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[split] "Last Stand for Big East"
(01-15-2013 07:57 PM)BullsBEAST Wrote:  
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(01-15-2013 07:18 PM)BullsBEAST Wrote:  I personally think USM would be an atrocious add. I prefer wait on one of the schools with upside. The 3rd best university in the poorest state in the US is a pretty unattractive option for me. No need to add anyone now, i'd prefer wait and see how UTSA, UMass, Charlotte, Georgia St. ODU etc develop, or see if some of the western schools who arent interested now come around. No point in adding any of the remaining options.

Hate to do this BEAST, but USM > USF...

Based on what? Youve gone completely off the deep end lately. Its not our fault your school wasnt good enough for the ACC.

You asked, so you shall receive:

Southern Mississippi has a tradition of winning, they had 18 straight winning seasons and over the last decade they've averaged 7.2 wins a year with two 9-win seasons and one 11-win season. Over the past few years, their basketball has become much more solid and has probably overtaken USF. I think it is simply laughable for a school like USF (the poster boy for potential), to look down upon an addition of a program like Southern Miss that has achieved so much and has been a successful athletic program.
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RE: "Last Stand for Big East"
(01-16-2013 07:31 PM)Bearcat_Bounce Wrote:  
(01-15-2013 07:57 PM)BullsBEAST Wrote:  
(01-15-2013 07:26 PM)Bearcat_Bounce Wrote:  
(01-15-2013 07:18 PM)BullsBEAST Wrote:  I personally think USM would be an atrocious add. I prefer wait on one of the schools with upside. The 3rd best university in the poorest state in the US is a pretty unattractive option for me. No need to add anyone now, i'd prefer wait and see how UTSA, UMass, Charlotte, Georgia St. ODU etc develop, or see if some of the western schools who arent interested now come around. No point in adding any of the remaining options.

Hate to do this BEAST, but USM > USF...

Based on what? Youve gone completely off the deep end lately. Its not our fault your school wasnt good enough for the ACC.

You asked, so you shall receive:

Southern Mississippi has a tradition of winning, they had 18 straight winning seasons and over the last decade they've averaged 7.2 wins a year with two 9-win seasons and one 11-win season. Over the past few years, their basketball has become much more solid and has probably overtaken USF. I think it is simply laughable for a school like USF (the poster boy for potential), to look down upon an addition of a program like Southern Miss that has achieved so much and has been a successful athletic program.

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RE: "Last Stand for Big East"
(01-16-2013 07:31 PM)Bearcat_Bounce Wrote:  
(01-15-2013 07:57 PM)BullsBEAST Wrote:  
(01-15-2013 07:26 PM)Bearcat_Bounce Wrote:  
(01-15-2013 07:18 PM)BullsBEAST Wrote:  I personally think USM would be an atrocious add. I prefer wait on one of the schools with upside. The 3rd best university in the poorest state in the US is a pretty unattractive option for me. No need to add anyone now, i'd prefer wait and see how UTSA, UMass, Charlotte, Georgia St. ODU etc develop, or see if some of the western schools who arent interested now come around. No point in adding any of the remaining options.

Hate to do this BEAST, but USM > USF...

Based on what? Youve gone completely off the deep end lately. Its not our fault your school wasnt good enough for the ACC.

You asked, so you shall receive:

Southern Mississippi has a tradition of winning, they had 18 straight winning seasons and over the last decade they've averaged 7.2 wins a year with two 9-win seasons and one 11-win season. Over the past few years, their basketball has become much more solid and has probably overtaken USF. I think it is simply laughable for a school like USF (the poster boy for potential), to look down upon an addition of a program like Southern Miss that has achieved so much and has been a successful athletic program.

