move to play the same teams you have been playing for the last 8-10 years in CUSA? When you stop and really think about it....does it really make sense?

I guess you can argue that Cincy and UConn are still around but we all know that wont last for long. Oh I forgot about Temple.....I guess you can make the argument that you always wanted to play Temple....

I really don't know what the Big East gains by delaying our all-sports invite.

And it is worth the move. It is not a lateral move. The incoming C-USA teams are not as attractive to us as moving on with UCF, USF, Memphis, etc. Not even close. I wish Marshall and USM could join us. We have been tied at the hip for so long. Staying would be a step back.

And as for adding good bball schools...ECU is currently 11-5 after beating future BE mates UCF and Houston. I'd say our program is on par with them.

My guess is that they are weighing the option of adding some "basketball only" school to bolster the basketball product. With Navy and ECU being football only that would allow them to bring in two "basketball only" schools that they covet. Not sure who would jump at the opportunity but I could see that as a possibility.

(01-17-2013 10:28 AM)mwp1023 Wrote:  New CUSA to NBE is not close at all. The NBe certainly isn't the old one, but the New CUSA is essentially the sunbelt with 4-5 CUSA teams sprinkled in. As much as some of the leftovers hate it, the new CUSA will be a level or two under the NBE and MWC. Just like the sunbelt was before all of this movement.

I hope some doors open up for the original CUSA members and they can either move to the MWC or the NBE, but a few will probably be left out and it will be no fault of there own (geographic area, TV Market, etc.) The butt hurt against ECU is unjustified, we HAD to take the football only when it was offered. The alternative was a slow death sentence in the new Sunbelt (CUSA). Just like any of the other original CUSA members would have with the exception of Tulsa who held out for an all sports membership, and are probably getting ready to get it.

careful on the sunbelt statement. That conf has been catching conf usa for a while now and this year was a better conf. Just sayin

(01-17-2013 08:40 AM)KnightLight Wrote:  

(01-17-2013 08:33 AM)DaSaintFan Wrote:  How long are you guys going to let the Big East play with your "feelings"?

The only reason I ask is.. the Big East KNOWS that Boise's out, Louisvilles' on their way out, SDSU is out, the C7 on their way out...

but according to the CBS article:

Quote:*Still no official decision on whether to add East Carolina as an all-sports member. East Carolina is slated to join in 2014 in football only.

I mean unless there's a "Gentlemen's Agreement" between Holland and Aresco already in place, how can the ECU fans allow the BE and their own administration let themselves get toyed with?

Either come out and say "we're all in, or we're permamently football only"? I'm still trying to understand why ECU fans aren't up in arms about the current situation for their non-revenue/basketball sports.

Easy...because ECU is already IN the Big East for Football...something Marshall, UAB, Southern Miss, etc....would have taken in a heart beat.

Plus, odds are, ECU will end up being an all-sports member of the Big East soon.

You know the statement that USM would have taken an invitation in a heart beat is a little outdated now. It is like saying after the Titanic sank that anyone would have treasured getting on that trip, which before it sank most indeed would have, but April 16 1912 I assure people were glad they didn't get on. It is true that most USM fans would have been glad to get the invitation until things started to happen that makes it less attractive, and maybe that conference will be a good move, but until there are more stable factors and guarantees I would rather USM avoid joining it.

(01-17-2013 11:30 AM)goherd17 Wrote:  

(01-17-2013 10:28 AM)mwp1023 Wrote:  New CUSA to NBE is not close at all. The NBe certainly isn't the old one, but the New CUSA is essentially the sunbelt with 4-5 CUSA teams sprinkled in. As much as some of the leftovers hate it, the new CUSA will be a level or two under the NBE and MWC. Just like the sunbelt was before all of this movement.

I hope some doors open up for the original CUSA members and they can either move to the MWC or the NBE, but a few will probably be left out and it will be no fault of there own (geographic area, TV Market, etc.) The butt hurt against ECU is unjustified, we HAD to take the football only when it was offered. The alternative was a slow death sentence in the new Sunbelt (CUSA). Just like any of the other original CUSA members would have with the exception of Tulsa who held out for an all sports membership, and are probably getting ready to get it.

careful on the sunbelt statement. That conf has been catching conf usa for a while now and this year was a better conf. Just sayin

And if any does real well for a bit, then CUSA will take them. That's how the world works.