SDSU isn't making any intentions known at this point because they have no idea what kind of TV deal they can get from the BE or the MWC. They obviously aren't going to get the sweetheart deal that Boise got, but I have to think that even without Boise the BE deal would be better than a non-Boise deal would be in the MWC. We shall see. SDSU has four weeks to decide.

In Boise's contract with the MWC ---- where does the bonus money that's paid to a team ($300,000 for a weekday game or $500,000 for a Saturday game) come from? It doesn't seem like there's extra money out there and most come out of the pockets of other MWC schools ---- is this a correct reading?

(01-03-2013 10:03 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  In Boise's contract with the MWC ---- where does the bonus money that's paid to a team ($300,000 for a weekday game or $500,000 for a Saturday game) come from? It doesn't seem like there's extra money out there and most come out of the pockets of other MWC schools ---- is this a correct reading?

Well, obviously it has to come from somewhere. Officially, it comes out of the pot before regular TV revenue is distributed.

So the MWC is counting on Boise's 6 home games, and the other package of games they're putting on the market (probably picks #6, 8, 10...22, 24) bringing in enough money to balance those books. Good luck with that.

(01-03-2013 10:03 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  In Boise's contract with the MWC ---- where does the bonus money that's paid to a team ($300,000 for a weekday game or $500,000 for a Saturday game) come from? It doesn't seem like there's extra money out there and most come out of the pockets of other MWC schools ---- is this a correct reading?

Likely it will come from a new TV deal where Boise will sell its home games to a network (ESPN) like BYU does. According to the contract, Boise will have a separate deal from the rest of the MWC in perpetuity, but the revenue will be rolled into the conference distribution. The bonuses would get paid first, then the remainder distrubted equally.

(01-03-2013 03:24 AM)k5james Wrote:  

(01-03-2013 03:23 AM)Bearcat_Bounce Wrote:  Sorry guys we don't have a need for SDSU and never really did. Now that Boise State is gone it truly makes no sense. SDSU will be successful in the MWC as one of the better overall programs thanks to their excellent basketball and improving football. No business being in the Big East though.

Looks like you might need to get used to the idea.

Alright K5, what's the word? What are your sources telling you? That is, if you have sources... I know all of us here seem to.

(01-03-2013 10:10 AM)CommuterBob Wrote:  

(01-03-2013 10:03 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  In Boise's contract with the MWC ---- where does the bonus money that's paid to a team ($300,000 for a weekday game or $500,000 for a Saturday game) come from? It doesn't seem like there's extra money out there and most come out of the pockets of other MWC schools ---- is this a correct reading?

Likely it will come from a new TV deal where Boise will sell its home games to a network (ESPN) like BYU does. According to the contract, Boise will have a separate deal from the rest of the MWC in perpetuity, but the revenue will be rolled into the conference distribution. The bonuses would get paid first, then the remainder distrubted equally.

Yes but add the money and it still doesn't add up. How much do you think 6 Boise home games will get? Add that to the current MWC deal and they will have trouble covering those bonuses from those two sources. One thing is certain the base amount divided evenly will be peanuts.

Do this deal instead of cherry picking cusa and instead of two clear frontrunner 2nd tier status mid-major leagues, you will have three roughly equal leagues only marginally better than the sun belt.

(01-03-2013 10:03 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  In Boise's contract with the MWC ---- where does the bonus money that's paid to a team ($300,000 for a weekday game or $500,000 for a Saturday game) come from? It doesn't seem like there's extra money out there and most come out of the pockets of other MWC schools ---- is this a correct reading?

No, it comes from the package sale (outside of the existing MWC TV deal) of our home games along with a selection of other MWC games. The revenue generated from the sale of that package goes back to the MWC, not Boise State. From there, any schools that play games on national television (not part of the existing CBS TV deal) will be paid bonuses from the additional money generated by the by the package of games sold along with our home games (not affecting the existing TV money).

So any team that gets chosen for a national broadcast in the conference gets paid the bonus money. Yes we were that catalyst for the deal, but it is not some Texas style setup that pretty much every ill-informed person I've seen on the Internetz is making it out to be. It's incentive to build your program, not to make Boise State king. If we're king at first it's because the brand we've built is more desirable to the networks.

(01-03-2013 10:13 AM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(01-03-2013 10:10 AM)CommuterBob Wrote:  

(01-03-2013 10:03 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  In Boise's contract with the MWC ---- where does the bonus money that's paid to a team ($300,000 for a weekday game or $500,000 for a Saturday game) come from? It doesn't seem like there's extra money out there and most come out of the pockets of other MWC schools ---- is this a correct reading?