I have to agree. IMO.. USM is TWICE the overall program of USF. They obviously do not bring the market issue to the table...but..competitively...they are miles above USF as far as their total program. I honestly would be scared of what the impact of the added cash that being in the BE would do for USM. They get more mileage out of a small budget than anyone. Disregard them at your peril.03-idea

I have no problem what so ever being in associated with USM. I have the utmost respect for them.04-cheers
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RE: "Last Stand for Big East"
(01-16-2013 07:31 PM)Bearcat_Bounce Wrote:  
(01-15-2013 07:57 PM)BullsBEAST Wrote:  
(01-15-2013 07:26 PM)Bearcat_Bounce Wrote:  
(01-15-2013 07:18 PM)BullsBEAST Wrote:  I personally think USM would be an atrocious add. I prefer wait on one of the schools with upside. The 3rd best university in the poorest state in the US is a pretty unattractive option for me. No need to add anyone now, i'd prefer wait and see how UTSA, UMass, Charlotte, Georgia St. ODU etc develop, or see if some of the western schools who arent interested now come around. No point in adding any of the remaining options.

Hate to do this BEAST, but USM > USF...

Based on what? Youve gone completely off the deep end lately. Its not our fault your school wasnt good enough for the ACC.

You asked, so you shall receive:

Southern Mississippi has a tradition of winning, they had 18 straight winning seasons and over the last decade they've averaged 7.2 wins a year with two 9-win seasons and one 11-win season. Over the past few years, their basketball has become much more solid and has probably overtaken USF. I think it is simply laughable for a school like USF (the poster boy for potential), to look down upon an addition of a program like Southern Miss that has achieved so much and has been a successful athletic program.

All time win %:
USM - .594
USF - .624

Bowl record:
USM - 10-12
USF - 4-2

As you say, over the last decade USM has averaged 7.2 wins (not sure if you're counting their 0-12 this year), USF has averaged 6.7 facing much harder competition. Not sure if you threw out USMs 0-12 to get that 7.2 though, if you did its only fair to throw out USFs 3-9 last year and put us at 7.3. This year was our first time losing to a non bcs team since 2004.

Their market has 150k in it, compared to 2.7 million in the tampa area.

Their stadium seats 30k less than ours and their attendance even in 2011 when they had a very good team was in the high 20s. I know high 20s in attendance will impress a cincy fan, whos school struggles to fill their 30k seat stadium even in good years. Compare that to USF which is mid 40s in a bad year and low 50s in a good year.

Both USF & USM had similar ncaat droughts, both returned last year, we won 2 games, they lost in the first round.

The Sun Dome with its new renovations is light years ahead of their basketball arena. All of our facilities are brand new and far superior to theirs.

Our revenue and athletic funding dwarfs theirs. To my knowledge they are nearly completely broke at this point.

USM did well to win so many games in CUSA for the past 10 years or so, but outside of that and the fact that theyve been around forever i cant think of one legit thing that would put them ahead of us.

Not to mention, there have been 11 teams that have been invited and accepted to the BE between USF & USM, and likely many more that were invited and declined, with USM not even on deck, being overlooked next by Tulsa and UMass as the next 2 in. This means even your school doesnt share your opinion.
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RE: "Last Stand for Big East"
(01-16-2013 07:31 PM)Bearcat_Bounce Wrote:  
(01-15-2013 07:57 PM)BullsBEAST Wrote:  
(01-15-2013 07:26 PM)Bearcat_Bounce Wrote:  
(01-15-2013 07:18 PM)BullsBEAST Wrote:  I personally think USM would be an atrocious add. I prefer wait on one of the schools with upside. The 3rd best university in the poorest state in the US is a pretty unattractive option for me. No need to add anyone now, i'd prefer wait and see how UTSA, UMass, Charlotte, Georgia St. ODU etc develop, or see if some of the western schools who arent interested now come around. No point in adding any of the remaining options.

Hate to do this BEAST, but USM > USF...

Based on what? Youve gone completely off the deep end lately. Its not our fault your school wasnt good enough for the ACC.

You asked, so you shall receive:

Southern Mississippi has a tradition of winning, they had 18 straight winning seasons and over the last decade they've averaged 7.2 wins a year with two 9-win seasons and one 11-win season. Over the past few years, their basketball has become much more solid and has probably overtaken USF. I think it is simply laughable for a school like USF (the poster boy for potential), to look down upon an addition of a program like Southern Miss that has achieved so much and has been a successful athletic program.

