(01-08-2013 02:51 PM)CommuterBob Wrote:  

(01-07-2013 10:49 AM)CommuterBob Wrote:  I think they are going in this direction because they want the semifinals on the same day and in primetime. Having one game start at 5 and the other at 8 on either Dec. 31 or Jan. 1 (or Jan. 2 if Jan. 1 is a Sunday) makes sure that not only both games are played on the same day for TV purposes, but that neither victor has a distinct advantage of an extra day of rest between the semifinal and the NCG. So two out of three years, the semifinals will be on NYE, and the third year they will be on NYD, but they will always be on the same day. If the Rose and Sugar (which are locked into their time slots on Jan. 1) were to be split from each other in terms of hosting, then the semifinals would be split as well.

I would also guess that of Dec. 31 were a Sunday that the semifinals would be played on Dec. 30 instead, unless the Rose/Sugar pairing were to be for that year. And guess what? The next time the Rose/Sugar would host, Dec. 31 would be a Sunday, so we won't know. With this rotation, the latest the NCG would be would be Jan. 13.

2014/2015 - Rose/Sugar Jan. 1 Thursday - NCG Jan. 12 Monday
2015/2016 - Orange/Fiesta Dec. 31 Thursday - NCG Jan. 11 Monday
2016/2017 - Cotton/Chik-fil-A Dec. 31 Saturday - NCG Jan. 9 - Monday
2017/2018 - Rose/Sugar Jan. 1 Monday - NCG Jan. 8 Monday (Dec. 31 games moved to Dec. 30)
2018/2019 - Orange/Fiesta Dec. 31 Monday - NCG Jan. 7 Monday
2019/2020 - Cotton/Chik-fil-A Dec. 31 Tuesday - NCG Jan. 13 Monday
2020/2021 - Rose/Sugar Jan. 1 Friday - NCG Jan. 11 Monday
2021/2022 - Orange/Fiesta Dec. 31 Friday - NCG Jan. 10 Monday
2022/2023 - Cotton/Chik-fil-A Dec. 31 Saturday - NCG Jan. 9 Monday
2023/2024 - Rose/Sugar Jan. 1 Monday - NCG Jan. 8 Monday (Dec. 31 games moved to Dec. 30)
2024/2025 - Orange/Fiesta Dec. 31 Tuesday - NCG Jan. 13 Monday
2025/2026 - Cotton/Chik-fil-A Dec. 31 Wednesday - NCG Jan. 12 Monday

Looks like I'm a good guesser.

https://twitter.com/BryanDFischer/status...to/1/large

There is already an alteration from what we learned earlier in that report. Looks like New Year Day bowls will be on January 2nd, not December 31st if January 1st is a Sunday.

(01-08-2013 03:38 PM)ohio1317 Wrote:  

(01-08-2013 02:51 PM)CommuterBob Wrote:  

(01-07-2013 10:49 AM)CommuterBob Wrote:  I think they are going in this direction because they want the semifinals on the same day and in primetime. Having one game start at 5 and the other at 8 on either Dec. 31 or Jan. 1 (or Jan. 2 if Jan. 1 is a Sunday) makes sure that not only both games are played on the same day for TV purposes, but that neither victor has a distinct advantage of an extra day of rest between the semifinal and the NCG. So two out of three years, the semifinals will be on NYE, and the third year they will be on NYD, but they will always be on the same day. If the Rose and Sugar (which are locked into their time slots on Jan. 1) were to be split from each other in terms of hosting, then the semifinals would be split as well.

I would also guess that of Dec. 31 were a Sunday that the semifinals would be played on Dec. 30 instead, unless the Rose/Sugar pairing were to be for that year. And guess what? The next time the Rose/Sugar would host, Dec. 31 would be a Sunday, so we won't know. With this rotation, the latest the NCG would be would be Jan. 13.

2014/2015 - Rose/Sugar Jan. 1 Thursday - NCG Jan. 12 Monday
2015/2016 - Orange/Fiesta Dec. 31 Thursday - NCG Jan. 11 Monday
2016/2017 - Cotton/Chik-fil-A Dec. 31 Saturday - NCG Jan. 9 - Monday
2017/2018 - Rose/Sugar Jan. 1 Monday - NCG Jan. 8 Monday (Dec. 31 games moved to Dec. 30)
2018/2019 - Orange/Fiesta Dec. 31 Monday - NCG Jan. 7 Monday
2019/2020 - Cotton/Chik-fil-A Dec. 31 Tuesday - NCG Jan. 13 Monday
2020/2021 - Rose/Sugar Jan. 1 Friday - NCG Jan. 11 Monday
2021/2022 - Orange/Fiesta Dec. 31 Friday - NCG Jan. 10 Monday
2022/2023 - Cotton/Chik-fil-A Dec. 31 Saturday - NCG Jan. 9 Monday
2023/2024 - Rose/Sugar Jan. 1 Monday - NCG Jan. 8 Monday (Dec. 31 games moved to Dec. 30)
2024/2025 - Orange/Fiesta Dec. 31 Tuesday - NCG Jan. 13 Monday
2025/2026 - Cotton/Chik-fil-A Dec. 31 Wednesday - NCG Jan. 12 Monday

Looks like I'm a good guesser.

https://twitter.com/BryanDFischer/status...to/1/large

There is already an alteration from what we learned earlier in that report. Looks like New Year Day bowls will be on January 2nd, not December 31st if January 1st is a Sunday.

