(01-11-2013 12:23 PM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  

(01-11-2013 12:22 PM)Latilleon Wrote:  

(01-11-2013 11:56 AM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  

(01-11-2013 11:52 AM)BandwagonJumper Wrote:  John Martin ‏@JohnMartinCA

http://MemphisTigers.org , wherein Josh Pastner is compared to a Ford Mustang: http://csnbbs.com/showthread.php?tid=612575 …

Jesus, we just can't keep from embarrassing ourselves in front of the national public.

SMH

Sorry, but the local Jimmy Olsen is not national.

You DO know how Twitter works though, right?

I know that no one cares about John Martin outside of Memphis.

Then when Gary Parrish inevitability is dragged in, he's looks pitiful haggling over this stupid thread.

(01-11-2013 12:25 PM)Latilleon Wrote:  

(01-11-2013 12:23 PM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  

(01-11-2013 12:22 PM)Latilleon Wrote:  

(01-11-2013 11:56 AM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  

(01-11-2013 11:52 AM)BandwagonJumper Wrote:  John Martin ‏@JohnMartinCA

http://MemphisTigers.org , wherein Josh Pastner is compared to a Ford Mustang: http://csnbbs.com/showthread.php?tid=612575 …

Jesus, we just can't keep from embarrassing ourselves in front of the national public.

SMH

Sorry, but the local Jimmy Olsen is not national.

You DO know how Twitter works though, right?

I know that no one cares about John Martin outside of Memphis.

Then when Gary Parrish inevitability is dragged in, he's looks pitiful haggling over this stupid thread.

Well, there's apparently an axe to grind there, so I'll just go on about my business...

(01-11-2013 12:23 PM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  

(01-11-2013 12:20 PM)Derby Wrote:  

(01-11-2013 12:08 PM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  

(01-11-2013 11:58 AM)uofmwalton Wrote:  This is the worst thread in the history of worst threads.

+ 1 bazzillion.

I find it quite entertaining, metaphorically.

Nice to see more and more folks think before they post, or least know of what they are talking instead of casting stones about stuff they know next to little, or nothing, about.

Really, really stretches the analogy and I don't think the readers first response is one that the OP wants:

"If you got rid of a Porsche, and wanted something that performed like a Porsche, why didn't you go out and get another Porsche?"

Even if you were trying for budget performance, a Mustang just isn't a lot of bang for your buck. You should have bought another car. If you really want cheap performance you should get a light weight boderline street legal car like a Caterham (although that's not really a production car, so maybe it doesn't count...)

Wait. I'm getting lost in the bad metaphor again...

(01-11-2013 12:23 PM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  

(01-11-2013 12:20 PM)Derby Wrote:  

(01-11-2013 12:08 PM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  

(01-11-2013 11:58 AM)uofmwalton Wrote:  This is the worst thread in the history of worst threads.

+ 1 bazzillion.

I find it quite entertaining, metaphorically.

Nice to see more and more folks think before they post, or least know of what they are talking instead of casting stones about stuff they know next to little, or nothing, about.

Really, really stretches the analogy and I don't think the readers first response is one that the OP wants:

"If you got rid of a Porsche, and wanted something that performed like a Porsche, why didn't you go out and get another Porsche?"

He turned out to be better than the Mustang, might actually turn out to be a Porsche, and if we had to do another search...I highly doubt we would be able to even get another Mustang.

Missouri - Frank Haith
Illinois - John Groce
Arkansuck - Stan Heath, Dana Altman, John Pelphrey
Virginia - Dave Leitao
Miami - Jim Larranaga
NC State - Herb Sendek, Sidney Lowe, Mark Gottfried
Oklahoma - Lon Kruger
Alabama - Anthony Grant
Kansas State - Bruce Webber
Clemson - Brad Brownell


All good programs...all mediocre coaches.

(01-11-2013 12:23 PM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  Really, really stretches the analogy...

You are certainly entitled to your opinion, as I am mine. My high school and college English professors would've loved it.