Yes, to me USM is a no-brainer, really obvious choice. I thought ECU was for years too, LOL. 04-cheers
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RE: "Last Stand for Big East"
(01-16-2013 08:13 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  
(01-16-2013 08:10 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  
(01-16-2013 07:31 PM)Bearcat_Bounce Wrote:  
(01-15-2013 07:57 PM)BullsBEAST Wrote:  
(01-15-2013 07:26 PM)Bearcat_Bounce Wrote:  Hate to do this BEAST, but USM > USF...

Based on what? Youve gone completely off the deep end lately. Its not our fault your school wasnt good enough for the ACC.

You asked, so you shall receive:

Southern Mississippi has a tradition of winning, they had 18 straight winning seasons and over the last decade they've averaged 7.2 wins a year with two 9-win seasons and one 11-win season. Over the past few years, their basketball has become much more solid and has probably overtaken USF. I think it is simply laughable for a school like USF (the poster boy for potential), to look down upon an addition of a program like Southern Miss that has achieved so much and has been a successful athletic program.

I have to agree. IMO.. USM is TWICE the overall program of USF. They obviously do not bring the market issue to the table...but..competitively...they are miles above USF as far as their total program. I honestly would be scared of what the impact of the added cash that being in the BE would do for USM. They get more mileage out of a small budget than anyone. Disregard them at your peril.03-idea

I have no problem what so ever being in associated with USM. I have the utmost respect for them.04-cheers

I'm not going to let this thread get into a pissing match of USF and USM. The facts are that USF is in the Big East and USM is not. Until then any threads or posts from this point on that continues to try to compare the two will be moved to the Smack board.
I hope I have made this perfectly clear.

No problem.
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RE: "Last Stand for Big East"
(01-16-2013 08:16 PM)BullsBEAST Wrote:  
(01-16-2013 07:31 PM)Bearcat_Bounce Wrote:  
(01-15-2013 07:57 PM)BullsBEAST Wrote:  
(01-15-2013 07:26 PM)Bearcat_Bounce Wrote:  
(01-15-2013 07:18 PM)BullsBEAST Wrote:  I personally think USM would be an atrocious add. I prefer wait on one of the schools with upside. The 3rd best university in the poorest state in the US is a pretty unattractive option for me. No need to add anyone now, i'd prefer wait and see how UTSA, UMass, Charlotte, Georgia St. ODU etc develop, or see if some of the western schools who arent interested now come around. No point in adding any of the remaining options.

Hate to do this BEAST, but USM > USF...

Based on what? Youve gone completely off the deep end lately. Its not our fault your school wasnt good enough for the ACC.

You asked, so you shall receive:

Southern Mississippi has a tradition of winning, they had 18 straight winning seasons and over the last decade they've averaged 7.2 wins a year with two 9-win seasons and one 11-win season. Over the past few years, their basketball has become much more solid and has probably overtaken USF. I think it is simply laughable for a school like USF (the poster boy for potential), to look down upon an addition of a program like Southern Miss that has achieved so much and has been a successful athletic program.

All time win %:
USM - .594
USF - .624

Bowl record:
USM - 10-12
USF - 4-2

As you say, over the last decade USM has averaged 7.2 wins (not sure if you're counting their 0-12 this year), USF has averaged 6.7 facing much harder competition. Not sure if you threw out USMs 0-12 to get that 7.2 though, if you did its only fair to throw out USFs 3-9 last year and put us at 7.3. This year was our first time losing to a non bcs team since 2004.

Their market has 150k in it, compared to 2.7 million in the tampa area.

Their stadium seats 30k less than ours and their attendance even in 2011 when they had a very good team was in the high 20s. I know high 20s in attendance will impress a cincy fan, whos school struggles to fill their 30k seat stadium even in good years. Compare that to USF which is mid 40s in a bad year and low 50s in a good year.

Both USF & USM had similar ncaat droughts, both returned last year, we won 2 games, they lost in the first round.

The Sun Dome with its new renovations is light years ahead of their basketball arena. All of our facilities are brand new and far superior to theirs.

Our revenue and athletic funding dwarfs theirs. To my knowledge they are nearly completely broke at this point.

