(01-14-2013 04:08 PM)FriarTuck420 Wrote:  

(01-14-2013 04:03 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(01-14-2013 03:54 PM)FriarTuck420 Wrote:  Lot of Print that has UCONN and Cin going MWC in FB only and staying with the C7 for all other sports.

I know this topic was brought up as a possibility, now seems like a probability unless ACC comes calling.

That was debunked minutes after it went out on the interwebs

ESPN insider has it and the update from 9:00 am this morning says "Cincinnati and Connecticut could see that as a favorable alternative for their football programs while maintaining a high standard for their basketball programs."

Once again ESPN running with outdated debunked rumors. All of this played out Friday and Saturday.

(01-14-2013 04:27 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(01-14-2013 04:08 PM)FriarTuck420 Wrote:  

(01-14-2013 04:03 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(01-14-2013 03:54 PM)FriarTuck420 Wrote:  Lot of Print that has UCONN and Cin going MWC in FB only and staying with the C7 for all other sports.

I know this topic was brought up as a possibility, now seems like a probability unless ACC comes calling.

That was debunked minutes after it went out on the interwebs

ESPN insider has it and the update from 9:00 am this morning says "Cincinnati and Connecticut could see that as a favorable alternative for their football programs while maintaining a high standard for their basketball programs."

Once again ESPN running with outdated debunked rumors. All of this played out Friday and Saturday.

UConn's AD shot it down on twitter at Internet speed. Blaudschun said it came from a higher level than the AD. After that Blaudschun downgraded it from something that seemed 50/50 to happen to a possibility that was discussed at top levels.

(01-14-2013 04:08 PM)FriarTuck420 Wrote:  

(01-14-2013 04:03 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(01-14-2013 03:54 PM)FriarTuck420 Wrote:  Lot of Print that has UCONN and Cin going MWC in FB only and staying with the C7 for all other sports.

I know this topic was brought up as a possibility, now seems like a probability unless ACC comes calling.

That was debunked minutes after it went out on the interwebs

ESPN insider has it and the update from 9:00 am this morning says "Cincinnati and Connecticut could see that as a favorable alternative for their football programs while maintaining a high standard for their basketball programs."

If Cincinnati and UConn placed their basketball in the C7 and football in the MAC that would give the MAC 4 BCS appearances, more than what the MWC has produced.

More realistically, it could be just UConn invited to the C7 because of their historical importance to East Coast basketball while becoming that 12th FB only member to balance out Navy in the East.

I'm not sure what the C7 has to gain by adding UC and vice versa.

(01-14-2013 07:15 PM)Louis Kitton Wrote:  

(01-14-2013 04:08 PM)FriarTuck420 Wrote:  

(01-14-2013 04:03 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(01-14-2013 03:54 PM)FriarTuck420 Wrote:  Lot of Print that has UCONN and Cin going MWC in FB only and staying with the C7 for all other sports.

I know this topic was brought up as a possibility, now seems like a probability unless ACC comes calling.

That was debunked minutes after it went out on the interwebs

ESPN insider has it and the update from 9:00 am this morning says "Cincinnati and Connecticut could see that as a favorable alternative for their football programs while maintaining a high standard for their basketball programs."

If Cincinnati and UConn placed their basketball in the C7 and football in the MAC that would give the MAC 4 BCS appearances, more than what the MWC has produced.

More realistically, it could be just UConn invited to the C7 because of their historical importance to East Coast basketball while becoming that 12th FB only member to balance out Navy in the East.

I'm not sure what the C7 has to gain by adding UC and vice versa.

Completely agree with the bottom portion. UConn I would think about but, Cincy brings nothing but headache. I'd rather invite Xavier and keep the football hassle. Its tough to really get in the business w/ Football schools again unless they really bring something to the table.

(01-15-2013 09:31 AM)BigmanU Wrote:  

(01-14-2013 07:15 PM)Louis Kitton Wrote:  

(01-14-2013 04:08 PM)FriarTuck420 Wrote:  

(01-14-2013 04:03 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(01-14-2013 03:54 PM)FriarTuck420 Wrote:  Lot of Print that has UCONN and Cin going MWC in FB only and staying with the C7 for all other sports.

