UofMState - Nothing would have gotten Rutgers and Louisville to stay. However, if the Big East TV deal truly were in the $100 million, then I doubt that the C7 or Boise State would have backed out. They were backing out because the numbers aren't coming in close to it (or it's at least not a difference that made it worth it for the C7 or Boise to stick around). No one is turning down a Big Ten or ACC invite from the Big East, but a TV deal in the range that many people were hoping/predicting for would have kept the C7 and Boise. That TV deal isn't there.

I don't think they've contracted specifically for BSU games with ESPN yet. They could end up selling to any interested party. Heck, you could have a dual bid I suppose of ESPN & FOX, NBC & CBS, etc.

Where this really harms the Big East now is that they can't sell a conference championship game this year. Possibly not until 2015 when Navy comes aboard. 11 members for 2013 right now, same for 2014 unless additions are made.

(12-31-2012 04:56 PM)mattsarz Wrote:  I don't think they've contracted specifically for BSU games with ESPN yet. They could end up selling to any interested party. Heck, you could have a dual bid I suppose of ESPN & FOX, NBC & CBS, etc.

Where this really harms the Big East now is that they can't sell a conference championship game this year. Possibly not until 2015 when Navy comes aboard.

No contract yet (geez the news just came out about 3 hours ago), but there's enough scuttlebutt to suggest that ESPN would be the high bidder.

And yes, the BE is hosed. No way do they get BYU now. No way they get a 12th for 2013. From where? No conference aside from the SEC has a reasonable exit policy to get out with 6 months notice. The Big East will have 11 (or 10 if SDSU joins Boise) for 2013, which keeps the possibility of a CCG out for them. The ESPN contract for football didn't include a CCG. Maybe this is one way ESPN can keep the BE contract for one more year and not have it bought out by whatever successor the BE was going to have.

(12-31-2012 04:00 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  

(12-31-2012 03:47 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(12-31-2012 03:43 PM)Steve509 Wrote:  How can the league allow BSU to sell home games when CBS gets first pick?

It will be a while until we learn all of the details.

It will probably be a case where CBS pays the same amount for everything, but they will give a price for Boise's home games. Boise wil get all of that, and then everyone will split everything else. It's a unequal revenue sharing plan that will kill the MWC before it even gets off the ground.

I'm not sure the BE wants to go after UNLV or Fresno, but if they do, how in the hell do they say no to the BE versus living with that agreeement? They would make more money in CUSA for that matter.

The capacity for denial on this board is quite amazing at times. It's like that knight in Monty Python that keeps getting his arms chopped off and says that "It's just a flesh wound." The MWC schools aren't going anywhere. SDSU is going to end up begging for the MWC to take them back. The TV money that Aresco has kept selling publicly isn't there, which is why Boise was willing to go back. I don't know why so many people haven't been taking this threat seriously - the TV money isn't there, guys (or at least Boise and C7 didn't believe Aresco's numbers at all).

Even if it was there--it certainly is not there any longer.

(12-31-2012 04:41 PM)dakar1 Wrote:  I hate to say I told you guys so, but I told ya!
The funny part to me isn't posters from Cinci or UConn, but some on here from ECU and Memphis talking so much crap the last few months. Thinking you were going to pick and choose your schools. You guys and Tulane are the reason the BE lost its luster.

Who the **** are you as a Wyoming fan to be talking **** to ECU? You can go **** yourself.

So be it. I want my school to stay east.

(12-31-2012 04:54 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  UofMState - Nothing would have gotten Rutgers and Louisville to stay. However, if the Big East TV deal truly were in the $100 million, then I doubt that the C7 or Boise State would have backed out. They were backing out because the numbers aren't coming in close to it (or it's at least not a difference that made it worth it for the C7 or Boise to stick around). No one is turning down a Big Ten or ACC invite from the Big East, but a TV deal in the range that many people were hoping/predicting for would have kept the C7 and Boise. That TV deal isn't there.