Right. Click on the link and it will show that. The list I have is only for the semifinals. The two times Jan. 1 is a Sunday in the 12-year cycle (Jan. 1, 2017 and Jan. 1, 2023), the two host bowls (Cotton/Chik-fil-A) will be hosting semifinals on Dec. 31 and the NYD games (Rose/Sugar) would be on Jan. 2, but would not be semifinals.

my hunch is that the Orange would be paired with the Cotton, and Fiesta with Chick-fil-a. Why? To have every year one of the current 4 BCS bowls as a semifinal....

(01-08-2013 04:22 PM)stever20 Wrote:  my hunch is that the Orange would be paired with the Cotton, and Fiesta with Chick-fil-a. Why? To have every year one of the current 4 BCS bowls as a semifinal....

That's a good suggestion. I like it.

(01-08-2013 04:22 PM)stever20 Wrote:  my hunch is that the Orange would be paired with the Cotton, and Fiesta with Chick-fil-a. Why? To have every year one of the current 4 BCS bowls as a semifinal....

This makes sense. These pairings also work geographically, as you'd have one semifinal in the east and one semifinal in the west each year.

will there be 3 on ny eve and 3 on ny day?

(01-09-2013 10:14 AM)TIGER-PAUL Wrote:  will there be 3 on ny eve and 3 on ny day?

Yes. If one is a Sunday, those 3 games move back/up a day.

Both the semi-final bowls will be the same day.

I still don't see how they expect fans to show up at the semi's than go to a national title game a week later halfway across the country. Not to mention travel to a conference champ game + maybe the opening kickoff game, which really should go away. I would ban all off site games. Their is a cap on the $ out there and you will take away from one thing, i.e. conference champ games, if you keep adding layers of playoffs. I like the double header concept and make it the week after conference champ games. 4 teams, 2 games in Dallas 2nd week-end of december, have first game start a 1 and second at 8. Winners goes to rotated title game in a bowl, ditto losers go to rotated bowl game. Thus, 4 fans bases can catch two games in the same location + plenty of time to plan for title game. With conference champ games, their is no need to expand the playoffs past 4, don't win your conference, no need to be in the final four. I think it would render the conference champ games meaningless if say UGA this year would have got an invite to the final four, why would they need to play alabama again? The value of the conference champ game goes way down + why would alabama want to play uga again?

Bluesox makes an excellent point. To be a high end college football program, it's going to take a fan base of 40,000 independently wealthy people with nothing better to do than travel around watching their team play at all these venues.

The NCG will be a very corporate event, much like the Super Bowl, where only about 10K tickets are really even available to the public. There really won't be a need to sell a lot of tickets to any one fanbase or have a fanbase travel all that much. Just like the Final Four, there will be a large number of people who go to watch the game just because it's the NCG.

(01-09-2013 10:28 AM)bluesox Wrote:  With conference champ games, their is no need to expand the playoffs past 4, don't win your conference, no need to be in the final four. I think it would render the conference champ games meaningless if say UGA this year would have got an invite to the final four, why would they need to play alabama again? The value of the conference champ game goes way down + why would alabama want to play uga again?

Saban was talking about this yesterday, about why they would want to play an SEC title game and then two playoff games.

If the playoff money is huge, and it will be, then you could see how a conference would take a serious look at doing away with its conference title game. The SEC, with the reputation they have now, might be better off not having a title game and just declaring an SEC East champion and SEC West champion. In many years (including this year, if there had been a four-team playoff), they could have placed both of their division winners in the playoff.

(01-09-2013 12:01 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(01-09-2013 10:28 AM)bluesox Wrote:  With conference champ games, their is no need to expand the playoffs past 4, don't win your conference, no need to be in the final four. I think it would render the conference champ games meaningless if say UGA this year would have got an invite to the final four, why would they need to play alabama again? The value of the conference champ game goes way down + why would alabama want to play uga again?

Saban was talking about this yesterday, about why they would want to play an SEC title game and then two playoff games.

If the playoff money is huge, and it will be, then you could see how a conference would take a serious look at doing away with its conference title game. The SEC, with the reputation they have now, might be better off not having a title game and just declaring an SEC East champion and SEC West champion. In many years (including this year, if there had been a four-team playoff), they could have placed both of their division winners in the playoff.

SEC still would have had 2 teams in the playoff this year.... Not a chance the SEC will get rid of the CCG. worth way too much money...

Something has to give, the whole system is messed up. I don't think you can have conference champ games and a large playoff. The problem for conferences is they keep the $ in house with the champ games, so if they drop those, they lose $ from that + there is no need to have a large conference without a champ game. I guess they could just have division champs than send the division winner to the playoff. Maybe that is the future, conferences get to 16 or more and send their division winners to an 8-16 team playoff without conf champ games. In that case, you could seed the teams. Yet, there is only so much $ and the sec taking off the table their conference champ game is a huge loss for them. I guess if they get two teams in an 8 team playoff its probably a draw.