I know this topic was brought up as a possibility, now seems like a probability unless ACC comes calling.

That was debunked minutes after it went out on the interwebs

ESPN insider has it and the update from 9:00 am this morning says "Cincinnati and Connecticut could see that as a favorable alternative for their football programs while maintaining a high standard for their basketball programs."

If Cincinnati and UConn placed their basketball in the C7 and football in the MAC that would give the MAC 4 BCS appearances, more than what the MWC has produced.

More realistically, it could be just UConn invited to the C7 because of their historical importance to East Coast basketball while becoming that 12th FB only member to balance out Navy in the East.

I'm not sure what the C7 has to gain by adding UC and vice versa.

Completely agree with the bottom portion. UConn I would think about but, Cincy brings nothing but headache. I'd rather invite Xavier and keep the football hassle. Its tough to really get in the business w/ Football schools again unless they really bring something to the table.

Every football school the C7 invites is a potential future departure. This scenario is exactly what the C7 is fleeing. Maybe the C7 does this for UConn, a founding member of the BE and part of the BE basketball-only glory days. If they have to replace UConn in the future, that's one school. I can't see them doing it for more than that.

I don't see UConn willing to put their fb in a decent place where they wouldn't be required to be all sports. The fb schools won't allow UConn to play fb only. PERIOD. There's no ifs/ands/ors/buts about that. CUSA- no way. MAC- possible, but it is a downgrade, something UConn can not afford to do. The MAC had everything just about go right for them this year, yet their champion barely makes top 16 with 1 loss. A 1 loss MWC team this year would have been up near 10. Same for BE.

Cincinnati a head-ache to Georgetown? Why?

(01-15-2013 10:12 AM)Bearcat T Wrote:  Cincinnati a head-ache to Georgetown? Why?

Goeorgetown, Do you mean all 7 departing Basketball schools ??

Football school
Not needed for the Cincy market (Xavier will cover this)
Not in original BE & truly not a basketball power (Good but doesn't move the needle)

= Headache & not worth the hassle.

(01-14-2013 06:05 AM)NJRedMan Wrote:  UConn and Providence are geographic rivals who would want to play twice one more time. UConn and Temple are sticking together no need to force that series. Villanova playing Temple twice makes sense in every regard. TV likes it, fans want it, geographic sense, and not doing it screws up all the other rivalry games.

How often have UConn and Providence played twice since the Big East expanded to 16 teams? Furthermore, if they will be separating, next year should be used to focus on future rivalries, not ancient history. As for Villanova and Temple, they have not played each other twice per year in something like two decades, and won't be doing so after the split. No point in doing it for one year. These teams should build for the future. No more living in the '90s.

(01-15-2013 11:10 AM)Lolly Popp Wrote:  

(01-14-2013 06:05 AM)NJRedMan Wrote:  UConn and Providence are geographic rivals who would want to play twice one more time. UConn and Temple are sticking together no need to force that series. Villanova playing Temple twice makes sense in every regard. TV likes it, fans want it, geographic sense, and not doing it screws up all the other rivalry games.

How often have UConn and Providence played twice since the Big East expanded to 16 teams? Furthermore, if they will be separating, next year should be used to focus on future rivalries, not ancient history. As for Villanova and Temple, they have not played each other twice per year in something like two decades, and won't be doing so after the split. No point in doing it for one year. These teams should build for the future. No more living in the '90s.

Then how is UConn and Nova playing twice "playing to the future"?

Temple and Nova only played once a year because they were not in the same conference. If they were they certainly would have played more often.

