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RE: Tommy Tuberville An Unfair Target?
(01-13-2013 05:14 PM)tdbearcat Wrote:  
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(01-13-2013 12:03 PM)BJUnklFkr Wrote:  "Lost his fire?" I doubt it. One thing "The Lubbock Invasion" (my new nickname for all the Texas Tech posters who constantly remind us how bad of a coach Tommy Tuberville is) seems to harp on quite a bit is the game where CTT smacked the headset off the GA in anger. Criticize that incident if you will (and I would actually agree), but "losing his fire" would not seem to be an issue there.

Like I said earlier, I wanted him fired during the 2011 season. Headset gate and his initial response to that embarrassing crapfest should have been cause for immediate dismissal. His crappy apology on the Monday after should have warranted a firing.

Unlike other posters on here, I won't disparage UC or Cincinnati because I have never been to Ohio. I seriously doubt that the posters on here trashing Lubbock and Tech have been to Lubbock. It reeks of aggyism( Texas A&M) stereotypes. I will say this Ole Miss and Auburn fans came to our boards and said the same things I am saying today. He left Ole Miss in a pine box and Auburn fired his lazy butt because he couldn't compete with the elite coaches in the SEC. He thought he could to Lubbock and build on what Leach built. He was a failure on all accounts and our AD told him to shape up or he would be shipped out after 2013. He lost his fire and knew he couldn't compete in the offense happy Big 12 so he ran to a conference that is dying.

For that I thank him.

So why are all you guys so insecure that you're still posting this stuff on UC boards? Seriously, I'm happy that Butch is gone, but have had no inclination to post a word on a UT board.

Methinks y'all protest...too much. 01-lauramac2

Yea, it is weird. I visit other boards like Louisville, and WVA, an d Pitt when they were decent, but I have had no inclination to go to the Tenn. board for some Lyle talk. These Tech fans are weird.
 
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RE: Tommy Tuberville An Unfair Target?
(01-13-2013 05:14 PM)tdbearcat Wrote:  
(01-13-2013 05:04 PM)jml2010 Wrote:  
(01-13-2013 12:03 PM)BJUnklFkr Wrote:  "Lost his fire?" I doubt it. One thing "The Lubbock Invasion" (my new nickname for all the Texas Tech posters who constantly remind us how bad of a coach Tommy Tuberville is) seems to harp on quite a bit is the game where CTT smacked the headset off the GA in anger. Criticize that incident if you will (and I would actually agree), but "losing his fire" would not seem to be an issue there.

Like I said earlier, I wanted him fired during the 2011 season. Headset gate and his initial response to that embarrassing crapfest should have been cause for immediate dismissal. His crappy apology on the Monday after should have warranted a firing.

Unlike other posters on here, I won't disparage UC or Cincinnati because I have never been to Ohio. I seriously doubt that the posters on here trashing Lubbock and Tech have been to Lubbock. It reeks of aggyism( Texas A&M) stereotypes. I will say this Ole Miss and Auburn fans came to our boards and said the same things I am saying today. He left Ole Miss in a pine box and Auburn fired his lazy butt because he couldn't compete with the elite coaches in the SEC. He thought he could to Lubbock and build on what Leach built. He was a failure on all accounts and our AD told him to shape up or he would be shipped out after 2013. He lost his fire and knew he couldn't compete in the offense happy Big 12 so he ran to a conference that is dying.

For that I thank him.

So why are all you guys so insecure that you're still posting this stuff on UC boards? Seriously, I'm happy that Butch is gone, but have had no inclination to post a word on a UT board.

Methinks y'all protest...too much. 01-lauramac2

Not insecure at all. We benefited from tubby running to a conference that may or may not exist.
 
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RE: Tommy Tuberville An Unfair Target?
(01-13-2013 06:27 PM)CD11 Wrote:  
(01-13-2013 08:39 AM)jml2010 Wrote:  
(01-12-2013 09:43 PM)CD11 Wrote:  
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(01-12-2013 10:02 AM)Coopdaddy67 Wrote:  I bet Texas Tech and their fans really doesn't care about Tuberville anymore. A number of them wanted him gone after the sideline incident. They ended up with a pretty good young coach who loves the University. Sounds like a win for both UC and Texas Tech.

