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RE: Obama: do as I say, not as I do on gun control
(01-15-2013 01:55 PM)DesertBronco Wrote:  The average schmuck gets a handgun for the warm fuzzy, might shoot it a few times, doesn't get familiar with it enough to be able to use in a time of crisis. Again, there are statistics that show that there is a much higher occurence of accidental deaths from mishandled and improperly stored guns in their house than crimes/invasions that they prevented.

I am glad to have a brick house for the most part in case some airhead neighbor discharges while cleaning. :domokun:

We had 40 acres and a cabin near Hardy Dam and the Muskegon River. I shot squirrels with a .22 as a kid, although hunting has never been my thing. If you can hit a squirrel in a tree, you can hit a perp that is 10 feet away. I'd be more concerned about the gun not firing than missing the target.
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RE: Obama: do as I say, not as I do on gun control
Again, if you speak with anyone who has been in life or death situations, there's a reason for the reptitive training, you're not thinking right, and it's not quite as simple as "shooting a squirrel" with a .22 rifle.

Unless you're one of the rare few who become "one with the gun" and are deadly accurate, which is usually induced by rage. You know, like when men come home and put six in a perfect group on the guy sleeping with his wife. :domokun:
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RE: Obama: do as I say, not as I do on gun control
Squirrel= tiny target, 40 to 60 feet away

Perp= large target 10-15 feet away

Even when rattled, you can pull this off. Ten shot clip, hit him with 7 or 8 you should be good to go.
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Yeah, you'd probably shoot yourself in the foot putting it away first.
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RE: Obama: do as I say, not as I do on gun control
(01-15-2013 03:42 PM)DesertBronco Wrote:  Yeah, you'd probably shoot yourself in the foot putting it away first.

Well possibly, but I figure 7 or 8 shots would hit the target.

It's funny, I was having this discussion with my wife last night. She wants a handgun. My fear with a hand gun is accidental shootings are more risky and non-accidental shootings, i.e. she shoots me 01-lauramac2....... seem more common.

We also discussed a security system in the house, but I think we'd get killed with false alarm fees because one of us wouldn't disarm the system. For 25 bucks you can get an ADT sign and sticker kit off from Amazon, and for $20 you can get fake surveillance cameras complete with blinking diodes.

My brother in law lives in a McMansion community in Mason, OH. He installed his own surveilance system (from Sams Club). They were having some problems with theft off construction sites, so he pointed a couple of cameras at the house being built next door to his house. Within a week that house was robbed and the perps also came to his house and started looking in the egress windows on his house. He got a lot of video of them, some of it up close. He showed it to the cops, and they were able to apprehend the thieves.
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RE: Obama: do as I say, not as I do on gun control
He's lucky, half the time they don't do anything off of those videos.

You plan on locking up that handgun? Revolver, clip, what? Are you going to go out regularly and get "re-acquianted" with the gun?

I'd look into the Colt Judge. Serious, takes .45 or .410 shotgun shells, which in close quarters is what you want. Best one for the nightstand, as long as you put a lock on the nighstand, keep the ammo seperate, and keep it secure. You have a wee one to think about, they get in places that you can't even fanthom, in case you forgot.
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Quote:You plan on locking up that handgun? Revolver, clip, what? Are you going to go out regularly and get "re-acquianted" with the gun?

I wouldn't get a handgun. I'd get a low powered rifle with a clip, and put the ammo in a safe with either a combination access or fingerprint recognition access.

Ironic, I hadn't given a whole lot of thought to a gun in the house until Obama threatened to take them away. Others must be thinking the same thing, as gun sales have gone through the roof as of late.
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I'm interested to see the stats on the increases with "in home" accidents and how they coincide with the increase of new gun sales.
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RE: Obama: do as I say, not as I do on gun control
I've stayed out of this for the most part, but here's how I see it, now that some of the supposed changes are being discussed in the news:

Assault Weapon Ban
  • It's just reinstating what we had in place from 1994-2004.