Likely it will come from a new TV deal where Boise will sell its home games to a network (ESPN) like BYU does. According to the contract, Boise will have a separate deal from the rest of the MWC in perpetuity, but the revenue will be rolled into the conference distribution. The bonuses would get paid first, then the remainder distrubted equally.

Yes but add the money and it still doesn't add up. How much do you think 6 Boise home games will get? Add that to the current MWC deal and they will have trouble covering those bonuses from those two sources. One thing is certain the base amount divided evenly will be peanuts.

$5 million for our home games is not an unreasonable sum to imagine. The MWC didn't just pull these bonus numbers of of their backside.. The bottom line was that to this point the Big East had NO numbers to counter with, which is why they were "unwilling" to match the offer. If the TV dollars here were going to be so huge, $5 million could have easily surpassed what the MWC offered on a consistent basis, but then again, we still would have had to pay the Big West for the right to lower out basketball standards there. Which probably also was a factor.

(01-03-2013 10:31 AM)BroncoFan78 Wrote:  

(01-03-2013 10:13 AM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(01-03-2013 10:10 AM)CommuterBob Wrote:  

(01-03-2013 10:03 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  In Boise's contract with the MWC ---- where does the bonus money that's paid to a team ($300,000 for a weekday game or $500,000 for a Saturday game) come from? It doesn't seem like there's extra money out there and most come out of the pockets of other MWC schools ---- is this a correct reading?

Likely it will come from a new TV deal where Boise will sell its home games to a network (ESPN) like BYU does. According to the contract, Boise will have a separate deal from the rest of the MWC in perpetuity, but the revenue will be rolled into the conference distribution. The bonuses would get paid first, then the remainder distrubted equally.

Yes but add the money and it still doesn't add up. How much do you think 6 Boise home games will get? Add that to the current MWC deal and they will have trouble covering those bonuses from those two sources. One thing is certain the base amount divided evenly will be peanuts.

$5 million for our home games is not an unreasonable sum to imagine. The MWC didn't just pull these bonus numbers of of their backside.. The bottom line was that to this point the Big East had NO numbers to counter with, which is why they were "unwilling" to match the offer. If the TV dollars here were going to be so huge, $5 million could have easily surpassed what the MWC offered on a consistent basis, but then again, we still would have had to pay the Big West for the right to lower out basketball standards there. Which probably also was a factor.

I'm not blaming Boise for the deal it received. They went out and got the best deal possible. All I'm saying is count the money look at the number of national and regional games televised from MWC this year and then use bonuses.you will see the base amount to be evenly divided is very very low. Not a good thing for schools that didnt get any or only one game that qualified for those bonuses last year.

(01-03-2013 10:28 AM)BroncoFan78 Wrote:  

(01-03-2013 10:03 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  In Boise's contract with the MWC ---- where does the bonus money that's paid to a team ($300,000 for a weekday game or $500,000 for a Saturday game) come from? It doesn't seem like there's extra money out there and most come out of the pockets of other MWC schools ---- is this a correct reading?

No, it comes from the package sale (outside of the existing MWC TV deal) of our home games along with a selection of other MWC games. The revenue generated from the sale of that package goes back to the MWC, not Boise State.

That part is right.

Quote: From there, any schools that play games on national television (not part of the existing CBS TV deal) will be paid bonuses from the additional money generated by the by the package of games sold along with our home games (not affecting the existing TV money).

So any team that gets chosen for a national broadcast in the conference gets paid the bonus money.

The problem is, that for the 10 MWC teams as of Dec 31, 2012, their TV rights are owned by CBS-SN. ESPN can't just decide one day that showing 9-1 Nevada vs 10-0 Utah State would be awesome--CBS owns that game. And they're not putting it on CBS over-the-air. Maybe CBS-SN sells the game to ESPN, but apparently last year CBS and ESPN had a terrible relationship over the games that CBS sold to ESPN.

Quote:Yes we were that catalyst for the deal, but it is not some Texas style setup that pretty much every ill-informed person I've seen on the Internetz is making it out to be.

When I notice that everyone but me is wrong, I go back and check really really carefully to see why. Usually it's the rest of the world, but sometimes I made a mistake. Try it.

Quote:It's incentive to build your program, not to make Boise State king. If we're king at first it's because the brand we've built is more desirable to the networks.

Now, I have no problem with the deal Boise and the MWC made--it's not my money, it's not my conference, it's not my schools, etc. I have no problem with the idea that Boise State should get paid more than Utah State. Boise State has earned that over a decade of performing and getting fans and building an national rep and and and and.

