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RE: Slive going after Bowl ticketing
(01-09-2013 02:36 PM)L-yes Wrote:  
(01-09-2013 10:47 AM)bearcatfan Wrote:  Why did bowl games seem bigger prior to the BCS?

BCS makes anything other than the title game insignificant?
Too many bowl games?
Loss of traditional league rivalries that bowl games used to have (maybe that is what the bigger conferences are going after - restoring that by eliminating other conferences from upper tier bowls?)
The pursuit of money, while still there, was not a factor as it is now the # 1 factor. (I think I just answered my own question).

ESPN is as much to blame as anyone. They suppress turnout by beating their drum about how bad a conference is or how such and such doesn't belong on the same field. UF fans and the like buy in and stay home instead of ESPN hyping the match-up. Its very strange but by driving the conference alignment bus with their damaging rhetoric they are also damaging an extremely valuable property they own.

Agreed. It also supresses television ratings. I don't understand the concept of a television network talking down their own inventory. Wouldn't you think regardless of the matchup they would be hyping the event as the must see event of the bowl season?
 
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(01-09-2013 02:37 PM)L-yes Wrote:  
(01-09-2013 02:07 PM)#41 Wrote:  
(01-09-2013 10:52 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  The BCS makes other bowls insignificant. I think tie-ins hurt as well. Think about it... Florida got invited to the Sugar Bowl for crying out loud and their fans were bored and did not go to the game. It is a pretty sad state of affairs when fans cannot get themselves up for an opportunity to play in the Sugar Bowl, one of the most historic bowls out there.

They've played in the Sugar Bowl 9 times (3 times since 2000). It's simply not as "big" of a deal to play in the Sugar Bowl for their fans. It isn't sad, it's just the reality of a team has won national titles recently and plays in a league where EVERY week is a game they get themselves up for in conference play.

Even if that wasn't the case, can you blame Florida fans for not caring? It's a game that lacks any of the drama or excitement associated with the SEC season. Frankly, I can't blame any fan for not wanting to pay hard-earned dollars for tickets, travel and lodging to go watch an exhibition game.

Pretty dumb take really. This game was supposed to be their springboard to a national title run next season. Ooops.

I guess I missed the part where the bowl game has anything to do whatsoever with whether or not an SEC team makes a national title run.

Probably because it has absolutely nothing to do with whether or not an SEC team makes a title run.
 
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RE: Slive going after Bowl ticketing
Florida fans should be ashamed of themselves for not traveling well to New Orleans.

This is what Ole Miss fans did for the Compass Bowl,

[Image: hi-res-6909222_crop_650x440.jpg?1357423341]

More than 59,000 turned out for Saturday's BBVA Compass Bowl Game and one major issue was running out drinks at certain locations at Legion Field. Robert Yarbrough of YARTAG operates concessions at the stadium.
http://www.myfoxal.com/story/20525310/bi...gion-field
 
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Yes - I turned on the Compass Bowl partly to see how well it was attended (since Pitt was in it) and saw the sea of red. Pitt fans sent their usual 400-500 it looks like.
 
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RE: Slive going after Bowl ticketing
(01-09-2013 03:12 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  Florida fans should be ashamed of themselves for not traveling well to New Orleans.

This is what Ole Miss fans did for the Compass Bowl,

[Image: hi-res-6909222_crop_650x440.jpg?1357423341]

More than 59,000 turned out for Saturday's BBVA Compass Bowl Game and one major issue was running out drinks at certain locations at Legion Field. Robert Yarbrough of YARTAG operates concessions at the stadium.
http://www.myfoxal.com/story/20525310/bi...gion-field

Might not be fair to compare Ole Miss' bowl though since Oxford is only 3 hours from Birmingham so it's a really easy trip for Reb fans and those folks are looking for any excuse to party in the "mobile" Grove one more time a year. : )
 
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Gainesville to New Orleans is a super easy drive on I-10, 7-8 hours, it is a BCS Bowl, and it is New Orleans.
No excuses for Florida fans.
 
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(01-09-2013 03:20 PM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  
(01-09-2013 03:12 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  Florida fans should be ashamed of themselves for not traveling well to New Orleans.

