I know we're all thoroughly enjoying this year. But the talk on the game thread about this team seriously struggling next year without Cash got me wondering about what the lineup would be and moreso, who would be the PG.

UC loses Cash, Parker, and Mbodj. Oh, and Eppensteiner (wink).

Seniors:
Justin Jackson
David Nyarsuk
Sean Kilpatrick (if he doesn't leave early)
Titus Rubles

Juniors:
Kelvin Gaines
Ge'Lawn Guyn
Jermaine Sanders

Sophomores:
Jeremiah Davis III (redshirt)
Shaquille Thomas

Frosh:
Caupain
K Johnson
Strickland
Morman (if he qualifies)

Although part of me wishes Caupain was mature enough and ready enough to start at PG as a frosh, I don't see it happening in a million years.

If JDIII has a good enough handle and is healthy, I prefer him at PG over Guyn.

My preference at this point for 2014-2015:
PG JDIII, Guyn
SG S K
SF Sanders, Thomas
PF Rubles, JJ
C JJ, Nyarsuk

(Insert the typical comments "can't we just enjoy this year", etc.)

SK is not leaving. JDIII is not a PG.

(01-15-2013 11:45 PM)subflea Wrote:  SK is not leaving.

Yeah, I already knew that. But somebody was bound to mention that he might, so I qualified it.

Quote: JDIII is not a PG.

Neither was Cash a true PG. And I comment often that he really is a SG running the point.

If Guyn is the PG next season, UC is SOL.

Never thought I'd say this but I agree with Chatter. Guyn looks like he's way out of his league out there. I've been waiting for 2 seasons to see anything at all out of him & other than some decent on the ball defense, he's just not very good at basketball in my opinion. Looks to me like he'd be a solid contributer at NKU, not the Big East. Maybe not even in the MAC... Not trying to bash the kid. Just the way I see it. Hope I'm wrong.

(01-16-2013 01:21 AM)cincy11 Wrote:  Never thought I'd say this but I agree with Chatter. Guyn looks like he's way out of his league out there. I've been waiting for 2 seasons to see anything at all out of him & other than some decent on the ball defense, he's just not very good at basketball in my opinion. Looks to me like he'd be a solid contributer at NKU, not the Big East. Maybe not even in the MAC... Not trying to bash the kid. Just the way I see it. Hope I'm wrong.

I fear that the entire junior class will be a bust. Guyn has not shown any ability whatsoever to score or run the point, I mean not even flashes. Sanders is a complete enigma to me as he was heralded as this big-time NYC scorer but lacks both explosiveness and confidence. I don't see Sanders being anything more than a below average role player. And well, Gaines, I think what we see is what we get...he's 5 fouls and not much else.

I feel like some of the blame has to be put on Cronin...every single one of our bench players plays scared. It is almost like these guys refuse to attempt to make a play because if it doesn't work out and they make a mistake then they will never play again. Then we see glimpses of JDIII making flashy passes in transition and nifty moves to the bucket then next thing we know he is apparently in Cronin's dog house for some unknown reason (at least to me).

I must say it is extremely frustrating to watch and I've been pondering this all season long. Watching Louisville the other night play against UConn I saw a team that was fearless not just on defense (like Cincy is) but on offense too. Obviously there is a gap in talent between our squad and theirs but their play style was so much more exciting. He11, even Cash, Kilpatrick, and Parker play timid at times, are Smith and Siva really just that better playmakers. For all this push the tempo crap we heard this off-season at the end of the day we are still this grind it out half court team that can't score unless the defense is creating the offense or our 3's happen to be falling that night.

Don't get me wrong, I love Cronin and what he is doing for this program but the offense is thoroughly painful to watch...still. /rant

If you can get 12 points and 6 assists combined from Guyn and JD3 theyll be fine. Thats not a lot to ask of those 2. Guyn does some good things, is he a 1st team Big East...no. Caupain and Johnson will play so little I wouldnt mind if they were both red shirted (doubt that'll happen). I can see Sanders and Shaq handling the ball a lot more next year as well. UC recruits vs UL recruits are apples vs oranges.

I see JDIII starting at the point next season. It seems to me he is being redshirted for the purpose of staying another year and not because of a serious injury. The guy is a lights out shooter. Last night the announcers mentioned how Cash was a SG in high school. If JDIII can control the ball, I can see him turning into a cash in a few years. Have you seen this guy shoot? Also with Caupain. He is being recruited as a combo guard, but I see him being a PG his years in Cincinnati. The guy can do it all.

