So, you're telling me that the MWC's four NCAA teams last year combined for a total of 20 Top 50 RPI wins... and 15 of those were against each other:

New Mexico - Saint Louis (31), SDSU x2 (27), UNLV x2 (19), CSU (29)
SDSU - LBSU (36), Cal (37), UNLV (19), UNM (26), CSU x2 (29)
Colorado State - UNM (26), SDSU (27), UNLV (19)
UNLV - UNC (4), Cal (37), SDSU (27), UNM (26), CSU (29)


That's my point. You need ONE team to make a national statement -- like UNLV over UNC (much like Butler over Indiana this year!). And then you need teams 2-3-4 of the conference to beat a few decent teams, pummel some bad teams, get a good RPI...

and then they play each other. That gives them the marquee wins they need to get multiple bids.

That's what made Xavier and Temple our banner carriers. And it looks like we'll have either VCU or Dayton (or both) to pick up the banner.

i'm sorry, when did Dayton in particular become such a banner carrier? They have 2 NCAA wins in the last 30 years...

i'm sorry but the A10 won't be anywhere near where they have been. Even this year- they're still #7 in conference RPI and will be losing if VCU goes their 3 best teams and 6 of their top 9 teams.

Also, if they don't expand much- the top teams would be having to play teams like 227 Fordham, 195 St Bonaventure, and 193 Duquesne 2 times rather than the 1 time. That kills the RPI quite a bit as well....

(01-17-2013 02:39 AM)stever20 Wrote:  i'm sorry, when did Dayton in particular become such a banner carrier? They have 2 NCAA wins in the last 30 years...

i'm sorry but the A10 won't be anywhere near where they have been. Even this year- they're still #7 in conference RPI and will be losing if VCU goes their 3 best teams and 6 of their top 9 teams.

Also, if they don't expand much- the top teams would be having to play teams like 227 Fordham, 195 St Bonaventure, and 193 Duquesne 2 times rather than the 1 time. That kills the RPI quite a bit as well....

Your arguments continue to be based on information which is dependent on facts that will be changing.

NCAA bids, RPI, Sagarin, Pomroy... all of it is dependent on conference affiliation.

Who's a better basketball school? Siena or Seton Hall? Belmont or St. John's? DePaul or Alabama State? Siena, Belmont and Alabama State aren't going to make 14 NCAA trips in 13 seasons combined if they're in the Big East. Hall, DePaul and SJU would have more than 9 combined trips to the dance in that time frame if they played MAAC, A-Sun or SWAC schedules.

Have you SEEN Dayton's record vs Xavier? They haven't won AT XAVIER since before Ms. Pacman was introduced.

In the last six seasons Dayton's missed the NCAA Tournament, they are something like 3-13 vs Xavier. Take 2008 for example. Dayton was 21-10 and lost to X three times, including the A-10 final to X. If they lost to VCU in the regular season and tourney final, and beat Duquesne instead they would have been #26 in the RPI. That's dancing.


Temple & Xavier made the NCAAs all those times by WINNING A TON OF A-10 GAMES. They aren't in the way anymore. That's going to make everyone a couple games better. Dayton's a .550 basketball team in A-10 play. They're .680 vs teams not named Xavier. If they're left behind, they'll take over the mantle… that's why they're on the C7's candidate list in the first place.

Memphis in C-USA 1996-2005:
AVG finish: 3.4
NCAA bids: 3 of 9 (one NCAA win)

Memphis in C-USA 2006-2012:
AVG finish: 1.4
NCAA bids: 6 of 6

Dayton in the A10 2000-2012:
AVG Finish: 4.7
NCAA bids 4 of 13 (1 win)