(01-03-2013 01:12 PM)k5james Wrote:  

(01-03-2013 03:58 AM)Boise fan Wrote:  

(01-03-2013 03:48 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(01-03-2013 03:45 AM)Boise fan Wrote:  

(01-03-2013 03:39 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  Are you saying that you believe that, say, Air Force will have the right, under MWC bylaws and the CBS contract, to shop their home games to Fox?

What I'm saying is that any AF MWC game that is televised nationally will earn them the same bonuses outlined in the agreement.

The only games this agreement covers is MWC conference games. Regardless of which schools are playing. Any of them go national tv - they get the bonus.

But CBS-SN owns them, so they won't be going national. That's the point.

That's purely speculative. And given the fact that Thompson has proven himself to be no idiot, highly doubtful. There are very real situations where other MWC schools may have reason to be on ESPN or ESPN2.

And as to the likelyhood of so many BSU games being televised, if the MWC schools are such pushovers, why would conference games, even those involving Boise State, garner a national audience?

Proven himself to be no idiot? You realize he's the one who put together the original TV deal right?

That's not what I understand. The school presidents, particularly the BYU & Utah presidents had a lot of sway as to how the media deal ended up.

But to your point - yeah, the guy who was instrumental in launching the first conference network is a putz.

The guy who decimated the WAC when Benson & BYU were plotting the MWC's demise is a putz.

The guy who found a way to lure BSU away from the BE is a putz.

Yep. Crap - what company would ever want someone like that, right?

(01-03-2013 01:30 PM)Boise fan Wrote:  

(01-03-2013 01:12 PM)k5james Wrote:  

(01-03-2013 03:58 AM)Boise fan Wrote:  

(01-03-2013 03:48 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(01-03-2013 03:45 AM)Boise fan Wrote:  What I'm saying is that any AF MWC game that is televised nationally will earn them the same bonuses outlined in the agreement.

The only games this agreement covers is MWC conference games. Regardless of which schools are playing. Any of them go national tv - they get the bonus.

But CBS-SN owns them, so they won't be going national. That's the point.

That's purely speculative. And given the fact that Thompson has proven himself to be no idiot, highly doubtful. There are very real situations where other MWC schools may have reason to be on ESPN or ESPN2.

And as to the likelyhood of so many BSU games being televised, if the MWC schools are such pushovers, why would conference games, even those involving Boise State, garner a national audience?

Proven himself to be no idiot? You realize he's the one who put together the original TV deal right?

That's not what I understand. The school presidents, particularly the BYU & Utah presidents had a lot of sway as to how the media deal ended up.

But to your point - yeah, the guy who was instrumental in launching the first conference network is a putz.

The guy who decimated the WAC when Benson & BYU were plotting the MWC's demise is a putz.

The guy who found a way to lure BSU away from the BE is a putz.

Yep. Crap - what company would ever want someone like that, right?

You understand wrong. The Hair was the chief negotiator for the MWC in the original TV deal.

How did that conference network do?

He's the same guy who created the conditions that made BSU/SDSU want to leave for an eastern league in the first place.

So his big accomolishments were killing off the WAC, really how hard was that after he'd already pulled BSU, and bending over to get BSU back into the MwC after losing them.

Lol, real CEO material there...

(01-03-2013 04:31 AM)monty Wrote:  But the school and the league disagree on which games count toward the national television exposure bonus,

Read more here: http://www.idahostatesman.com/2013/01/03...rylink=cpy

I love the Potato Borg coming in like John Marshall telling us what the contract means when Bobby thinks it means more money than the Hair does.

Dec '11 to June 30th, 11pm
June 30th, 11:59 to Dec 31st
Dec 31st to Jan 2nd

man the intervals are shrinking, considerably. I told you not to let Bobby K touch water. He's now renegotiating 2 party agreements signed a couple days before.

Firstly, it's highly inappropriate for a moderator to throw around retarded slurs such as "Potato Borg". It only makes you appear as a major douche.

That stated, after seeing the latest development with Kustra - I think he's going way too far. The bonus clause should only ever cover conference games. And I think the MWC will have a fairly easy time proving that if it has to end up in a court.

That doesn't change my opinion of this agreement as it was written - that it benefits both BSU and the rest of the MWC members. But I do agree with the criticism against Kustra for overreaching. He should just stop that crap now and accept the contract he signed at face value.

(01-03-2013 03:58 AM)Boise fan Wrote:  

(01-03-2013 03:48 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(01-03-2013 03:45 AM)Boise fan Wrote:  

(01-03-2013 03:39 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(01-03-2013 03:27 AM)Boise fan Wrote:  That's not accurate John - it states plainly in the contract that "the MWC will adopt policies or bylaws that provide additional payments to conference members when they participate in regular season football games broadcast nationally as provided for in this paragraph."