Not everything in here needs to be dumbed down.

(01-11-2013 12:32 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(01-11-2013 12:23 PM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  

(01-11-2013 12:20 PM)Derby Wrote:  

(01-11-2013 12:08 PM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  

(01-11-2013 11:58 AM)uofmwalton Wrote:  This is the worst thread in the history of worst threads.

+ 1 bazzillion.

I find it quite entertaining, metaphorically.

Nice to see more and more folks think before they post, or least know of what they are talking instead of casting stones about stuff they know next to little, or nothing, about.

Really, really stretches the analogy and I don't think the readers first response is one that the OP wants:

"If you got rid of a Porsche, and wanted something that performed like a Porsche, why didn't you go out and get another Porsche?"

He turned out to be better than the Mustang, might actually turn out to be a Porsche, and if we had to do another search...I highly doubt we would be able to even get another Mustang.

Missouri - Frank Haith
Illinois - John Groce
Arkansuck - Stan Heath, Dana Altman, John Pelphrey
Virginia - Dave Leitao
Miami - Jim Larranaga
NC State - Herb Sendek, Sidney Lowe, Mark Gottfried
Oklahoma - Lon Kruger
Alabama - Anthony Grant
Kansas State - Bruce Webber
Clemson - Brad Brownell


All good programs...all mediocre coaches.

That's where the analogy gets strained. How do you not know whether you have a Porsche or a Ford?

Are you saying that all those programs got rid of a good coach and got a worse coach?

(01-11-2013 12:32 PM)Briskbas Wrote:  

(01-11-2013 12:23 PM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  

(01-11-2013 12:20 PM)Derby Wrote:  

(01-11-2013 12:08 PM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  

(01-11-2013 11:58 AM)uofmwalton Wrote:  This is the worst thread in the history of worst threads.

+ 1 bazzillion.

I find it quite entertaining, metaphorically.

Nice to see more and more folks think before they post, or least know of what they are talking instead of casting stones about stuff they know next to little, or nothing, about.

Really, really stretches the analogy and I don't think the readers first response is one that the OP wants:

"If you got rid of a Porsche, and wanted something that performed like a Porsche, why didn't you go out and get another Porsche?"

Even if you were trying for budget performance, a Mustang just isn't a lot of bang for your buck. You should have bought another car. If you really want cheap performance you should get a light weight boderline street legal car like a Caterham (although that's not really a production car, so maybe it doesn't count...)

Wait. I'm getting lost in the bad metaphor again...

If Pastner was a Mustang, Leonard Hamilton and Tim Floyd were Pintos. Scott Drew is like a Toyota before 14 million of them are recalled.

(01-11-2013 11:04 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  Instead of getting a tried and true mechanic, you hire David Puddy because it will bring more pub, and when you lose a member of the pit crew the driver insists he can either do without that member or he'll just go get a buddy of his that has some time to kill.

Scott Drew/Bruce Pearl.

(01-11-2013 12:32 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(01-11-2013 12:23 PM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  

(01-11-2013 12:20 PM)Derby Wrote:  

(01-11-2013 12:08 PM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  

(01-11-2013 11:58 AM)uofmwalton Wrote:  This is the worst thread in the history of worst threads.

+ 1 bazzillion.

I find it quite entertaining, metaphorically.

Nice to see more and more folks think before they post, or least know of what they are talking instead of casting stones about stuff they know next to little, or nothing, about.

Really, really stretches the analogy and I don't think the readers first response is one that the OP wants:

"If you got rid of a Porsche, and wanted something that performed like a Porsche, why didn't you go out and get another Porsche?"

He turned out to be better than the Mustang, might actually turn out to be a Porsche, and if we had to do another search...I highly doubt we would be able to even get another Mustang.