This is what Ole Miss fans did for the Compass Bowl,

[Image: hi-res-6909222_crop_650x440.jpg?1357423341]

More than 59,000 turned out for Saturday's BBVA Compass Bowl Game and one major issue was running out drinks at certain locations at Legion Field. Robert Yarbrough of YARTAG operates concessions at the stadium.
http://www.myfoxal.com/story/20525310/bi...gion-field

Might not be fair to compare Ole Miss' bowl though since Oxford is only 3 hours from Birmingham so it's a really easy trip for Reb fans and those folks are looking for any excuse to party in the "mobile" Grove one more time a year. : )

I remember the year we played there when is was the Pizza Bowl they ran out of...pizza.
 
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RE: Slive going after Bowl ticketing
(01-09-2013 04:19 PM)JackieTreehorn Wrote:  
(01-09-2013 03:20 PM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  
(01-09-2013 03:12 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  Florida fans should be ashamed of themselves for not traveling well to New Orleans.

This is what Ole Miss fans did for the Compass Bowl,

[Image: hi-res-6909222_crop_650x440.jpg?1357423341]

More than 59,000 turned out for Saturday's BBVA Compass Bowl Game and one major issue was running out drinks at certain locations at Legion Field. Robert Yarbrough of YARTAG operates concessions at the stadium.
http://www.myfoxal.com/story/20525310/bi...gion-field

Might not be fair to compare Ole Miss' bowl though since Oxford is only 3 hours from Birmingham so it's a really easy trip for Reb fans and those folks are looking for any excuse to party in the "mobile" Grove one more time a year. : )

I remember the year we played there when is was the Pizza Bowl they ran out of...pizza.

They also ran out of beer. I still remember the woman saying "boy, you yankees sure love to drink."
 
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They had issues with concessions this year also.
 
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RE: Slive going after Bowl ticketing
(01-09-2013 04:32 PM)bearcatmill Wrote:  
(01-09-2013 04:19 PM)JackieTreehorn Wrote:  
(01-09-2013 03:20 PM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  
(01-09-2013 03:12 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  Florida fans should be ashamed of themselves for not traveling well to New Orleans.

This is what Ole Miss fans did for the Compass Bowl,

[Image: hi-res-6909222_crop_650x440.jpg?1357423341]

More than 59,000 turned out for Saturday's BBVA Compass Bowl Game and one major issue was running out drinks at certain locations at Legion Field. Robert Yarbrough of YARTAG operates concessions at the stadium.
http://www.myfoxal.com/story/20525310/bi...gion-field

Might not be fair to compare Ole Miss' bowl though since Oxford is only 3 hours from Birmingham so it's a really easy trip for Reb fans and those folks are looking for any excuse to party in the "mobile" Grove one more time a year. : )

I remember the year we played there when is was the Pizza Bowl they ran out of...pizza.

They also ran out of beer. I still remember the woman saying "boy, you yankees sure love to drink."

I believe I remember hearing the same story on Bourbon Street as well.
 
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(01-09-2013 03:07 PM)#41 Wrote:  
(01-09-2013 02:37 PM)L-yes Wrote:  
(01-09-2013 02:07 PM)#41 Wrote:  
(01-09-2013 10:52 AM)CliftonAve Wrote:  The BCS makes other bowls insignificant. I think tie-ins hurt as well. Think about it... Florida got invited to the Sugar Bowl for crying out loud and their fans were bored and did not go to the game. It is a pretty sad state of affairs when fans cannot get themselves up for an opportunity to play in the Sugar Bowl, one of the most historic bowls out there.

They've played in the Sugar Bowl 9 times (3 times since 2000). It's simply not as "big" of a deal to play in the Sugar Bowl for their fans. It isn't sad, it's just the reality of a team has won national titles recently and plays in a league where EVERY week is a game they get themselves up for in conference play.

Even if that wasn't the case, can you blame Florida fans for not caring? It's a game that lacks any of the drama or excitement associated with the SEC season. Frankly, I can't blame any fan for not wanting to pay hard-earned dollars for tickets, travel and lodging to go watch an exhibition game.

Pretty dumb take really. This game was supposed to be their springboard to a national title run next season. Ooops.

I guess I missed the part where the bowl game has anything to do whatsoever with whether or not an SEC team makes a national title run.

Probably because it has absolutely nothing to do with whether or not an SEC team makes a title run.

this is an accurate assessment by #41....i have a friend who is a die hard bama fan...the year they played and lost to Utah in the bcs bowl, the team and fans just didn't give a crap because it wasn't a national title game. It is what it is. Obviously there are exceptions as some fans and players do care so this doesn't apply to EVERY bama fan but it is accurate in that some of the fans just don't get up for a non national title bcs bowl game. i can see why...once you win a few national titles, a game like the sugar bowl non national title version is just not "all that".