PG-JDIII, Caupain, Guyn
SG-SK, Caupain, Shaq, Morman, KJ
SF-Shaq, Saunders, Morman
PF-(LAWRENCE PLEASE)Rubles, JJ
C-JJ, (Lawrence), Nyarsuk, Strickland

This recruiting class is skeptical. There arent many highligh videos of any of them. Caupain IMO is the best player coming in being able to do it all and hopefully it translates quicker rather than later. Morman also shows flashes of greatness. Has some great ups and plays great D. Strickland could be the X-factor. Morman, Caupain, and Strickland are all under the radar recruits (atleast I hope). Strickland, before this year hadnt played basketball in 2 years because of knee injuries. (hopefully this means his knees will be fine now that he already got it out of the way) In his first year back on the court, Strickland has been a monster. The guy has a real soft touch around the rim as a left handed big man. Im not so sure about Kevin Johnson. Havent seen much on him. He looks like he needs to put on some weight to be able to contribute right away

I agree with those saying JDIII should be the point. I don't know how the guy the label of not being a pg. From what I've seen of him on the floor he has great vision and is a solid ball handler. Guyn won't cut it.

(01-16-2013 07:53 AM)BeerCat Wrote:  I agree with those saying JDIII should be the point. I don't know how the guy the label of not being a pg. From what I've seen of him on the floor he has great vision and is a solid ball handler. Guyn won't cut it.

Mick made several comments earlier this year that they were moving JDIII off the ball. They could revisit that but the comments from Mick are why people are saying he isn't going to be the PG.

Guyn has probably played a total of 300 minutes in his career, while that is concerning, it's far too small a sample to write a player off. There were people writing off Cash after his sophomore year, now he is the best player on the team. Not saying Guyn will improve anywhere near that much but he could still be a solid PG.

Next year's team desparately needs Jermaine Lawrence. This team will be worse in the backcourt so they need to make up for that by getting better in the front court.

This is old school. Chatter and his 2016 projected lineups. Good times.

(01-16-2013 03:42 AM)UCbball21 Wrote:  I fear that the entire junior class will be a bust.

I remember hearing similar things about Cash and Parker after their sophomore seasons.

(01-16-2013 08:36 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  This is old school. Chatter and his 2016 projected lineups. Good times.

Oh sorry. Didn't realize it's already 2015.

(01-16-2013 07:28 AM)R03jsniper Wrote:  Also with Caupain. He is being recruited as a combo guard

No he isn't...

Easily to stupidest thread Chatter has started since 2009.

(01-16-2013 06:53 PM)ctipton Wrote:  Easily to stupidest thread Chatter has started since 2009.

Wow. You disappoint me Chris.

Cash goes down with injury during the game, and the game thread goes into fear about the PG position.

Guyn gives nothing the rest of the game, if not most of this season so far. JDIII isn't available because of injury. The game goes from a solid lead down to 3 points.

On many threads, on this site and others I post on, posters comment that without Cash this team is in trouble this year and next.

So remind me again, why a discussion that is mainly about the PG position next year is stupid? Oh yeah. It isn't.

And yet, you felt the need to respond to the thread too, like many others.

It's a reasonable topic. If you have nothing to contribute, then don't post.

You're usually classy, ctip. Not this time.

I see nothing wrong with looking to next year and speculating what the starting lineup will be or at least some combinations of line ups. Why is this being quesitoned?!?!?! If you don't want to talk about this subject just simply refrain from clicking on the thread title and/or commenting.

(01-16-2013 04:09 PM)GameTime_21 Wrote:  

(01-16-2013 07:28 AM)R03jsniper Wrote:  Also with Caupain. He is being recruited as a combo guard

No he isn't...

Sorry didnt explain it completely. Caupain was being recruited by every other school as a combo guard. Meaning he could play either the 1 or 2. Cincinnati though saw him more as a 1. Its the same concept that happened recruiting Kenny Satterfield. All the other schools recruiting him considered him a 2 guard while we were one of the only schools wanting him to play point. And I heard Cash was a shooting guard in high school too, but we used him at point. The only reason I even brought that up was because if other schools consider him a combo guard, doesnt that somewhat imply he is a scorer? So hopefully when he gets here and matures a little, he will be able to be another Cash in the aspect he can put the ball in the basket

From reading some of his high school game updates, Caupain gets to the FT line frequently and is almost automatic. He supposedly knows how to control a game and is fairly mature for only being 17 years old. Some of this I'm getting from private messages from some people in the know on bearcattalk.com that follow the kid.

He is going to play PG unless he fails at it. KJ will be a 2-guard.

If you watch Morman's clips on youtube, he plays PG occasionally. Atleast it looks like it. I'm sure he'll be a 2-guard if he qualifies. He's listed at 6'-4".

If Shaq keeps progressing I expect him to handle the ball quite a bit next year from the sf spot. He handles it well and his quickness and length are tough to match up with.