Missouri - Frank Haith
Illinois - John Groce
Arkansuck - Stan Heath, Dana Altman, John Pelphrey
Virginia - Dave Leitao
Miami - Jim Larranaga
NC State - Herb Sendek, Sidney Lowe, Mark Gottfried
Oklahoma - Lon Kruger
Alabama - Anthony Grant
Kansas State - Bruce Webber
Clemson - Brad Brownell


All good programs...all mediocre coaches.

Sidney Lowe was below a mediocre coach.

The real question... All the other coaches you call mediocre... What would have done against the crappy conference schedule we've had over the previous 3 seasons?

Because every school/coach you've mentioned had a tough conference schedule to contend with.

IIRC, I think RC Johnson might have looked at a car a lot of people thought was quite similar to a Caterham, but dithered over making an offer because he was concerned about whether or not he could get it through inspection... Especially since the previous Porsche was known for spewing a lot of carbon monoxide from its tailpipe.

#downtherabbithole #cannotescape

(01-11-2013 12:38 PM)Latilleon Wrote:  

(01-11-2013 12:32 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(01-11-2013 12:23 PM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  

(01-11-2013 12:20 PM)Derby Wrote:  

(01-11-2013 12:08 PM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  + 1 bazzillion.

I find it quite entertaining, metaphorically.

Nice to see more and more folks think before they post, or least know of what they are talking instead of casting stones about stuff they know next to little, or nothing, about.

Really, really stretches the analogy and I don't think the readers first response is one that the OP wants:

"If you got rid of a Porsche, and wanted something that performed like a Porsche, why didn't you go out and get another Porsche?"

He turned out to be better than the Mustang, might actually turn out to be a Porsche, and if we had to do another search...I highly doubt we would be able to even get another Mustang.

Missouri - Frank Haith
Illinois - John Groce
Arkansuck - Stan Heath, Dana Altman, John Pelphrey
Virginia - Dave Leitao
Miami - Jim Larranaga
NC State - Herb Sendek, Sidney Lowe, Mark Gottfried
Oklahoma - Lon Kruger
Alabama - Anthony Grant
Kansas State - Bruce Webber
Clemson - Brad Brownell


All good programs...all mediocre coaches.

Sidney Lowe was below a mediocre coach.

The real question... All the other coaches you call mediocre... What would have done against the crappy conference schedule we've had over the previous 3 seasons?

Because every school/coach you've mentioned had a tough conference schedule to contend with.

And several have made deep tournament runs and have their respective teams playing pretty well right now.

I presume Cal is an F16 fighter jet..

(01-11-2013 12:36 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(01-11-2013 12:32 PM)Briskbas Wrote:  

(01-11-2013 12:23 PM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  

(01-11-2013 12:20 PM)Derby Wrote:  

(01-11-2013 12:08 PM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  + 1 bazzillion.

I find it quite entertaining, metaphorically.

Nice to see more and more folks think before they post, or least know of what they are talking instead of casting stones about stuff they know next to little, or nothing, about.

Really, really stretches the analogy and I don't think the readers first response is one that the OP wants:

"If you got rid of a Porsche, and wanted something that performed like a Porsche, why didn't you go out and get another Porsche?"

Even if you were trying for budget performance, a Mustang just isn't a lot of bang for your buck. You should have bought another car. If you really want cheap performance you should get a light weight boderline street legal car like a Caterham (although that's not really a production car, so maybe it doesn't count...)

Wait. I'm getting lost in the bad metaphor again...

If Pastner was a Mustang, Leonard Hamilton and Tim Floyd were Pintos. Scott Drew is like a Toyota before 14 million of them are recalled.

Tim Floyd sucks, but I think he'd get more out of our current talent than Josh would.

If Scott Drew had come, he might be a JA, but his recruiting would probably be on Josh's level and he'd have a top 25 win by now.

(01-11-2013 12:40 PM)tigergg Wrote:  I presume Cal is an F16 fighter jet..

I don't know if he'd want to be that... But I'm sure he would have preferred to be called a Ferrari or Lamborghini over a Porsche.