That means any and all MWC conference members will receive the bonuses if they are on national tv. I'm sure that was one of the points that the MWC renegotiated with CBS in their initial deliberations, before BSU entered the fray.

Are you saying that you believe that, say, Air Force will have the right, under MWC bylaws and the CBS contract, to shop their home games to Fox?

What I'm saying is that any AF MWC game that is televised nationally will earn them the same bonuses outlined in the agreement.

The only games this agreement covers is MWC conference games. Regardless of which schools are playing. Any of them go national tv - they get the bonus.

But CBS-SN owns them, so they won't be going national. That's the point.

That's purely speculative. And given the fact that Thompson has proven himself to be no idiot, highly doubtful. There are very real situations where other MWC schools may have reason to be on ESPN or ESPN2.

And as to the likelyhood of so many BSU games being televised, if the MWC schools are such pushovers, why would conference games, even those involving Boise State, garner a national audience?

I hope it works out for Boise.... my thoughts on this (and I've been following TV ratings for a while now) is that BYU and Boise draw well on TV when they play a school from a Power 5 conference (or Notre Dame).
Nothing out of the ordinary for a Power 5 game.

Looking at TV ratings for games of Boise/BYU against other MW schools draws flies. Even the BYU-Boise matchup this year was no ratings Bonanza. It was in-line with and even below several BE matchups in terms of viewers.

In any event, I hope it all works out... out west.

Just curious, last I saw the MW and Boise were at odds on road games. Boise saying they got a bonus if playing say, at Mich St... the MW saying no, that is a B1G/ESPN contract game so no bonus. Did they ever straighten that out? If it is a bonus, where does that money come from?

Guess what, I don't care what you think - you aren't in this conference. You riding around on a white horse trying to defend Boize's honor is bizarre and absurd, gallop on out of here

(01-03-2013 01:30 PM)Boise fan Wrote:  [quote='k5james' pid='8782680' dateline='1357236765']
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What I'm saying is that any AF MWC game that is televised nationally will earn them the same bonuses outlined in the agreement.

The only games this agreement covers is MWC conference games. Regardless of which schools are playing. Any of them go national tv - they get the bonus.

Why are you on the BE board.......anyone who reads any of your statements will know they are bias.......please go back to mwc board and stay in mwc where bsu can be the big fish in the little pond (maybe).

P.S. How sad mwc conference finished 1-4 in bowls and your co-champ lost to a team (smu 6-6) who had to win its last game to go to a bowl (32-0). What happen to sbu......that's right, bsu finished third place in conference play.......what a joke. Trust me most easterns could cafe less than bsu is gone.

Record (Fact): ecu 1...........sbu 0 (ecu did not win cusa that season so chances are good bsu would not have won cusa conference championship that season

(01-03-2013 03:58 AM)Boise fan Wrote:  

(01-03-2013 03:48 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(01-03-2013 03:45 AM)Boise fan Wrote:  What I'm saying is that any AF MWC game that is televised nationally will earn them the same bonuses outlined in the agreement.

The only games this agreement covers is MWC conference games. Regardless of which schools are playing. Any of them go national tv - they get the bonus.

But CBS-SN owns them, so they won't be going national. That's the point.

That's purely speculative.

No, at this point, that's fact. CBS is paying $8M a year for something. And that something was reported as definitely being some priority games, probably five, and some sort of package with alternating picks.

Quote:And given the fact that Thompson has proven himself to be no idiot, highly doubtful.

When did he prove that?

Quote:There are very real situations where other MWC schools may have reason to be on ESPN or ESPN2.

Generally, when they play a road game (body-bag or rivalry) at a power-conference team and the stars line up just right.

It's very possible that ESPN wins the bidding for the MWC Tier 2 package, but not very likely that more than 2 or 3 games get on ESPN or ESPN2, given that CBS has picks #1-5 and alternating picks after that.

Quote:And as to the likelyhood of so many BSU games being televised, if the MWC schools are such pushovers, why would conference games, even those involving Boise State, garner a national audience?

Because they have Boise State, the plucky little Smurf-Turfed BCS giant killers.

(01-03-2013 01:37 PM)Boise fan Wrote:  ...
Firstly, it's highly inappropriate for a moderator to throw around retarded slurs such as "Potato Borg". It only makes you appear as a major ******.
...

Perhaps since BSU is no longer associated with this conference, you could find another board where the moderation meets your expectations.

"retarded slurs"?