But it's not right to say that other MWC schools, under the current MWC contracts (which run through 2020) can do the same thing Boise is going. Boise has a unique deal. You earned it. Accept it.

(01-03-2013 10:38 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(01-03-2013 10:28 AM)BroncoFan78 Wrote:  

(01-03-2013 10:03 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  In Boise's contract with the MWC ---- where does the bonus money that's paid to a team ($300,000 for a weekday game or $500,000 for a Saturday game) come from? It doesn't seem like there's extra money out there and most come out of the pockets of other MWC schools ---- is this a correct reading?

No, it comes from the package sale (outside of the existing MWC TV deal) of our home games along with a selection of other MWC games. The revenue generated from the sale of that package goes back to the MWC, not Boise State.

That part is right.

Quote: From there, any schools that play games on national television (not part of the existing CBS TV deal) will be paid bonuses from the additional money generated by the by the package of games sold along with our home games (not affecting the existing TV money).

So any team that gets chosen for a national broadcast in the conference gets paid the bonus money.

The problem is, that for the 10 MWC teams as of Dec 31, 2012, their TV rights are owned by CBS-SN. ESPN can't just decide one day that showing 9-1 Nevada vs 10-0 Utah State would be awesome--CBS owns that game. And they're not putting it on CBS over-the-air. Maybe CBS-SN sells the game to ESPN, but apparently last year CBS and ESPN had a terrible relationship over the games that CBS sold to ESPN.

Quote:Yes we were that catalyst for the deal, but it is not some Texas style setup that pretty much every ill-informed person I've seen on the Internetz is making it out to be.

When I notice that everyone but me is wrong, I go back and check really really carefully to see why. Usually it's the rest of the world, but sometimes I made a mistake. Try it.

Quote:It's incentive to build your program, not to make Boise State king. If we're king at first it's because the brand we've built is more desirable to the networks.

Now, I have no problem with the deal Boise and the MWC made--it's not my money, it's not my conference, it's not my schools, etc. I have no problem with the idea that Boise State should get paid more than Utah State. Boise State has earned that over a decade of performing and getting fans and building an national rep and and and and.

But it's not right to say that other MWC schools, under the current MWC contracts (which run through 2020) can do the same thing Boise is going. Boise has a unique deal. You earned it. Accept it.

The MWC restructured their deal with CBS so that CBS gets to chose a selection of games (no BSU games and only a selection of other 'top tier' games). The rest are available for sale, as are digital media rights which have not been sold at this point. The MWC TV deal restructure was widely publicized news about a week or so prior to our announcement. If you were any good and rechecking your work, you would have noticed this little detail.

Yes. Get it done. I want SDSU in the BE. I do not care that they are a west coast team. Who cares if teams have to travel to San Diego once every 2 years. I want this to happen.

(01-03-2013 10:43 AM)BroncoFan78 Wrote:  The MWC restructured their deal with CBS so that CBS gets to chose a selection of games (no BSU games and only a selection of other 'top tier' games).

Right. As far as we the public know, CBS gets the first five picks, and then alternating picks after that.

Quote:The rest are available for sale,

But the rest of the games will not be ESPN/2/OTA quality games. If they were, you'd see them on CBS once in a while, like you do with the Navy/Army/Air Force games.

Once CBS has picked off the five best MWC games (not counting Boise home games), games #6, 8, 10 are not very attractive to ESPN/2 or ABC/NBC/FOX/CBS over-the-air.

Quote:as are digital media rights which have not been sold at this point. The MWC TV deal restructure was widely publicized news about a week or so prior to our announcement.

Yeah, we heard about that.

(01-03-2013 10:47 AM)BullsFanInTX Wrote:  Yes. Get it done. I want SDSU in the BE. I do not care that they are a west coast team. Who cares if teams have to travel to San Diego once every 2 years. I want this to happen.

WORD

(01-03-2013 10:52 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(01-03-2013 10:43 AM)BroncoFan78 Wrote:  The MWC restructured their deal with CBS so that CBS gets to chose a selection of games (no BSU games and only a selection of other 'top tier' games).

Right. As far as we the public know, CBS gets the first five picks, and then alternating picks after that.

Quote:The rest are available for sale,

But the rest of the games will not be ESPN/2/OTA quality games. If they were, you'd see them on CBS once in a while, like you do with the Navy/Army/Air Force games.