USM did well to win so many games in CUSA for the past 10 years or so, but outside of that and the fact that theyve been around forever i cant think of one legit thing that would put them ahead of us.

Not to mention, there have been 11 teams that have been invited and accepted to the BE between USF & USM, and likely many more that were invited and declined, with USM not even on deck, being overlooked next by Tulsa and UMass as the next 2 in. This means even your school doesnt share your opinion.

I didn't throw out the 0-12 season, if I was to they'd average 8 wins a season. Also, isn't it so sad that your only smack talk is attendance and market? Is that what is really has come to in college sports? Cincinnati is much better in football and in basketball it really isn't even fair to compare. Point is Southern Miss should be considered as a lead expansion candidate, as they are the ant-USF.
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RE: "Last Stand for Big East"
(01-16-2013 08:32 PM)Bearcat_Bounce Wrote:  
(01-16-2013 08:16 PM)BullsBEAST Wrote:  
(01-16-2013 07:31 PM)Bearcat_Bounce Wrote:  
(01-15-2013 07:57 PM)BullsBEAST Wrote:  
(01-15-2013 07:26 PM)Bearcat_Bounce Wrote:  Hate to do this BEAST, but USM > USF...

Based on what? Youve gone completely off the deep end lately. Its not our fault your school wasnt good enough for the ACC.

You asked, so you shall receive:

Southern Mississippi has a tradition of winning, they had 18 straight winning seasons and over the last decade they've averaged 7.2 wins a year with two 9-win seasons and one 11-win season. Over the past few years, their basketball has become much more solid and has probably overtaken USF. I think it is simply laughable for a school like USF (the poster boy for potential), to look down upon an addition of a program like Southern Miss that has achieved so much and has been a successful athletic program.

All time win %:
USM - .594
USF - .624

Bowl record:
USM - 10-12
USF - 4-2

As you say, over the last decade USM has averaged 7.2 wins (not sure if you're counting their 0-12 this year), USF has averaged 6.7 facing much harder competition. Not sure if you threw out USMs 0-12 to get that 7.2 though, if you did its only fair to throw out USFs 3-9 last year and put us at 7.3. This year was our first time losing to a non bcs team since 2004.

Their market has 150k in it, compared to 2.7 million in the tampa area.

Their stadium seats 30k less than ours and their attendance even in 2011 when they had a very good team was in the high 20s. I know high 20s in attendance will impress a cincy fan, whos school struggles to fill their 30k seat stadium even in good years. Compare that to USF which is mid 40s in a bad year and low 50s in a good year.

Both USF & USM had similar ncaat droughts, both returned last year, we won 2 games, they lost in the first round.

The Sun Dome with its new renovations is light years ahead of their basketball arena. All of our facilities are brand new and far superior to theirs.

Our revenue and athletic funding dwarfs theirs. To my knowledge they are nearly completely broke at this point.

USM did well to win so many games in CUSA for the past 10 years or so, but outside of that and the fact that theyve been around forever i cant think of one legit thing that would put them ahead of us.

Not to mention, there have been 11 teams that have been invited and accepted to the BE between USF & USM, and likely many more that were invited and declined, with USM not even on deck, being overlooked next by Tulsa and UMass as the next 2 in. This means even your school doesnt share your opinion.

I didn't throw out the 0-12 season, if I was to they'd average 8 wins a season. Also, isn't it so sad that your only smack talk is attendance and market? Is that what is really has come to in college sports? Cincinnati is much better in football and in basketball it really isn't even fair to compare. Point is Southern Miss should be considered as a lead expansion candidate, as they are the ant-USF.

My only smack talk? Did you not read my post or did you forget the first half of it before you finished? Youve pulled one line out of a very large post and claimed that that one line was my only point i made the post about.

The difference between usf and uc in the past 7 or 8 years is nothing more than you making good coaching hires and us making poor ones. UC has no signature wins and won the big east by having two straight phoenominal coaches who got their teams up to play the games that were on their level, and got creamed by teams that were even slightly better.