My 2 cents on Boise: They comitted, then de-comitted. Most are giving them a pass on this, saying it's just 'business', but the timing really hurts the Big East. They waited until the schedules were out with only 9 months until the season starts. Now we're in just as bad a scheduling lurch as we were when WV pulled the same stuff... Just becuase the MWC happened to renegotiate their TV deal and could offer more? Big East schools had to take bad OOC deals or even play 2 FCS schools. Bad.

LV and RU are still in the conference next season, so I really don't think Boise can use that as an excuse.

Once you get inside a certain time window, you are comitting to play a season. Looks to me like Boise was just playing one side against the other to get the best $$ deal they could (obviously).

Frankly, I don't like lame duck seasons, so I'm not too upset Boise is gone... but the way this went down smells bad to me... I'll be kind here and simply say I've lost some respect I had for Boise.

My 2 cents, I wish everyone well.

(01-03-2013 02:45 PM)Bull Wrote:  My 2 cents on Boise: They comitted, then de-comitted. Most are giving them a pass on this, saying it's just 'business', but the timing really hurts the Big East. They waited until the schedules were out with only 9 months until the season starts. Now we're in just as bad a scheduling lurch as we were when WV pulled the same stuff... Just becuase the MWC happened to renegotiate their TV deal and could offer more? Big East schools had to take bad OOC deals or even play 2 FCS schools. Bad.

LV and RU are still in the conference next season, so I really don't think Boise can use that as an excuse.

Once you get inside a certain time window, you are comitting to play a season. Looks to me like Boise was just playing one side against the other to get the best $$ deal they could (obviously).

Frankly, I don't like lame duck seasons, so I'm not too upset Boise is gone... but the way this went down smells bad to me... I'll be kind here and simply say I've lost some respect I had for Boise.

My 2 cents, I wish everyone well.

I too also wish everyone well, but your comments about the way this happened being unfair to the conference are right on target. Perhaps Boise fans can make a case that they felt the conference may have drug its feet in adding western teams, but their exit wasn't handled well.

I almost never defend Boise but, these things evolve. Boise left about a week or so after 7 other schools and after it became apparent that the nBE didn't have a television contract to deliver. And the MWC had just completed its television contract revision and could make promises.

Meaning, while I understand that it was bad timing from your standpoint, they didn't really set the timing. If anything, they rushed it -- they could have pushed it into January.

Yoda out...

(01-03-2013 03:58 PM)Yoda Wrote:  I almost never defend Boise but, these things evolve. Boise left about a week or so after 7 other schools and after it became apparent that the nBE didn't have a television contract to deliver. And the MWC had just completed its television contract revision and could make promises.

Meaning, while I understand that it was bad timing from your standpoint, they didn't really set the timing. If anything, they rushed it -- they could have pushed it into January.

Yoda out...

I agree they did it quick enough as these things go. I hate to have ECU put in position to get a quicker out from CUSA, but if we have the chance to take Boise's football schedule, I think we should. That would need to take place quickly also. CUSA doesn't deserve that though. Just how bad this business has gotten.

(01-03-2013 03:58 PM)Yoda Wrote:  I almost never defend Boise but, these things evolve. Boise left about a week or so after 7 other schools and after it became apparent that the nBE didn't have a television contract to deliver. And the MWC had just completed its television contract revision and could make promises.

Meaning, while I understand that it was bad timing from your standpoint, they didn't really set the timing. If anything, they rushed it -- they could have pushed it into January.

Yoda out...

Understood and they could have pushed it further out.

The conference and all of its promise that all of us joined doesn't exist any longer. We're all in that boat. Perhaps making an offer to fulfill its commitment for the 2013 football season could have eased a voiced scheduling concern; although that creates its own scheduling mess. It's possible that was done behind the scenes and we just don't know it.

Boise was a valuable asset to the conference and I'm disappointed that it didn't work. I'm convinced that this will all work out OK for everyone involved, just at a lower level than anticipated.

(01-03-2013 04:06 PM)ultraviolet Wrote:  

(01-03-2013 03:58 PM)Yoda Wrote:  I almost never defend Boise but, these things evolve. Boise left about a week or so after 7 other schools and after it became apparent that the nBE didn't have a television contract to deliver. And the MWC had just completed its television contract revision and could make promises.

Meaning, while I understand that it was bad timing from your standpoint, they didn't really set the timing. If anything, they rushed it -- they could have pushed it into January.

Yoda out...

I agree they did it quick enough as these things go. I hate to have ECU put in position to get a quicker out from CUSA, but if we have the chance to take Boise's football schedule, I think we should. That would need to take place quickly also. CUSA doesn't deserve that though. Just how bad this business has gotten.

Classy post Ultra. Don't think for a minute that C-USA will be crying. They would probaly rather see you guys leave early and collect the large check they are about to recieve. I'm sure the NBE will be picking up the tab for your early release. Since its a quick turnaround.