What a joke Cincinnati! is a Historical Basketball Power Top 25 All Time program...Beat Georgetown about three times last year too on the way to another Sweet Sixteen. Only one of Six schools to have Top 25 in both Sports last year and even less of a number did what UC has done last two years top 25 in both sports two years in a row! Cincy has 45k students and over 1 billion endowment, top 25 campuses in the world by Forbes...and dominated the Cincy market XU is a small private school about 175k endowment with just over 6k students just slightly larger than some of the larger public high schools in Cincy. They have a good base of about 10k fans and that is the limit of their interest in Cincy. It would be a huge boon to actually have both of these teams in the same conference for the new group.

(01-15-2013 03:42 PM)Bearcat T Wrote:  What a joke Cincinnati! is a Historical Basketball Power Top 25 All Time program...Beat Georgetown about three times last year too on the way to another Sweet Sixteen. Only one of Six schools to have Top 25 in both Sports last year and even less of a number did what UC has done last two years top 25 in both sports two years in a row! Cincy has 45k students and over 1 billion endowment, top 25 campuses in the world by Forbes...and dominated the Cincy market XU is a small private school about 175k endowment with just over 6k students just slightly larger than some of the larger public high schools in Cincy. They have a good base of about 10k fans and that is the limit of their interest in Cincy. It would be a huge boon to actually have both of these teams in the same conference for the new group.

I understand that UC is a large public school and has a huge fan base, but why does Xavier continue to average 10k+ in attendance when UC is lucky to draw 8k? I am curious about your opinion on this. I don't live in Cincinnati and that wasn't the case when I went to X.

(01-15-2013 03:42 PM)Bearcat T Wrote:  What a joke Cincinnati! is a Historical Basketball Power Top 25 All Time program...Beat Georgetown about three times last year too on the way to another Sweet Sixteen. Only one of Six schools to have Top 25 in both Sports last year and even less of a number did what UC has done last two years top 25 in both sports two years in a row! Cincy has 45k students and over 1 billion endowment, top 25 campuses in the world by Forbes...and dominated the Cincy market XU is a small private school about 175k endowment with just over 6k students just slightly larger than some of the larger public high schools in Cincy. They have a good base of about 10k fans and that is the limit of their interest in Cincy. It would be a huge boon to actually have both of these teams in the same conference for the new group.

So you went to Sweet sixteen last year 2011-2012 season

Here is what you've done in the last ten years.

02-03 1st Round
03-04 2nd Round
04-05 2nd Round
05-06 Goose eggs
06-07 Goose eggs
07-08 Goose eggs
08-09 Goose eggs
09-10 Goose eggs
10-11 2nd Round
11-12 Sweet Sixteen

Not exactly world beaters

Lets take a look at Xavier the last 10 years. Nine NCAA appearances including 1 Elite 8 & 4 Sweet 16 appearnces. Like I said Cincy is not worth the trouble. Period.

(01-15-2013 04:05 PM)BigmanU Wrote:  

(01-15-2013 03:42 PM)Bearcat T Wrote:  What a joke Cincinnati! is a Historical Basketball Power Top 25 All Time program...Beat Georgetown about three times last year too on the way to another Sweet Sixteen. Only one of Six schools to have Top 25 in both Sports last year and even less of a number did what UC has done last two years top 25 in both sports two years in a row! Cincy has 45k students and over 1 billion endowment, top 25 campuses in the world by Forbes...and dominated the Cincy market XU is a small private school about 175k endowment with just over 6k students just slightly larger than some of the larger public high schools in Cincy. They have a good base of about 10k fans and that is the limit of their interest in Cincy. It would be a huge boon to actually have both of these teams in the same conference for the new group.

So you went to Sweet sixteen last year 2011-2012 season

Here is what you've done in the last ten years.

02-03 1st Round
03-04 2nd Round
04-05 2nd Round
05-06 Goose eggs
06-07 Goose eggs
07-08 Goose eggs
08-09 Goose eggs
09-10 Goose eggs
10-11 2nd Round
11-12 Sweet Sixteen

Not exactly world beaters

Lets take a look at Xavier the last 10 years. Nine NCAA appearances including 1 Elite 8 & 4 Sweet 16 appearnces. Like I said Cincy is not worth the trouble. Period.