Actually they really do. The original story about Tuberville came out of Lubbock. Also, the lone TT fan that I've seen on NCAABS constantly is posting articles that are praising the new coach and taking pot shots at Tuberville. In a place like TT where they suck at everything other than football it is a 24/7 thing to talk about it...

? They're fairly horrendous at football too.....

We were pretty good under Spike Dykes and Mike Leach. During the Leach era(2000-2009), we had the 3rd best record in the Big 12, went to 10 straight bowl games and expanded the football stadium 3 times( capacity almost 61K).

Yeah sorry nobody's impressed by any of that. "3rd best record in the Big XII"? Uh, good job? Here's a gold star. Walk away.

LOL. I'm sure UC fans would love to have that record in a conference that matters. Maybe UC gets the ACC invite but that would mean tubby might have to play in big time TV games again. 01-ncaabbs

Fact: Tubby couldn't win in the Big 12 and ran off before getting fired to a lesser conference. If he doesn't destroy what the previous coaches at UC built, it will be a tremendous surprise.

By all means celebrate right now. UC "stole" a Big 12 coach.
 
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Banish this a$$ clown.
 
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RE: Tommy Tuberville An Unfair Target?
(01-13-2013 08:43 PM)jml2010 Wrote:  
(01-13-2013 06:27 PM)CD11 Wrote:  
(01-13-2013 08:39 AM)jml2010 Wrote:  
(01-12-2013 09:43 PM)CD11 Wrote:  
(01-12-2013 11:51 AM)Bearcat_Bounce Wrote:  Actually they really do. The original story about Tuberville came out of Lubbock. Also, the lone TT fan that I've seen on NCAABS constantly is posting articles that are praising the new coach and taking pot shots at Tuberville. In a place like TT where they suck at everything other than football it is a 24/7 thing to talk about it...

? They're fairly horrendous at football too.....

We were pretty good under Spike Dykes and Mike Leach. During the Leach era(2000-2009), we had the 3rd best record in the Big 12, went to 10 straight bowl games and expanded the football stadium 3 times( capacity almost 61K).




Yeah sorry nobody's impressed by any of that. "3rd best record in the Big XII"? Uh, good job? Here's a gold star. Walk away.

LOL. I'm sure UC fans would love to have that record in a conference that matters. Maybe UC gets the ACC invite but that would mean tubby might have to play in big time TV games again. 01-ncaabbs

Fact: Tubby couldn't win in the Big 12 and ran off before getting fired to a lesser conference. If he doesn't destroy what the previous coaches at UC built, it will be a tremendous surprise.

By all means celebrate right now. UC "stole" a Big 12 coach.

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(01-13-2013 08:58 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Banish this a$$ clown.

Ban me for what? LOL. I have nothing against UC or their fans. I'm sure it is a great school but tubby is a fraud and you guys will learn that in the future.

Speed, championships, weather etc will soon become punch lines with UC fans when they figure out they were sold a bunch of crap. When he leaves and he will leave, I hope he doesn't leave a table full of UC recruits wondering what just happened.
 
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(01-13-2013 09:37 PM)jml2010 Wrote:  
(01-13-2013 08:58 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Banish this a$$ clown.

Ban me for what? LOL. I have nothing against UC or their fans. I'm sure it is a great school but tubby is a fraud and you guys will learn that in the future.

Speed, championships, weather etc will soon become punch lines with UC fans when they figure out they were sold a bunch of crap. When he leaves and he will leave, I hope he doesn't leave a table full of UC recruits wondering what just happened.

I really don't care if they banish you or not. But so long as you're here, you'll be our little entertainment bi*ch.
 
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(01-13-2013 09:37 PM)jml2010 Wrote:  
(01-13-2013 08:58 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Banish this a$$ clown.

Ban me for what? LOL. I have nothing against UC or their fans. I'm sure it is a great school but tubby is a fraud and you guys will learn that in the future.

Speed, championships, weather etc will soon become punch lines with UC fans when they figure out they were sold a bunch of crap. When he leaves and he will leave, I hope he doesn't leave a table full of UC recruits wondering what just happened.

jml2010;

You've said your piece repeatedly and your opinion, and potshots, are duly noted. While the board welcomes posters from all corners, you've more than worn your's out. Unless you plan on posting something else besides your opinion of OUR COACH, i'll thank you for stopping. We'll let you know if we need anything else.
 