(01-09-2013 10:28 AM)bluesox Wrote:  With conference champ games, their is no need to expand the playoffs past 4, don't win your conference, no need to be in the final four. I think it would render the conference champ games meaningless if say UGA this year would have got an invite to the final four, why would they need to play alabama again? The value of the conference champ game goes way down + why would alabama want to play uga again?

I would agree with this if you were talking about a 16 school playoffs. At 8 schools, there would likely be 5 autobid conferences plus one slot reserved for non-autobid conferences, leaving only two slots for conference runners-up.

2012: Alabama (SEC), Wisconsin (B1G), KSU (B12), Stanford (P12), FSU (ACC), NIU (G5 conferences), ND (At-Large), Florida (At-Large), Oregon (Out of Luck).

8 teams and you would need some stipulation in place for a minimum ranked CC. ACC is not automatically getting a team in there over the SEC if the Champ ends up with 5 losses. I don't think anyone is guaranteed anything in that system. The SEC and even B1G would never go for it because that means they are on equal terms with the other conferences.

(01-09-2013 12:50 PM)RUScarlets Wrote:  8 teams and you would need some stipulation in place for a minimum ranked CC. ACC is not automatically getting a team in there over the SEC if the Champ ends up with 5 losses. I don't think anyone is guaranteed anything in that system. The SEC and even B1G would never go for it because that means they are on equal terms with the other conferences.

As long as the polls favor the more prominent conferences, and those conferences hold jurisdiction over the selection committee, do you really think they'd be on equal footing with every conference? I don't...

(01-09-2013 12:13 PM)bluesox Wrote:  Something has to give, the whole system is messed up. I don't think you can have conference champ games and a large playoff. The problem for conferences is they keep the $ in house with the champ games, so if they drop those, they lose $ from that + there is no need to have a large conference without a champ game. I guess they could just have division champs than send the division winner to the playoff. Maybe that is the future, conferences get to 16 or more and send their division winners to an 8-16 team playoff without conf champ games. In that case, you could seed the teams. Yet, there is only so much $ and the sec taking off the table their conference champ game is a huge loss for them. I guess if they get two teams in an 8 team playoff its probably a draw.

There's just no way the SEC drops their championship game any more than any of the conferences would drop their conference basketball tournaments due to the size of the NCAA Tournament. That's money that's (1) guaranteed annually whether their champ is awesome or crappy and (2) not shared with anyone else. The prospect of additional merit-based spots has never, ever been a selling point to power conferences in lieu of guaranteed money.

The compromise that I could see is a "plus 3", where the top 4 schools are picked after the bowls are played. That allows for the power conferences to continue to control the top bowls (and even enhance their value), effectively give those power conferences auto-bids without actually calling them auto-bids, and still throw a bone to the Gang of Five with a bowl spot without having to giving them a true playoff spot to keep the politicians and antitrust lawyers off their tails. If you do an elimination playoff, the problem that you run into is that you basically have to be all or nothing with conference auto-bids, and the power conferences would rather choose "nothing" if they have to start giving the Gang of Five conferences equal status. The "plus 3" eliminates that issue since the "first round" isn't composed of elimination games, but rather a pool of top teams playing each other in bowls that have an impact on the ultimate top 4.

(01-09-2013 12:08 PM)stever20 Wrote:  

(01-09-2013 12:01 PM)Wedge Wrote:  

(01-09-2013 10:28 AM)bluesox Wrote:  With conference champ games, their is no need to expand the playoffs past 4, don't win your conference, no need to be in the final four. I think it would render the conference champ games meaningless if say UGA this year would have got an invite to the final four, why would they need to play alabama again? The value of the conference champ game goes way down + why would alabama want to play uga again?

Saban was talking about this yesterday, about why they would want to play an SEC title game and then two playoff games.

If the playoff money is huge, and it will be, then you could see how a conference would take a serious look at doing away with its conference title game. The SEC, with the reputation they have now, might be better off not having a title game and just declaring an SEC East champion and SEC West champion. In many years (including this year, if there had been a four-team playoff), they could have placed both of their division winners in the playoff.

SEC still would have had 2 teams in the playoff this year.... Not a chance the SEC will get rid of the CCG. worth way too much money...

Maybe this year, and only because Florida was also 11-1 -- but Florida's chances of being considered for a playoff spot would be no worse if there was no conference title game (because either way, as a non-division winner they're not playing that game).

If there were no one-loss teams other than the division winners, though, then the SEC title game loser isn't going to be in the playoff, and the conference title game would cost them a second team in the playoff. You could argue that the SEC has so much dam money as it is that they should choose the opportunity to place a second team in the 4-team playoff over the conference title game money.

They could make that money back anyway, because their TV value as the premier college football franchise would greatly increase if they were regularly placing two teams in the playoff. Long-term gain from multiple playoff teams > short-term easy money from conference title game.