Actually...2 Elite 8's (2004 & 2008) 5 Sweet 16 (12, 10, 09, 08, 04)

(01-15-2013 04:19 PM)Xumuskie1994 Wrote:  

(01-15-2013 04:05 PM)BigmanU Wrote:  

(01-15-2013 03:42 PM)Bearcat T Wrote:  What a joke Cincinnati! is a Historical Basketball Power Top 25 All Time program...Beat Georgetown about three times last year too on the way to another Sweet Sixteen. Only one of Six schools to have Top 25 in both Sports last year and even less of a number did what UC has done last two years top 25 in both sports two years in a row! Cincy has 45k students and over 1 billion endowment, top 25 campuses in the world by Forbes...and dominated the Cincy market XU is a small private school about 175k endowment with just over 6k students just slightly larger than some of the larger public high schools in Cincy. They have a good base of about 10k fans and that is the limit of their interest in Cincy. It would be a huge boon to actually have both of these teams in the same conference for the new group.

So you went to Sweet sixteen last year 2011-2012 season

Here is what you've done in the last ten years.

02-03 1st Round
03-04 2nd Round
04-05 2nd Round
05-06 Goose eggs
06-07 Goose eggs
07-08 Goose eggs
08-09 Goose eggs
09-10 Goose eggs
10-11 2nd Round
11-12 Sweet Sixteen

Not exactly world beaters

Lets take a look at Xavier the last 10 years. Nine NCAA appearances including 1 Elite 8 & 4 Sweet 16 appearnces. Like I said Cincy is not worth the trouble. Period.

Actually...2 Elite 8's (2004 & 2008) 5 Sweet 16 (12, 10, 09, 08, 04)

Well got damn. That's for helping me further make my point. You guys have been on a roll. This year will be tough because the lossses but, I think you will be back in no time. Semaj (sp) is a good start.

(01-15-2013 04:19 PM)Xumuskie1994 Wrote:  

(01-15-2013 04:05 PM)BigmanU Wrote:  

(01-15-2013 03:42 PM)Bearcat T Wrote:  What a joke Cincinnati! is a Historical Basketball Power Top 25 All Time program...Beat Georgetown about three times last year too on the way to another Sweet Sixteen. Only one of Six schools to have Top 25 in both Sports last year and even less of a number did what UC has done last two years top 25 in both sports two years in a row! Cincy has 45k students and over 1 billion endowment, top 25 campuses in the world by Forbes...and dominated the Cincy market XU is a small private school about 175k endowment with just over 6k students just slightly larger than some of the larger public high schools in Cincy. They have a good base of about 10k fans and that is the limit of their interest in Cincy. It would be a huge boon to actually have both of these teams in the same conference for the new group.

So you went to Sweet sixteen last year 2011-2012 season

Here is what you've done in the last ten years.

02-03 1st Round
03-04 2nd Round
04-05 2nd Round
05-06 Goose eggs
06-07 Goose eggs
07-08 Goose eggs
08-09 Goose eggs
09-10 Goose eggs
10-11 2nd Round
11-12 Sweet Sixteen

Not exactly world beaters

Lets take a look at Xavier the last 10 years. Nine NCAA appearances including 1 Elite 8 & 4 Sweet 16 appearnces. Like I said Cincy is not worth the trouble. Period.

Actually...2 Elite 8's (2004 & 2008) 5 Sweet 16 (12, 10, 09, 08, 04)

Well you're kind of double dipping. The sweet 16's are implied when you say elite 8.

(01-15-2013 11:45 AM)NJRedMan Wrote:  Then how is UConn and Nova playing twice "playing to the future"?

Temple and Nova only played once a year because they were not in the same conference. If they were they certainly would have played more often.

You need to go back and reread my posts or something. I never suggested that UConn play Villanova twice. My mirror game suggestions were Villanova vs. Georgetown, Providence vs. St. John's, and UConn vs. Temple. In addition, Villanova, Temple, St. Joseph's, LaSalle, and Penn used to all play twice until the late 1980s, when Rolle Massimino basically tried to destroy the Big Five. Eventually the mini-league settled on a single round robin but Villanova would never play any of the others if they could actually get away with it. Philadelphia basketball history is not filled with any degree of Brotherly Love.

