(01-01-2013 06:09 PM)DaSaintFan Wrote:  Why are they even discussing C-USA dissolution? That's not going to happen any time soon.. I love how the BE issues are having you guys saying our conference dissolves. Sheesh. Talk about (un)loyalty.

Why talk about euthanizing a dog with cancer?

(01-02-2013 04:08 PM)eager eagle Wrote:  

(01-02-2013 11:59 AM)EdisonDoyle Wrote:  Anyone who thinks that C-USA can be dissolved so that entry fees can be averted in some sort of quid-pro-quo for USM and UAB et al to move to the BE, others to the MWC, etc. and leave the "newbies" holding the bag, and there NOT be litigation (fraud, anti-trust) is in dreamland.
You can follow the specifics of the bylaws all you want, but any collusion to avert exit penalties is a non-starter. Or to dissolve the league, where auto bids et al are lost.
That said, the primary exit penalties for most teams are the effects of the TV diminution. Well, C-USA didn't take a TV hit when Lou and Cincy left; nor when TCU left; and they likely won't when SMU, Tulane, Houston and the rest leave either. Inflation takes care of part of it, and the networks got a bargain on C-USA anyway, with its continuing good markets and ratings.

I have pretty much followed and agreed with your thinking on a lot of matters over past many months. Must disagree with you on this one though, respectfully. The league was organized and guided with BY LAWS. These by laws clearly stipulate that the league is governed by its membership and by laws or anyting else can be changed. There is NOTHING in writing or ever given orally to any person or institution that guarantees the league will remain intact or even continue its operation for any given time. These schools were admitted by APPLICATION, I am sure their legal staffs read the leagues laws and procedures, etc, and they agreed to comply. Did the ncaa give everyone assurances that they will be in business next year? Absolutely not and I would challenge anyone to identify any organization that guarantees its existence for even a day.

Losing an auto bid isnt much of a big deal because the conference champ should qualify anyway, if not then a bid is not even deserved. I cant ever remember a year the cusa champ would have stayed home except for an auto bid.

Yes, but we are not talking about going out of business due to unforseen market forces. What you are discussing is dissolution of the conference, just to avoid exit fees and to plunder any assets in the treasury, with the full knowledge that your action will have very negative affects on incoming members who have relied on your promise to provide viable conference in 2013. Its not that you cant keep the conference running in 2013--its that you dont want to pay the exit fees or leave behind NCAA credits. The by laws make it legal to dissolve--but the bylaws do not shield you from the consequences of those actions. That said, the ability to dissolve the conference is likley enough to set up a negotiated exit where exit fees are waived and the NCAA credits are given up (or split somehow) in exchange for leaving the conference doors open and the lights on. Makes sense for everyone involved to avoid a huge mess.

Losing an auto bid isnt much of a big deal because the conference champ should qualify anyway, if not then a bid is not even deserved. I cant ever remember a year the cusa champ would have stayed home except for an auto bid.
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Yes, but we are not talking about going out of business due to unforseen market forces. What you are discussing is dissolution of the conference, just to avoid exit fees and to plunder any assets in the treasury, with the full knowledge that your action will have very negative affects on incoming members who have relied on your promise to provide viable conference in 2013. Its not that you cant keep the conference running in 2013--its that you dont want to pay the exit fees or leave behind NCAA credits. The by laws make it legal to dissolve--but the bylaws do not shield you from the consequences of those actions. That said, the ability to dissolve the conference is likley enough to set up a negotiated exit where exit fees are waived and the NCAA credits are given up (or split somehow) in exchange for leaving the conference doors open and the lights on. Makes sense for everyone involved to avoid a huge mess.
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Not talking about going out of business due to unforseen market forces but are talking about dissolving since schools like Houston decided to jump ship, you and others gutted the conference and now seem to want the remaining schools to coddle and take care of the newbies. How can you discuss the negative affects on incoming members when your school was one of the original defectors. What does Houston, UCF, Tulane have in mind to help the newbies since you are the root of the problem?

Still wondering about that quote issue... maybe it only happens on TRS-80s or something?

(01-02-2013 08:48 PM)eager eagle Wrote:  Losing an auto bid isnt much of a big deal because the conference champ should qualify anyway, if not then a bid is not even deserved. I cant ever remember a year the cusa champ would have stayed home except for an auto bid.