(01-11-2013 12:40 PM)Latilleon Wrote:  

(01-11-2013 12:36 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(01-11-2013 12:32 PM)Briskbas Wrote:  

(01-11-2013 12:23 PM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  

(01-11-2013 12:20 PM)Derby Wrote:  I find it quite entertaining, metaphorically.

Nice to see more and more folks think before they post, or least know of what they are talking instead of casting stones about stuff they know next to little, or nothing, about.

Really, really stretches the analogy and I don't think the readers first response is one that the OP wants:

"If you got rid of a Porsche, and wanted something that performed like a Porsche, why didn't you go out and get another Porsche?"

Even if you were trying for budget performance, a Mustang just isn't a lot of bang for your buck. You should have bought another car. If you really want cheap performance you should get a light weight boderline street legal car like a Caterham (although that's not really a production car, so maybe it doesn't count...)

Wait. I'm getting lost in the bad metaphor again...

If Pastner was a Mustang, Leonard Hamilton and Tim Floyd were Pintos. Scott Drew is like a Toyota before 14 million of them are recalled.

Tim Floyd sucks, but I think he'd get more out of our current talent than Josh would.

If Scott Drew had come, he might be a JA, but his recruiting would probably be on Josh's level and he'd have a top 25 win by now.

JA?

Also, Drew has the same problems that people see in Pastner, plus he has the NCAA compliance office breathing down his neck.

(01-11-2013 12:41 PM)Latilleon Wrote:  

(01-11-2013 12:40 PM)tigergg Wrote:  I presume Cal is an F16 fighter jet..

I don't know if he'd want to be that... But I'm sure he would have preferred to be called a Ferrari or Lamborghini over a Porsche.

Yea I thought of that but I figured he would only settle for something that he could look down from because deep down I'm sure he feels above everyone else..

(01-11-2013 12:35 PM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  

(01-11-2013 12:32 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(01-11-2013 12:23 PM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  

(01-11-2013 12:20 PM)Derby Wrote:  

(01-11-2013 12:08 PM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  + 1 bazzillion.

I find it quite entertaining, metaphorically.

Nice to see more and more folks think before they post, or least know of what they are talking instead of casting stones about stuff they know next to little, or nothing, about.

Really, really stretches the analogy and I don't think the readers first response is one that the OP wants:

"If you got rid of a Porsche, and wanted something that performed like a Porsche, why didn't you go out and get another Porsche?"

He turned out to be better than the Mustang, might actually turn out to be a Porsche, and if we had to do another search...I highly doubt we would be able to even get another Mustang.

Missouri - Frank Haith
Illinois - John Groce
Arkansuck - Stan Heath, Dana Altman, John Pelphrey
Virginia - Dave Leitao
Miami - Jim Larranaga
NC State - Herb Sendek, Sidney Lowe, Mark Gottfried
Oklahoma - Lon Kruger
Alabama - Anthony Grant
Kansas State - Bruce Webber
Clemson - Brad Brownell


All good programs...all mediocre coaches.

That's where the analogy gets strained. How do you not know whether you have a Porsche or a Ford?

Are you saying that all those programs got rid of a good coach and got a worse coach?

The bottom line is that nobody wanted the job, and if for some reason Pastner leaves, history tells us that even if Memphis is a supposed very good job; no very good coach will either want it, or be available to take it. If we don't luck into Cal, Johnny Jones stays as the coach and we probably become a slightly above average program averaging around 8-10k per game.

Yes, in many cases the coach twice removed is still worse. Groce might turn out to be better than Bruce Webber; but he certainly isn't Bill Self. Mike Anderson is better than Stan Heath and the end of Nolan Richardson, but Razorback fans haven't been to the Sweet 16 in 16 years.

Steve Lavin is probably better than all of his predecessors dating back to Lou Carnesecca...but they've gone through 20 years of mediocre basketball.

(01-11-2013 12:41 PM)Latilleon Wrote:  

(01-11-2013 12:40 PM)tigergg Wrote:  I presume Cal is an F16 fighter jet..

