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Revenues and Attendance
School......Revenue.......Attendance
Marquette.$15,568,569 15,756
Xavier......$11,205,384 10,096
Dayton.....$10,403,536 12,445
Georgetown $9,519,159 12,356
Villanova....$8,091,225 9,922
Seton Hall..$6,812,231 7,301
St John's ...$6,686,593 6,854
DePaul.......$6,467,709 8,256

Gonzaga....$6,128,191 6,042
Providence $5,988,360 8,006
Wichita St..$5,157,481 10,345
Creighton...$4,771,088 15,186
Richmond...$4,056,940 4,960
Butler ........$3,541,122 6,494
VCU.......... $3,221,519 6,508
Saint Louis $3,136,638 7,534
Geo Mason $2,662,520 5,937

This is where Dayton stands out, and where Wichita State gets to make some noise, and where VCU and Butler look questionable.

(Attendance is a 5-year home average)
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RE: Revenues and Attendance
This -- well, part of this -- is why I maintain Dayton should be a slam dunk (with the disclaimer of "I'm crazy, don't listen to me! Don't take them or VCU and leave the A-10 as a multi-bid league for my Bonnies).

They spend more (and make more!) on MBB than most the C7. They also have very good quality in non-revenue sports. Like a nationally ranked women's basketball team and volleyballl team. And a women's soccer program that's been among the best in the A-10; a men's soccer program that's been in the dance a couple times, and a baseball team that made an NCAA tourney appearance recently.

Those are signs of INFRASTRUCTURE. What Dayton lacks in terms of MBB NCAA bids/wins is due to things you can't control: Injuries, mental toughness of 18-22 year old kids, and coaching (which you can control). What does their MBB lack to be like Xavier or Butler or Gonzaga? A coach. Well, BCS conference can steal coaches (see Miller in Arizona, Matta in Ohio State, etc). They can't steal your budget or your arena.

(I also don't think attendance is a huge factor, because I think if you have empty seats for home games against Fordham or Loyola-Chicago, you're going to have less if G-Town, Nova, Marquette, etc are now the opponent instead).
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RE: Revenues and Attendance
(01-04-2013 03:07 PM)JPSchmack Wrote:  This -- well, part of this -- is why I maintain Dayton should be a slam dunk (with the disclaimer of "I'm crazy, don't listen to me! Don't take them or VCU and leave the A-10 as a multi-bid league for my Bonnies).

They spend more (and make more!) on MBB than most the C7. They also have very good quality in non-revenue sports. Like a nationally ranked women's basketball team and volleyballl team. And a women's soccer program that's been among the best in the A-10; a men's soccer program that's been in the dance a couple times, and a baseball team that made an NCAA tourney appearance recently.

Those are signs of INFRASTRUCTURE. What Dayton lacks in terms of MBB NCAA bids/wins is due to things you can't control: Injuries, mental toughness of 18-22 year old kids, and coaching (which you can control). What does their MBB lack to be like Xavier or Butler or Gonzaga? A coach. Well, BCS conference can steal coaches (see Miller in Arizona, Matta in Ohio State, etc). They can't steal your budget or your arena.

(I also don't think attendance is a huge factor, because I think if you have empty seats for home games against Fordham or Loyola-Chicago, you're going to have less if G-Town, Nova, Marquette, etc are now the opponent instead).

I think they are in. I really do.

I learned so much about a lot of schools i didn't know much about. Creighton being a top ten attendance program, Dayton swimming in the money, VCU's enrollment etc.
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No! Don't listen to me! VCU and Dayton are BAD! Take Xavier and Saint Louis for NINE! Leave my Bonnies in a good league!
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RE: Revenues and Attendance
What year is that from? I ask because Butler increased the required donation for access into both of their exclusive donor's last year (from $250 and $1000 in 2010, to $500 and $2500 in 2011). I was in the "low rollers" club (my term, it's only the $500 annual level) last week for the game against Penn. It was packed for a game against a 2-9 Ivy league squad (as was the whole arena).

Also, Butler is currently raising funds for a $20 million revamp of the arena. Much of it will go towards an expansion and improvement of the high roller's exclusive suite. It also includes other revenue enhancing items. The plans are in stone and supposedly half the money has already been raised. This is all in the most historic building in the NCAA (although MSG and the Palestra would probably argue that point, I'm sure), and they're turning it into a revenue generating machine.


On another note, the city of Dayton cares more about men's basketball than any other sport. Red's baseball and OSU football are a very distant second and third. The C-7 would be nuts not to take UD.
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(01-08-2013 05:41 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  On another note, the city of Dayton cares more about men's basketball than any other sport. Red's baseball and OSU football are a very distant second and third. The C-7 would be nuts not to take UD.

Dayton is located in the part of the Midwest where its basketball country more than football country.

Even though UD hasn't been winning a lot in the tournament they are regularly in at least the NIT. They are definitely not dead wood for the C7 by any means.
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No problems with attendance at Creighton, around 18K for the last 3 home games against EVANSVILLE, INDIANA STATE and DRAKE. Just imagine if Marquette or Georgetown come to Omaha.
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(01-12-2013 11:42 AM)Jet915 Wrote:  No problems with attendance at Creighton, around 18K for the last 3 home games against EVANSVILLE, INDIANA STATE and DRAKE. Just imagine if Marquette or Georgetown come to Omaha.

The same since the arena only seats about 18k? 03-lol
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(01-12-2013 11:42 AM)Jet915 Wrote:  No problems with attendance at Creighton, around 18K for the last 3 home games against EVANSVILLE, INDIANA STATE and DRAKE. Just imagine if Marquette or Georgetown come to Omaha.