Also, markets is part of the arguement with any and all of these debates. Rutgers and Maryland getting the nods to the big 10 should tell you all you need to know about that. If your school ever manages their way into a better league, the cincinnati market will have more to do with it than your football success.

I didnt even get into academics, Southern Miss's academics are barely over juco level.
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Congrats, you have a 3% better winning percentage. USF started playing football in 1997 and USM in 1912. Nice stat man!

As usual, BullsBEAST is grasping for straws. Bottom line, is USM should be in the Big East...especially considering USF was invited having accomplished next to nothing compared to what USM has accomplished...
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RE: "Last Stand for Big East"
(01-16-2013 08:16 PM)BullsBEAST Wrote:  
(01-16-2013 07:31 PM)Bearcat_Bounce Wrote:  
(01-15-2013 07:57 PM)BullsBEAST Wrote:  
(01-15-2013 07:26 PM)Bearcat_Bounce Wrote:  
(01-15-2013 07:18 PM)BullsBEAST Wrote:  I personally think USM would be an atrocious add. I prefer wait on one of the schools with upside. The 3rd best university in the poorest state in the US is a pretty unattractive option for me. No need to add anyone now, i'd prefer wait and see how UTSA, UMass, Charlotte, Georgia St. ODU etc develop, or see if some of the western schools who arent interested now come around. No point in adding any of the remaining options.

Hate to do this BEAST, but USM > USF...

Based on what? Youve gone completely off the deep end lately. Its not our fault your school wasnt good enough for the ACC.

You asked, so you shall receive:

Southern Mississippi has a tradition of winning, they had 18 straight winning seasons and over the last decade they've averaged 7.2 wins a year with two 9-win seasons and one 11-win season. Over the past few years, their basketball has become much more solid and has probably overtaken USF. I think it is simply laughable for a school like USF (the poster boy for potential), to look down upon an addition of a program like Southern Miss that has achieved so much and has been a successful athletic program.

All time win %:
USM - .594
USF - .624

Bowl record:
USM - 10-12
USF - 4-2

As you say, over the last decade USM has averaged 7.2 wins (not sure if you're counting their 0-12 this year), USF has averaged 6.7 facing much harder competition. Not sure if you threw out USMs 0-12 to get that 7.2 though, if you did its only fair to throw out USFs 3-9 last year and put us at 7.3. This year was our first time losing to a non bcs team since 2004.

Their market has 150k in it, compared to 2.7 million in the tampa area.

Their stadium seats 30k less than ours and their attendance even in 2011 when they had a very good team was in the high 20s. I know high 20s in attendance will impress a cincy fan, whos school struggles to fill their 30k seat stadium even in good years. Compare that to USF which is mid 40s in a bad year and low 50s in a good year.

Both USF & USM had similar ncaat droughts, both returned last year, we won 2 games, they lost in the first round.

The Sun Dome with its new renovations is light years ahead of their basketball arena. All of our facilities are brand new and far superior to theirs.

Our revenue and athletic funding dwarfs theirs. To my knowledge they are nearly completely broke at this point.

USM did well to win so many games in CUSA for the past 10 years or so, but outside of that and the fact that theyve been around forever i cant think of one legit thing that would put them ahead of us.
Not to mention, there have been 11 teams that have been invited and accepted to the BE between USF & USM, and likely many more that were invited and declined, with USM not even on deck, being overlooked next by Tulsa and UMass as the next 2 in. This means even your school doesnt share your opinion.

Im sure since your memory is about as short as your pecker you have forgotten about this
http://www.southernmiss.com/sports/m-bas...11210.html
http://www.southernmiss.com/sports/m-bas...m1222.html

Those are box scores from 2 straight years where Southern Miss beat usf on the hardwood.
There isnt alot of love here in our poor red state for a school that employs terror suspects.
You can spout any numbers you want but remimber, you only beat us once in your history. Or as we used to say, South Florida..... its whats for dinner
Right now you could not get us in whatever you want to name your league. As bad a cusa is, we have a tv contract not speculation. usf will be in a sad state soon. Your gonna be left all alone with a group of schools you thought you left once. All alone after cincy and uconn are gone to bigger and better leagues.
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