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Yeah yeah... Tommy Tuberville sucks. We get it - from you and about 238712 Texas Tech fans who have come over to UC boards in the past month.

You told us already. Now don't tell us again.

Yes, that is a warning.
 
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Tommy Tuberville to jml

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(01-13-2013 05:04 PM)jml2010 Wrote:  
(01-13-2013 12:03 PM)BJUnklFkr Wrote:  "Lost his fire?" I doubt it. One thing "The Lubbock Invasion" (my new nickname for all the Texas Tech posters who constantly remind us how bad of a coach Tommy Tuberville is) seems to harp on quite a bit is the game where CTT smacked the headset off the GA in anger. Criticize that incident if you will (and I would actually agree), but "losing his fire" would not seem to be an issue there.

Like I said earlier, I wanted him fired during the 2011 season. Headset gate and his initial response to that embarrassing crapfest should have been cause for immediate dismissal. His crappy apology on the Monday after should have warranted a firing.

Unlike other posters on here, I won't disparage UC or Cincinnati because I have never been to Ohio. I seriously doubt that the posters on here trashing Lubbock and Tech have been to Lubbock. It reeks of aggyism( Texas A&M) stereotypes. I will say this Ole Miss and Auburn fans came to our boards and said the same things I am saying today. He left Ole Miss in a pine box and Auburn fired his lazy butt because he couldn't compete with the elite coaches in the SEC. He thought he could to Lubbock and build on what Leach built. He was a failure on all accounts and our AD told him to shape up or he would be shipped out after 2013. He lost his fire and knew he couldn't compete in the offense happy Big 12 so he ran to a conference that is dying.

For that I thank him.

I've been to Lubbock, and it's no Austin. West Texas dust town in a time warp. Not trashing Texas Tech or their fans. Was happy to see Coach Knight get his feet on the ground there.
Why bother to come here and make yourself look like an idiot?
 
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(01-13-2013 10:51 PM)UCbball21 Wrote:  Tommy Tuberville to jml

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(01-13-2013 08:43 PM)jml2010 Wrote:  
(01-13-2013 06:27 PM)CD11 Wrote:  
(01-13-2013 08:39 AM)jml2010 Wrote:  
(01-12-2013 09:43 PM)CD11 Wrote:  
(01-12-2013 11:51 AM)Bearcat_Bounce Wrote:  Actually they really do. The original story about Tuberville came out of Lubbock. Also, the lone TT fan that I've seen on NCAABS constantly is posting articles that are praising the new coach and taking pot shots at Tuberville. In a place like TT where they suck at everything other than football it is a 24/7 thing to talk about it...

? They're fairly horrendous at football too.....

We were pretty good under Spike Dykes and Mike Leach. During the Leach era(2000-2009), we had the 3rd best record in the Big 12, went to 10 straight bowl games and expanded the football stadium 3 times( capacity almost 61K).

Yeah sorry nobody's impressed by any of that. "3rd best record in the Big XII"? Uh, good job? Here's a gold star. Walk away.

LOL. I'm sure UC fans would love to have that record in a conference that matters. Maybe UC gets the ACC invite but that would mean tubby might have to play in big time TV games again. 01-ncaabbs

Fact: Tubby couldn't win in the Big 12 and ran off before getting fired to a lesser conference. If he doesn't destroy what the previous coaches at UC built, it will be a tremendous surprise.

Ah, so you're playing the "conference card" much like the SEC underlings do. Sounds about right. No wonder you're the 7th most relevant program in your state. When you're playing for "conference affiliation and stadium capacity pride," you know you're rock bottom, amiright?
 
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(01-13-2013 08:24 PM)cinbinsportsfan Wrote:  
(01-13-2013 02:21 PM)Bearhawkeye Wrote:  
(01-13-2013 01:56 PM)cinbinsportsfan Wrote:  
(01-13-2013 01:19 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  early signing period or not it doesn't matter to me. You can sign early then that coaching staff takes another job and you
are committed to a school/staff that you might not want or the new staff might not want you.