Butler will never be an attendance leader has Hinkle only holds 10K. When they played IU they moved the game downtown. Will be interesting if they join what they do. I can't see them not using Hinkle but......
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(01-12-2013 11:48 AM)bmorex Wrote:  
(01-12-2013 11:42 AM)Jet915 Wrote:  No problems with attendance at Creighton, around 18K for the last 3 home games against EVANSVILLE, INDIANA STATE and DRAKE. Just imagine if Marquette or Georgetown come to Omaha.

The same since the arena only seats about 18k? 03-lol

Max w/standing room only is 18.7K but I get your point although I'm sure CU would raise ticket prices to make more $$$.
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(01-12-2013 11:32 AM)Louis Kitton Wrote:  
(01-08-2013 05:41 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote:  On another note, the city of Dayton cares more about men's basketball than any other sport. Red's baseball and OSU football are a very distant second and third. The C-7 would be nuts not to take UD.

Dayton is located in the part of the Midwest where its basketball country more than football country.

Even though UD hasn't been winning a lot in the tournament they are regularly in at least the NIT. They are definitely not dead wood for the C7 by any means.

Dayton will average about 12,500 no matter what happens. I don't even know why they have a marketing department. If they averaged 12,500 when they were 5-25 back in the 90s, all the marketing they need is opening the doors on game day.
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RE: Revenues and Attendance
Oh, and the big reason that Xavier and Dayton are making more profits on MBB than a lot of the schools in the C7 is because they own their arenas and don't have to rent MSG, Prudential, Verizon or whatever they're calling the 76ers/Flyers NBA/NHL arena these days.
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(01-12-2013 12:03 PM)Jet915 Wrote:  
(01-12-2013 11:48 AM)bmorex Wrote:  
(01-12-2013 11:42 AM)Jet915 Wrote:  No problems with attendance at Creighton, around 18K for the last 3 home games against EVANSVILLE, INDIANA STATE and DRAKE. Just imagine if Marquette or Georgetown come to Omaha.

The same since the arena only seats about 18k? 03-lol

Max w/standing room only is 18.7K but I get your point although I'm sure CU would raise ticket prices to make more $$$.

Oh definitely, I was just making a joke. It really is incredible you can get that many people to a game of that competitive level.
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(01-04-2013 11:22 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  School......Revenue.......Attendance
Marquette.$15,568,569 15,756
Xavier......$11,205,384 10,096
Dayton.....$10,403,536 12,445
Georgetown $9,519,159 12,356
Villanova....$8,091,225 9,922
Seton Hall..$6,812,231 7,301
St John's ...$6,686,593 6,854
DePaul.......$6,467,709 8,256

Gonzaga....$6,128,191 6,042
Providence $5,988,360 8,006
Wichita St..$5,157,481 10,345
Creighton...$4,771,088 15,186
Richmond...$4,056,940 4,960
Butler ........$3,541,122 6,494
VCU.......... $3,221,519 6,508
Saint Louis $3,136,638 7,534
Geo Mason $2,662,520 5,937

This is where Dayton stands out, and where Wichita State gets to make some noise, and where VCU and Butler look questionable.

(Attendance is a 5-year home average)

John you need a proforma sheet that adjust these numgers to how each teams will look with new revenues going forward with new C7 revenues. That will be the true picture. 04-cheers
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(01-12-2013 03:05 PM)Wilkie01 Wrote:  
(01-04-2013 11:22 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  School......Revenue.......Attendance
Marquette.$15,568,569 15,756
Xavier......$11,205,384 10,096
Dayton.....$10,403,536 12,445
Georgetown $9,519,159 12,356
Villanova....$8,091,225 9,922
Seton Hall..$6,812,231 7,301
St John's ...$6,686,593 6,854
DePaul.......$6,467,709 8,256

Gonzaga....$6,128,191 6,042
Providence $5,988,360 8,006
Wichita St..$5,157,481 10,345
Creighton...$4,771,088 15,186
Richmond...$4,056,940 4,960
Butler ........$3,541,122 6,494
VCU.......... $3,221,519 6,508
Saint Louis $3,136,638 7,534
Geo Mason $2,662,520 5,937

This is where Dayton stands out, and where Wichita State gets to make some noise, and where VCU and Butler look questionable.

(Attendance is a 5-year home average)

John you need a proforma sheet that adjust these numgers to how each teams will look with new revenues going forward with new C7 revenues. That will be the true picture. 04-cheers

Well, I'm really only comparing the candidates, so it evens out to a large extent. And where it doesn't even out, it's pretty speculative. You can estimate how much sponsorship revenue goes up, for example, but it's just an estimate. I can guess-estimate that it would go up more for Saint Louis than Xavier, because StL metro > Cincy metro, but I wouldn't trust that for smaller differences. I would also try to account for local competition--Indianapolis is a bigger metro than Richmond, but Butler is up against IU and the Pacers, plus the Colts and Big Ten football, while VCU in the Big East would be basically the only ticket in town.
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RE: Revenues and Attendance
SLU has always had attendance problems since moving to the A-10, its just hard for their fanbase to get excited when they play a lot of east coast teams with no connection to the midwest. Since the team has moved to the Chaifetz Arena and Majerus brought the program to relevance, their numbers have climbed, though still aren't that good. Put them in a league with Depaul, Marquette, Xavier, etc. and their attendance will climb, while the increased exposure will help their revenue. Soccer for them will always be strong as well, and they're a great academic fit too. Father Biondi as president is a problem though, he's a my way or the highway kind of guy. I know an employee of the university who was fired just for getting feelers for other jobs.

Really though, SLU will never be very high on St. Louis' pecking order of sports, it's a pro town. I'd say it goes Cardinals, Rams/Blues, Mizzou, with SLU finishing a distant fifth. Still, they do receive decent media coverage from the Post Dispatch and TV,
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