Once CBS has picked off the five best MWC games (not counting Boise home games), games #6, 8, 10 are not very attractive to ESPN/2 or ABC/NBC/FOX/CBS over-the-air.

Quote:as are digital media rights which have not been sold at this point. The MWC TV deal restructure was widely publicized news about a week or so prior to our announcement.

Yeah, we heard about that.

So I don't see where the confusion is about where the money is coming from? CBS does not get the 5 best available games, it is an assortment. All additional revenue generated goes to the league. Additionally if you make an access bowl or playoff game, your school keeps 50% of the payout before the league gets any. These are just incentive based programs of a capitalistic nature. The opposite of hand-out socialism. I understand that some folks want that though, to each their own.

I don't get why is it so important to you to come to a Big East board and try to sell your point that its an equal contract or all MWC schools.
Here is a hint it doesn't matter what we think or even what our school officials think. Its the MWC schools you need to worry about, if they are happy with it then more power to you

(01-03-2013 10:55 AM)BroncoFan78 Wrote:  

(01-03-2013 10:52 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(01-03-2013 10:43 AM)BroncoFan78 Wrote:  The MWC restructured their deal with CBS so that CBS gets to chose a selection of games (no BSU games and only a selection of other 'top tier' games).

Right. As far as we the public know, CBS gets the first five picks, and then alternating picks after that.

Quote:The rest are available for sale,

But the rest of the games will not be ESPN/2/OTA quality games. If they were, you'd see them on CBS once in a while, like you do with the Navy/Army/Air Force games.

Once CBS has picked off the five best MWC games (not counting Boise home games), games #6, 8, 10 are not very attractive to ESPN/2 or ABC/NBC/FOX/CBS over-the-air.

Quote:as are digital media rights which have not been sold at this point. The MWC TV deal restructure was widely publicized news about a week or so prior to our announcement.

Yeah, we heard about that.

So I don't see where the confusion is about where the money is coming from? CBS does not get the 5 best available games, it is an assortment. All additional revenue generated goes to the league. Additionally if you make an access bowl or playoff game, your school keeps 50% of the payout before the league gets any. These are just incentive based programs of a capitalistic nature. The opposite of hand-out socialism. I understand that some folks want that though, to each their own.

Wait --- the MWC gets no money from Boise's away games against a teams like BYU - right? But the MWC has to pay the $300,000/$500,000 bonus money anyway? Isn't that the agreement? If so, there's no additional money generated to the MWC and that money comes directly out of the pockets of other MWC members --- no?

(01-03-2013 10:55 AM)BroncoFan78 Wrote:  

(01-03-2013 10:52 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(01-03-2013 10:43 AM)BroncoFan78 Wrote:  The MWC restructured their deal with CBS so that CBS gets to chose a selection of games (no BSU games and only a selection of other 'top tier' games).

Right. As far as we the public know, CBS gets the first five picks, and then alternating picks after that.

Quote:The rest are available for sale,

But the rest of the games will not be ESPN/2/OTA quality games. If they were, you'd see them on CBS once in a while, like you do with the Navy/Army/Air Force games.

Once CBS has picked off the five best MWC games (not counting Boise home games), games #6, 8, 10 are not very attractive to ESPN/2 or ABC/NBC/FOX/CBS over-the-air.

Quote:as are digital media rights which have not been sold at this point. The MWC TV deal restructure was widely publicized news about a week or so prior to our announcement.

Yeah, we heard about that.

So I don't see where the confusion is about where the money is coming from? CBS does not get the 5 best available games, it is an assortment. All additional revenue generated goes to the league. Additionally if you make an access bowl or playoff game, your school keeps 50% of the payout before the league gets any. These are just incentive based programs of a capitalistic nature. The opposite of hand-out socialism. I understand that some folks want that though, to each their own.

The press reports were that CBS gets some number, most likely 5, "priority picks", and then there would be alternating picks.

I don't have a problem with the bowl or BCS payout deal. Heck, I don't have a problem with the national-exposure-bonus deal. I just have a problem with Bronco fans saying that the other MWC could benefit just as much as Boise if they started winning. No they can't. Life is tough, get over it.

And since this isn't a Big East topic, and this isn't my board, I'm not going to keep saying the same thing.

(01-03-2013 11:09 AM)TIGERCITY Wrote:  Wait --- the MWC gets no money from Boise's away games against a teams like BYU - right? But the MWC has to pay the $300,000/$500,000 bonus money anyway? Isn't that the agreement? If so, there's no additional money generated to the MWC and that money comes directly out of the pockets of other MWC members --- no?

Don't use facts. You'll just confuse people.