It's like in hoops...teams that go every year don't get too excited about a first round win...they want to make a run. VS a small low major program who has never been...just GETTING to the big dance is the big deal, win or lose.
 
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There is also an enormous expense. In order to follow your team to the Sugar bowl. First you need tickets. This will run a family of four close to 500 dollars. There is a cost to travel Drive will equal around 150 and to fly 800. Hotel in a large city is 100 per night. Food and other incidentals will run close to 600 dollars. This is an expensive two evenings for your average family during the middle of the week. Even if you are a die hard fan, the bloom is off the rose the second go-around and you are less inclined. In a nutshell, it is outrageously expensive to go to one of these games.
 
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(01-09-2013 05:10 PM)socTHEgreat Wrote:  
(01-09-2013 04:32 PM)bearcatmill Wrote:  
(01-09-2013 04:19 PM)JackieTreehorn Wrote:  
(01-09-2013 03:20 PM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  
(01-09-2013 03:12 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  Florida fans should be ashamed of themselves for not traveling well to New Orleans.

This is what Ole Miss fans did for the Compass Bowl,

[Image: hi-res-6909222_crop_650x440.jpg?1357423341]

More than 59,000 turned out for Saturday's BBVA Compass Bowl Game and one major issue was running out drinks at certain locations at Legion Field. Robert Yarbrough of YARTAG operates concessions at the stadium.
http://www.myfoxal.com/story/20525310/bi...gion-field

Might not be fair to compare Ole Miss' bowl though since Oxford is only 3 hours from Birmingham so it's a really easy trip for Reb fans and those folks are looking for any excuse to party in the "mobile" Grove one more time a year. : )

I remember the year we played there when is was the Pizza Bowl they ran out of...pizza.

They also ran out of beer. I still remember the woman saying "boy, you yankees sure love to drink."

I believe I remember hearing the same story on Bourbon Street as well.

At a restaurant on Bourbon Street we were asked if anyone was left in Cincinnati since there were so many Bearcat fans in NOLA.

When they ran out of Papajohns pizza at the Papajohns bowl, we got hotdogs since that was about the only other option. They were about the grossest things I've ever eaten. The regular hotdog came coated in onions and bbq sauce. Yuck!
 
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(01-09-2013 11:37 AM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  
(01-09-2013 11:28 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  My assumption is that Slive and SEC schools are tired of the practice of Bowls giving schools the worse
tickets to sell.

That is a legit complaint and the reason many (including some who would prefer to buy from their university to hep with covering the ticket allotment) purchase on a secondary market. They know where their seats are going to be when they buy and in the case of Florida since the national championship game was also in Miami they likely were able to buy much better seats at a huge discount.

Buying from a secondary market, they also don't get pushed into crappy seats by monied alums buying 16 good seats from the schools' allotment. Mind you I don't mind monied alums getting good seats but if you have 4 season tickets at Nippert you should get only 4 of the best seats from the school's allotment. quid pro quo.

We buy from UC as we see it as a donation but I totally get why many choose to buy from a secondary market.

I don't think moneyed alums buying seats are having any real impact on the bowl seat selection-satisfaction process. For this year's Belk Bowl, there was a limit to how many premium seats one could buy. I don't recall being able to buy 16 club seats if I had wanted to. We have eight regular season Nippert seats (4 outside, 4 in the press box) and we only bought 6 club seats for the bowl game.

The biggest source of dissatisfaction is that buying allocated, must-be-sold seats through the university is a guarantee of getting less attractive seating positions. The bowls often misrepresent the quality and/or location of the seats offered. The Belk bowl quoted a club seat section number to UC's ticket people that was on about the 15-20 yard line, directly under UC's suite boxes. What I received was at the other end of the field from the box on about the 10 yard line -- lying sacks of Belk manure!

In fact, even "premium" bowl seats sold through the participating teams don't seem to be much better than the "visitors'" section of the typical road games we attend. The exception being VT @ FedEx Field where the "dream seats" are actually dreamy.

My wife and I have single-digit priority point ranking for choosing seats and our seats at the Orange, Sugar, and Belk bowls were all pretty awful compared to the best available through the bowl-organizer's ticket channels.

I would very much like to see a change in this behavior from the bowl committees, but I don't hold out much hope.
 