I don't know if he'd want to be that... But I'm sure he would have preferred to be called a Ferrari or Lamborghini over a Porsche.

If Cal is an Italian supercar, he's definitely a Pagani. Ostentatious challenger to the old guard, striving for legitimacy, and will take you right off the road if you aren't careful with its power.


#pleasegrantmereleaseicannotstop

(01-11-2013 12:42 PM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  

(01-11-2013 12:40 PM)Latilleon Wrote:  

(01-11-2013 12:36 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(01-11-2013 12:32 PM)Briskbas Wrote:  

(01-11-2013 12:23 PM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  Really, really stretches the analogy and I don't think the readers first response is one that the OP wants:

"If you got rid of a Porsche, and wanted something that performed like a Porsche, why didn't you go out and get another Porsche?"

Even if you were trying for budget performance, a Mustang just isn't a lot of bang for your buck. You should have bought another car. If you really want cheap performance you should get a light weight boderline street legal car like a Caterham (although that's not really a production car, so maybe it doesn't count...)

Wait. I'm getting lost in the bad metaphor again...

If Pastner was a Mustang, Leonard Hamilton and Tim Floyd were Pintos. Scott Drew is like a Toyota before 14 million of them are recalled.

Tim Floyd sucks, but I think he'd get more out of our current talent than Josh would.

If Scott Drew had come, he might be a JA, but his recruiting would probably be on Josh's level and he'd have a top 25 win by now.

JA?

Also, Drew has the same problems that people see in Pastner, plus he has the NCAA compliance office breathing down his neck.

JA = Donkey

Scott Drew is more Cal on the floor than Pastner.

Pastner has two things going for him... He's a good, attractive, energetic person and he recruits his behind off.

Drew has some actual college basketball accomplishments from taking a program in actual turmoil that only can be compared to Penn State's football program right now (even the SMU death penalty wasn't in bad of a situation as Baylor's basketball program) and building it all while playing in a tough basketball conference.

So I'd say that Drew doesn't have the same problems as Josh.

(01-11-2013 12:38 PM)Latilleon Wrote:  

(01-11-2013 12:32 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(01-11-2013 12:23 PM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  

(01-11-2013 12:20 PM)Derby Wrote:  

(01-11-2013 12:08 PM)MemphisCanes Wrote:  + 1 bazzillion.

I find it quite entertaining, metaphorically.

Nice to see more and more folks think before they post, or least know of what they are talking instead of casting stones about stuff they know next to little, or nothing, about.

Really, really stretches the analogy and I don't think the readers first response is one that the OP wants:

"If you got rid of a Porsche, and wanted something that performed like a Porsche, why didn't you go out and get another Porsche?"

He turned out to be better than the Mustang, might actually turn out to be a Porsche, and if we had to do another search...I highly doubt we would be able to even get another Mustang.

Missouri - Frank Haith
Illinois - John Groce
Arkansuck - Stan Heath, Dana Altman, John Pelphrey
Virginia - Dave Leitao
Miami - Jim Larranaga
NC State - Herb Sendek, Sidney Lowe, Mark Gottfried
Oklahoma - Lon Kruger
Alabama - Anthony Grant
Kansas State - Bruce Webber
Clemson - Brad Brownell


All good programs...all mediocre coaches.

Sidney Lowe was below a mediocre coach.

The real question... All the other coaches you call mediocre... What would have done against the crappy conference schedule we've had over the previous 3 seasons?

Because every school/coach you've mentioned had a tough conference schedule to contend with.

None of them would be able to recruit to Memphis like Pastner or Cal. Results are relative to the RPI. If you have 12 chances at quality wins, you will luck into 1 or 2 and have a high RPI. You also probably won't be severely punished when you lose against a cupcake. We had one shot at home all year against a ranked opponent, and got screwed by the refs. If we lose to a lesser opponent our RPI will probably go down 15 points.

It's all relative. My opinion is that Pastner is much closer to a Porsche than a Mustang.