Ban High-Capacity (>10 Round) Magazines
  • Same as above. I don't know that 10 is the right or magic number, but it's what the law used to be.

Universal Background Checks
  • How is this a bad thing? You still have every right to own a gun, provided you're not crazy.

Additional Funding for Mental Health Programs
  • I'd like to see more detail on this, but it's clearly a large part of what's been going on. We need to do everything possible to help people who are mentally ill.

So, basically, I realize the NRA and a lot of people are screaming - loudly - about how Obama's trying to ruin the country, end the world, make us vulnerable to alien invasion, whatever... but all of these truly do seem like common-sense proposals to me.

You can still own guns. You can still protect yourself and your family. It's just logical that a little bit more oversight is injected into the whole process.

Source: http://www.cnn.com/2013/01/16/politics/g...index.html
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(01-16-2013 10:01 AM)stdatwmu Wrote:  I've stayed out of this for the most part, but here's how I see it, now that some of the supposed changes are being discussed in the news:

Assault Weapon Ban
  • It's just reinstating what we had in place from 1994-2004.

Ban High-Capacity (>10 Round) Magazines
  • Same as above. I don't know that 10 is the right or magic number, but it's what the law used to be.

Universal Background Checks
  • How is this a bad thing? You still have every right to own a gun, provided you're not crazy.

Additional Funding for Mental Health Programs
  • I'd like to see more detail on this, but it's clearly a large part of what's been going on. We need to do everything possible to help people who are mentally ill.

So, basically, I realize the NRA and a lot of people are screaming - loudly - about how Obama's trying to ruin the country, end the world, make us vulnerable to alien invasion, whatever... but all of these truly do seem like common-sense proposals to me.

You can still own guns. You can still protect yourself and your family. It's just logical that a little bit more oversight is injected into the whole process.

Source: http://www.cnn.com/2013/01/16/politics/g...index.html

I like those ideas. I'd only add that if people want to own high powered assault rifles that shoot multiple rounds within seconds...not a problem, they need to be kept under lock and key with surveillance at a gun range.
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(01-16-2013 10:10 AM)EA3 Wrote:  I like those ideas. I'd only add that if people want to own high powered assault rifles that shoot multiple rounds within seconds...not a problem, they need to be kept under lock and key with surveillance at a gun range.

Seems like a reasonable idea/compromise to me!
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The question then becomes what is "high powered"? Generally a .22 is not considered high powered and yet that is exactly the caliber most "assault weapons" are made in. Most hunting rifles are .30, are they high powered? Certainly a .50 would be high powered, yet restricting them would do nothing as they are already very rare.
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Which guns are easily modified to become automatic weapons? 03-shhhh
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Read through it and I think the President's plan is fair and reasonable and can be a positive, although I would say that assault rifles should still remain obtainable but only after a long review process and under strict regulation. I enjoy shooting them, but any nutjob with a wad of cash shouldn't be allowed to walk into a gunshow and then walk out with an assault rifle and ammo. It's just common sense. His 23 executive orders don't seem to overstep any congressional power and every one of them seems to be a positive step in the right direction. It sucks the NRA and far right are going to blast them because of their pre-conditioned hatred for Obama, instead of actually looking at his proposals and executive orders from a neutral viewpoint.
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Exactly. Any restrictions should be geared toward the rapid fire issue. Nothing will end school shootings etc. It should only be focused reducing the number of shots a crazed gun man can get off before he is taken out. Small magazines, non auto or semi auto that's the way to go. I don't think it needs to be about caliber, but rate of fire.

I've thought often about EA's idea in the past. I would also be fine with gun ranges selling high volume magazines for fire at the range too, but restrict the ability to take them off site.
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I actually thought Jon Stewart (this is from last week) did a pretty darn good job summing up the whole situation...

Pt. 1 - http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/tue-ja...oat-hunter

Pt. 2 - http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/tue-ja...un-control
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