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(01-10-2013 08:32 AM)UCEE73 Wrote:  
(01-09-2013 11:37 AM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  
(01-09-2013 11:28 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  My assumption is that Slive and SEC schools are tired of the practice of Bowls giving schools the worse
tickets to sell.

That is a legit complaint and the reason many (including some who would prefer to buy from their university to hep with covering the ticket allotment) purchase on a secondary market. They know where their seats are going to be when they buy and in the case of Florida since the national championship game was also in Miami they likely were able to buy much better seats at a huge discount.

Buying from a secondary market, they also don't get pushed into crappy seats by monied alums buying 16 good seats from the schools' allotment. Mind you I don't mind monied alums getting good seats but if you have 4 season tickets at Nippert you should get only 4 of the best seats from the school's allotment. quid pro quo.

We buy from UC as we see it as a donation but I totally get why many choose to buy from a secondary market.

I don't think moneyed alums buying seats are having any real impact on the bowl seat selection-satisfaction process. For this year's Belk Bowl, there was a limit to how many premium seats one could buy. I don't recall being able to buy 16 club seats if I had wanted to. We have eight regular season Nippert seats (4 outside, 4 in the press box) and we only bought 6 club seats for the bowl game.

The biggest source of dissatisfaction is that buying allocated, must-be-sold seats through the university is a guarantee of getting less attractive seating positions. The bowls often misrepresent the quality and/or location of the seats offered. The Belk bowl quoted a club seat section number to UC's ticket people that was on about the 15-20 yard line, directly under UC's suite boxes. What I received was at the other end of the field from the box on about the 10 yard line -- lying sacks of Belk manure!

In fact, even "premium" bowl seats sold through the participating teams don't seem to be much better than the "visitors'" section of the typical road games we attend. The exception being VT @ FedEx Field where the "dream seats" are actually dreamy.

My wife and I have single-digit priority point ranking for choosing seats and our seats at the Orange, Sugar, and Belk bowls were all pretty awful compared to the best available through the bowl-organizer's ticket channels.

I would very much like to see a change in this behavior from the bowl committees, but I don't hold out much hope.

I don't see purchasing 6 tickets when you have 8 at Nippert as the problem. You are entitled to order the number you have at Nippert. (not sure what single digit priority means as all UCats carry a priority number between 1-5000+ so I'll assume by single digit you mean your priority number is less than 10, if so you would get good seats no matter what due to your low UCats number).

UC in the past has allowed high-priority point UCats to purchase as many as they wanted for one UCats membership. Many of these folks/businesses bought up huge quantities of tickets for the Sugar and Orange Bowls in particular. (We had friends who are ranked behind us in UCats points, sitting in way better seats because they paid the business owner she worked for money to add seats to the businesses order since there was no limit to the number of tickets that could be purchased). This pushes everyone further down the list into worse and worse tickets.

The bowl tickets via the university are already less than stellar as you stated, however pushing UCats into even worse seats in the allotment by allowing high-priority UCats to purchase as many as they want, amplifies the poor seating problem.

UCats did attempt to remedy this by only allowing high-priority UCats to buy 16 seats based on priority ranking for more recent bowls and any tickets over 16 they wanted were put in non-priority seating. Obviously Ucats got complaints about seat location or they wouldn't have implemented this policy. But even at 16 tickets it pushes people into worse seats. Ticket allotment should be quid pro quo. 8 in Nippert = up to 8 in Bowl venue, etc.
 
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(01-10-2013 08:52 AM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  The bowl tickets via the university are already less than stellar as you stated, however pushing UCats into even worse seats in the allotment by allowing high-priority UCats to purchase as many as they want, amplifies the poor seating problem.

UCats did attempt to remedy this by only allowing high-priority UCats to buy 16 seats based on priority ranking for more recent bowls and any tickets over 16 they wanted were put in non-priority seating. Obviously Ucats got complaints about seat location or they wouldn't have implemented this policy. But even at 16 tickets it pushes people into worse seats. Ticket allotment should be quid pro quo. 8 in Nippert = up to 8 in Bowl venue, etc.

OK, now I understand better what you are saying and I have to agree.

The large blocks of lower-arena seats allocated to car dealers and other businesses in 5th/3rd before the re-farming of the seating policies contributed to all sorts of angst and resentment from Geo. Smith members that were stuck at high altitude for many years.

So, now, I get it 04-cheers
 
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