I still disagree with this. A 100 million dollar BE deal would have only paid the basketball schools 1.7 million each. It would only pay a football only like Boise 5 million. Subtract extra travel and Big West subsidies and Boise likely nets 4 million. Now, if the MW contract value has been bumped up to 2.5 million a team (thats the reported number before Boise returned by the way), then the total difference in value is 1.5 million a year. Is that worth throwing basketball to the wolves in the Big West? Plus it sounds as if the MW is paying Boise a bonus each time it appears on TV of 300K per appearance. Between that and a slight increase in the overall contract due to Boise's return, its feasible that Boise makes basically the same net either way. In that case, the Mountain West would be a much better choice for Boise. The question now is, without Boise and without western games, the Big East has not one single solitary thing that makes the conference unique. Its just another non-AQ regional conference. The value of the contract will likley drop once again to reflect that reality.

(12-31-2012 05:23 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(12-31-2012 04:54 PM)Frank the Tank Wrote:  UofMState - Nothing would have gotten Rutgers and Louisville to stay. However, if the Big East TV deal truly were in the $100 million, then I doubt that the C7 or Boise State would have backed out. They were backing out because the numbers aren't coming in close to it (or it's at least not a difference that made it worth it for the C7 or Boise to stick around). No one is turning down a Big Ten or ACC invite from the Big East, but a TV deal in the range that many people were hoping/predicting for would have kept the C7 and Boise. That TV deal isn't there.

I still disagree with this. A 100 million dollar BE deal would have only paid the basketball schools 1.7 million each. It would only pay a football only like Boise 5 million. Subtract extra travel and Big West subsidies and Boise likely nets 4 million. Now, if the MW contract value has been bumped up to 2.5 million a team (thats the reported number before Boise returned by the way), then the total difference in value is 1.5 million a year. Is that worth throwing basketball to the wolves in the Big West? Plus it sounds as if the MW is paying Boise a bonus each time it appears on TV of 300K per appearance. Between that and a slight increase in the overall contract due to Boise's return, its feasible that Boise makes basically the same net either way. In that case, the Mountain West would be a much better choice for Boise. The question now is, without Boise and without western games, the Big East has not one single solitary thing that makes the conference unique. Its just another non-AQ regional conference. The value of the contract will likley drop once again to reflect that reality.

The Big East that remains is still the 4th best football conference (maybe the 3rd because I still think it competes on the field with the ACC week-in, week-out) east of the Mississippi River, where 80 percent of all TV sets are located . . . that is why I want UH to stay east . . .

"It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat." Theodore Roosevelt

(12-31-2012 04:36 PM)fresnostatebulldogfan Wrote:  I seem to remember ESPN providing a very nice TV package for the BE which was not "good enough" for the schools presidents in the conference. If anything ESPN is not the blame it's the presidents who for their lack of knowledge and prediction of the future brought this conference down all by themselves.

The main schools leading the push against ESPN's lowball offer were Pitt, Rutgers, and WVU, all of which have now left UConn, Cincy, and USF holding the bag. At the time, by the way, they were right that the Big East could get a better bid on the open market. The problem is those three, along with Syracuse and Louisville, wanted to leave the Big East the instant a spot opened up elsewhere. Signing that deal would not have kept things together.

(12-31-2012 05:45 PM)Lolly Popp Wrote:  

(12-31-2012 04:36 PM)fresnostatebulldogfan Wrote:  I seem to remember ESPN providing a very nice TV package for the BE which was not "good enough" for the schools presidents in the conference. If anything ESPN is not the blame it's the presidents who for their lack of knowledge and prediction of the future brought this conference down all by themselves.

The main schools leading the push against ESPN's lowball offer were Pitt, Rutgers, and WVU, all of which have now left UConn, Cincy, and USF holding the bag. At the time, by the way, they were right that the Big East could get a better bid on the open market. The problem is those three, along with Syracuse and Louisville, wanted to leave the Big East the instant a spot opened up elsewhere. Signing that deal would not have kept things together.

Maybe, maybe not. Would Texas A&M have still wanted to leave the Big 12? Probably so the dominoes of the Big 12 needing 2 teams to fill those spots would still have fallen and the Big East would have been the likely victim anyway. Would the ACC and Big Ten still have made the push for 14? Maybe, maybe not.

I think it's safe to say ESPN won.

Mike Aresco should look to be the commish of the CYO 7.