(01-15-2013 05:15 PM)Lolly Popp Wrote:  

(01-15-2013 11:45 AM)NJRedMan Wrote:  Then how is UConn and Nova playing twice "playing to the future"?

Temple and Nova only played once a year because they were not in the same conference. If they were they certainly would have played more often.

You need to go back and reread my posts or something. I never suggested that UConn play Villanova twice. My mirror game suggestions were Villanova vs. Georgetown, Providence vs. St. John's, and UConn vs. Temple. In addition, Villanova, Temple, St. Joseph's, LaSalle, and Penn used to all play twice until the late 1980s, when Rolle Massimino basically tried to destroy the Big Five. Eventually the mini-league settled on a single round robin but Villanova would never play any of the others if they could actually get away with it. Philadelphia basketball history is not filled with any degree of Brotherly Love.

Not posting this to be a jerk, really just an FYI because I'm lifelong Big Five fan... Except for 8 seasons in the 1990s, the Big Five schedule has been single round robin. During most of the 1990s, Villanova played 2 Big Five games annually and the other four teams all played each other annually. When Temple, St. Joe's and/or LaSalle play two conference games in a season, one is desginated prior to the season as the Big Five game.

As for having Temple and UConn play twice next year, it's as good an option as any. You are pretty much bound to make some school(s) unhappy with their mirror no matter how you align teams. My guess is that UConn fans wouldn't like the idea. I'm not sure what Ollie's opinion might be.

Regarding Villanova and the Big Five, as long as Jay Wright is the VU coach, the Big Five will remain full round robin. Embracing the Big Five was one of the first things he did. I have no idea whether he values it as much as he says publicly or the extent to which it was a PR move to mend fences. I suspect it's the former. Regardless, I'm glad he has.

(01-15-2013 04:33 PM)NJRedMan Wrote:  

(01-15-2013 04:19 PM)Xumuskie1994 Wrote:  

(01-15-2013 04:05 PM)BigmanU Wrote:  [quote='Bearcat T' pid='8839042' dateline='1358282539']
What a joke Cincinnati! is a Historical Basketball Power Top 25 All Time program...Beat Georgetown about three times last year too on the way to another Sweet Sixteen. Only one of Six schools to have Top 25 in both Sports last year and even less of a number did what UC has done last two years top 25 in both sports two years in a row! Cincy has 45k students and over 1 billion endowment, top 25 campuses in the world by Forbes...and dominated the Cincy market XU is a small private school about 175k endowment with just over 6k students just slightly larger than some of the larger public high schools in Cincy. They have a good base of about 10k fans and that is the limit of their interest in Cincy. It would be a huge boon to actually have both of these teams in the same conference for the new group.
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So you went to Sweet sixteen last year 2011-2012 season

Here is what you've done in the last ten years.

02-03 1st Round
03-04 2nd Round
04-05 2nd Round
05-06 Goose eggs
06-07 Goose eggs
07-08 Goose eggs
08-09 Goose eggs
09-10 Goose eggs
10-11 2nd Round
11-12 Sweet Sixteen

Not exactly world beaters

Lets take a look at Xavier the last 10 years. Nine NCAA appearances including 1 Elite 8 & 4 Sweet 16 appearnces. Like I said Cincy is not worth the trouble. Period.

Actually...2 Elite 8's (2004 & 2008) 5 Sweet 16 (12, 10, 09, 08, 04)

Well you're kind of double dipping. The sweet 16's are implied when you say elite 8.

If you don't have any final fours (yet) you have to give us a little liberty.

Cincinnati has a very solid Basketball (and football) program. I easily see them getting an invite to a Big 5 Conference within the next 2-3 years (if not sooner). So they are not a great fit for the C7. They could announce they are joining our league and then announce they are leaving our league before our games ever start. Not worth it.