Right, then you're better off in the current system of verbal commitments, soft commitments, and conditional offers.

Why not just give athletes the option to rescind if there is a subsequent head coaching change?

And how is that any different than the current system in place now? That's my point. You have an early signing day with that contingency and it's no better than the current system.

I mentioned it already. A school with a coach that stays can get an early formal commit which includes the rules against poaching by other schools. They don't have to worry about other schools sweeping in any more on those commits. If a kid signs early, he's hands off to other schools - no phone calls, no visits, etc. Big help in focusing resources towards the late signing period. Great for the (non-poaching) school and coach who stays at his school.

For the kid, he knows he has a guaranteed spot. He also avoids the hassle of all the unwanted contact after his commitment. If there is a head coaching change, he can either keep his guaranteed spot or choose to rescind and go back to the market after meeting the new coach. Unless he plays it wrong, he doesn't have to worry about being left out in the cold after a coaching change, but also isn't locked into a coach/system he doesn't want to play for.
 
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Guys, please PM me if JML continues. I'm not going to bother reading this thread anymore, but just send the signal if need be.

After further reading, I just now noticed the trashing the conference situation. I don't think any of us need to repeatedly hear that (as if repeatedly hearing about TT isn't bad enough).
 
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(01-14-2013 03:12 AM)Bearhawkeye Wrote:  I mentioned it already. A school with a coach that stays can get an early formal commit which includes the rules against poaching by other schools. They don't have to worry about other schools sweeping in any more on those commits. If a kid signs early, he's hands off to other schools - no phone calls, no visits, etc. Big help in focusing resources towards the late signing period. Great for the (non-poaching) school and coach who stays at his school.

To this point I agree it reassures the school that that players who "claim" they are committed to the school and "close their recruitment" once they gave the verbal will actually go to the school. But many times coaches understand the level of commitment of their prospects. For example, Patrick Coyne probably wouldn't have been swayed from his commitment to Cincinnati and probably would have signed during the early signing period. In essence the UC coaches could have thought of his "verbal" as 100% solid and he would be a lock to sign his LOI during NSD in February regardless.

However for a player like Dennis Norfleet his verbal was as soft as a verbal could be and he probably wouldn't have signed during the early signing period. But coaches knew that he was waiting for the Michigan offer (which came) and they knew he would be gone if it occurred. So they likely did not allocate a ton of their resources to him anyways.

Quote:For the kid, he knows he has a guaranteed spot. He also avoids the hassle of all the unwanted contact after his commitment. If there is a head coaching change, he can either keep his guaranteed spot or choose to rescind and go back to the market after meeting the new coach. Unless he plays it wrong, he doesn't have to worry about being left out in the cold after a coaching change, but also isn't locked into a coach/system he doesn't want to play for.

This makes perfect sense and would be the biggest advantage of an early signing day; giving the recruits the assurance that their scholarship would be honored. It would be interesting to see how this would affect the coaching carousel because the "signed prospects" would probably play somewhat of a factor in what they were getting themselves into and just how they could compile their first class, which sets the tone for the team itself and future classes.
 
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(01-13-2013 09:37 PM)jml2010 Wrote:  
(01-13-2013 08:58 PM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  Banish this a$$ clown.

Ban me for what? LOL. I have nothing against UC or their fans. I'm sure it is a great school but tubby is a fraud and you guys will learn that in the future.
Speed, championships, weather etc will soon become punch lines with UC fans when they figure out they were sold a bunch of crap. When he leaves and he will leave, I hope he doesn't leave a table full of UC recruits wondering what just happened.

The man's wins and other various accomplishments say otherwise....but thanks for your OPINION. Facts show something much different.

Look man, I know you're mad he left you....we know what that feels like but give it a rest.
 
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(01-14-2013 12:19 PM)cinbinsportsfan Wrote:  
(01-14-2013 03:12 AM)Bearhawkeye Wrote:  I mentioned it already. A school with a coach that stays can get an early formal commit which includes the rules against poaching by other schools. They don't have to worry about other schools sweeping in any more on those commits. If a kid signs early, he's hands off to other schools - no phone calls, no visits, etc. Big help in focusing resources towards the late signing period. Great for the (non-poaching) school and coach who stays at his school.