Yes, but we are not talking about going out of business due to unforseen market forces. What you are discussing is dissolution of the conference, just to avoid exit fees and to plunder any assets in the treasury, with the full knowledge that your action will have very negative affects on incoming members who have relied on your promise to provide viable conference in 2013. Its not that you cant keep the conference running in 2013--its that you dont want to pay the exit fees or leave behind NCAA credits. The by laws make it legal to dissolve--but the bylaws do not shield you from the consequences of those actions. That said, the ability to dissolve the conference is likley enough to set up a negotiated exit where exit fees are waived and the NCAA credits are given up (or split somehow) in exchange for leaving the conference doors open and the lights on. Makes sense for everyone involved to avoid a huge mess.
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Not talking about going out of business due to unforseen market forces but are talking about dissolving since schools like Houston decided to jump ship, you and others gutted the conference and now seem to want the remaining schools to coddle and take care of the newbies. How can you discuss the negative affects on incoming members when your school was one of the original defectors. What does Houston, UCF, Tulane have in mind to help the newbies since you are the root of the problem?
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Not a thing. We didnt invite the newbies. My point is being totally missed. You dont need to dissolve the conference to accomplish the goal of leaving without exit fees. The new invitees and remaining members would greatly prefer letting the others leave with no exit fees rather than be made homeless or having to start over from scratch. Everything is negotiable if you have the power to dissolve the conferece.

(01-01-2013 05:30 PM)ThunderDent Wrote:  We are discussing this over on HerdFans right now.

Wasn't sure what the % of current voting members it takes to bring exit fees to a vote or to dissolve the league if necessary.

Obviously, none of the new adds have voting privileges yet.

And I'm assuming that the 6 that have already left probably do not either, but I'll present both scenarios here to show the percentages.

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Scenario #1:

If everyone current still has voting privileges (12), you have:

UCF, Memphis, Tulane, East Carolina, SMU, Houston
(6) currently out... so 50%

If UTEP & Tulsa go to MWC (or BE) that is (8) ... 67%

If Southern Miss goes to BE ... (9) ... 75%

If Marshall goes along to the BE that makes 10 teams in CUSA gone out of our original 12... 83%

That should be enough to dissolve/vote out the exit fees.
Again not sure of the % needed for either option.

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Scenario #2:

Now if the 6 who have already departed get no voting rights, then there are 6 teams left who do.

So if UTEP and Tulsa leaving would only give you a vote of 33%

If Southern Miss went too, it would only give you 50%... not enough.

But if Marshall goes as well (and all 4 vote to dissolve and leave simultaneously), then that gives you 67%. Probably enough??

Remaining 2 (UAB & Rice) could go to the SunBelt if dissolution is the end game.

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Now here is the other thing. If the exit fees are voted out --OR-- if CUSA dissolves, does that mean the original 6 (SMU, UH, UCF, Memphis, ECU, Tulane) don't owe anything? It may have to be a full dissolution for that to be the case.

If that is the case, then if the rumors turn out to be true, and we see UTEP/Tulsa/SMU/UH head to MWC, then the remaining departing teams could guarantee Southern Miss and Marshall a place in the BE (or whatever new league is formed) in exchange for their vote to dissolve CUSA, in order to get themselves out of owing money ($500K and media or Millions of $$ depending on who you believe) to CUSA. If there is no CUSA, then there is no one to pay.

It would suck for the new invitees, and I'm sure a lawsuit would be ordered, but that has become commonplace in this jumbled mess of conference realignment.

Don't listen to these delusional renegade fans..Marshalls AD and both coaches have stated they want to stay in CUSA..This guy and a handful of other mu fans want nothing short of destroying marshall sports forever..these guys just aren't that smart..

(01-02-2013 08:48 PM)eager eagle Wrote:  What does Houston, UCF, Tulane have in mind to help the newbies since you are the root of the problem?

Take that up with the presidents who voted for the uber-expansion, which was really the cause of the problem.
But what's the point of dissolving the league? To save on exit fees?

(01-02-2013 10:28 PM)EdisonDoyle Wrote:  

(01-02-2013 08:48 PM)eager eagle Wrote:  What does Houston, UCF, Tulane have in mind to help the newbies since you are the root of the problem?

Take that up with the presidents who voted for the uber-expansion, which was really the cause of the problem.
But what's the point of dissolving the league? To save on exit fees?

I've been surprised before, but I'd be shocked if CUSA was dissolved. I'm also shocked that there are people that are seriously discussing it. I realize that in some ways college athletics has become a cesspool, but this would be at the top of the low-life chart.

Quote:I realize that in some ways college athletics has become a cesspool,

Just some?

(01-02-2013 10:51 PM)58-56 Wrote:  

Quote:I realize that in some ways college athletics has become a cesspool,

Just some?

Benefit of the doubt, or understatement, or looking at the positive side, or.......OK, forget it. It's all a cesspool.

We should just dissolve all conference contracts and open all conference memberships up for bids for 5 year terms.

(01-02-2013 07:13 PM)Luckyshot Wrote:  eager eagle: how do you consistently screw up the quote feature? Do you intentionally delete the {quote} part?

If you follow this board you will note I have a history of screwing up the "quote" feature, phase, or whatever. Its sorta my trademark, depends upon my mood at the time.