To this point I agree it reassures the school that that players who "claim" they are committed to the school and "close their recruitment" once they gave the verbal will actually go to the school. But many times coaches understand the level of commitment of their prospects. For example, Patrick Coyne probably wouldn't have been swayed from his commitment to Cincinnati and probably would have signed during the early signing period. In essence the UC coaches could have thought of his "verbal" as 100% solid and he would be a lock to sign his LOI during NSD in February regardless.

Well nothing is 100%. We've had several players claim/appear to be 100% only to change their mind. Others might not have changed their mind, but required a lot of hand-holding throughout the process especially near the end. This would prevent that for those that sign early and allow for better utilization of resources.

Quote:However for a player like Dennis Norfleet his verbal was as soft as a verbal could be and he probably wouldn't have signed during the early signing period. But coaches knew that he was waiting for the Michigan offer (which came) and they knew he would be gone if it occurred. So they likely did not allocate a ton of their resources to him anyways.
I'm not claiming this solves everything. But it can give the school some insight into how committed "committed" is. If a "committed" kid doesn't want to sign early that might tell you something. It also gives leverage, for example:
1) Tell 3 RB we have one early period RB slot open - first to commit (and follow through with an early period signing) gets it. After that we'll see what happens.
2) Make your own contingent offer: e.g. this offer is good through the early signing period only. If you don't accept it and sign early, we're still potentially interested, but just like you have chosen, we are also going to be looking around and thus won't be able to accept a verbal commit (and thus hold an unofficial spot for you) until we know more closer to the late signing period.

Using your example and assuming it be accurate, maybe one of the above would have been done with Norfleet. Maybe he signs early, maybe he doesn't. At least UC knows more about where it stands. If he doesn't, UC can legitimately refuse the verbal and try to find somebody better from the high ground. Then still potentially offer him as it gets closer to the late signing period. Or not.


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Quote:For the kid, he knows he has a guaranteed spot. He also avoids the hassle of all the unwanted contact after his commitment. If there is a head coaching change, he can either keep his guaranteed spot or choose to rescind and go back to the market after meeting the new coach. Unless he plays it wrong, he doesn't have to worry about being left out in the cold after a coaching change, but also isn't locked into a coach/system he doesn't want to play for.

This makes perfect sense and would be the biggest advantage of an early signing day; giving the recruits the assurance that their scholarship would be honored. It would be interesting to see how this would affect the coaching carousel because the "signed prospects" would probably play somewhat of a factor in what they were getting themselves into and just how they could compile their first class, which sets the tone for the team itself and future classes.

Again off the top of my head, for kids it might also apply to injuries although the details could get complicated and would have to be worked out (e.g. sign early and get injured - you still keep your scholly or some variation of it, etc.).

For potential new coaches, early period signees would be a consideration (both pro and/or con) but probably wouldn't be the deciding factor for any job. As long as they know the situation going into it, I don't see a problem.
 
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More bad press. This is the first I have heard that TT quit before he was fired.

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Cincinnati: Tommy Tuberville, former Texas Tech head coach. A month ago I would have given this hire an A, but Tuberville's tenure so far has been littered with controversy, from the way he departed Lubbock to numerous committed Bearcats recruits saying the new staff cast them off. And it now seems Tuberville hightailed it out of Texas Tech to beat his boss to the punch. This will end poorly, probably with self-professed "hired gun" Tuberville jumping ship again. Grade: C
 
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(01-16-2013 01:59 PM)Cat-Man Wrote:  More bad press. This is the first I have heard that TT quit before he was fired.

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Cincinnati: Tommy Tuberville, former Texas Tech head coach. A month ago I would have given this hire an A, but Tuberville's tenure so far has been littered with controversy, from the way he departed Lubbock to numerous committed Bearcats recruits saying the new staff cast them off. And it now seems Tuberville hightailed it out of Texas Tech to beat his boss to the punch. This will end poorly, probably with self-professed "hired gun" Tuberville jumping ship again. Grade: C

That is from the idiot Stewie Mandel. He doesn't like UC. He was a Sycamore HS brat who was way tooooooo good to ever consider going to UC. How can rank any hire, no games have been played.
 
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