No need to bash Boise folks, if anything they are the one school that has shown they care the most about the sport that pays the most. Decades of winning tradition there, they've earned their big boy pants. That said, when you're in a conference it's one for all, all for one, or you can go independent if you think you can do better. I've looked forward to being in a conference with Boise since we got our invite, I just hope Kustra stops thinking small time and seizes the moment to become a true football powerhouse and help lead the Big East Conference to bigger and better things.

(12-30-2012 11:00 PM)Lord2FLI Wrote:  No need to bash Boise folks, if anything they are the one school that has shown they care the most about the sport that pays the most. Decades of winning tradition there, they've earned their big boy pants. That said, when you're in a conference it's one for all, all for one, or you can go independent if you think you can do better. I've looked forward to being in a conference with Boise since we got our invite, I just hope Kustra stops thinking small time and seizes the moment to become a true football powerhouse and help lead the Big East Conference to bigger and better things.

Well said. No bashing intended by me, but BSU parallels to UT getting a case of "too big for their britches" are certainly a possible concern if they play hardball with Aresco.

BE far better off with BSU than without them. It won't be lost on Aresco, however, that when the dust settled, the Big 12 commish who pandered to Texas in their failed TV leverage play was fired as a condition of Oklahoma staying in Big 12.

And UT AD Dodds stood quietly by when they shot him.

MWC sucks. I want nothing to do with all that. The city of houston and my university have nothing in common with that region or its schools. With the exception of boise i will never attend a road game there.

If my administration makes he awful mistake of ever casting its lot there I and they will forever rue the missed opportunity of recruiting places like Philly, Cincy, Tampa, Orlando, Memphis, New Orleans and the northeast.

Instead we'll be treated the delicacies Ft Collins, Laramie, Albuquerque, and San Jose.

It will kill our trajectory and ruin our program for the next 20 years.

Turbl...

(12-31-2012 12:53 AM)Cooglius Caeser Wrote:  MWC sucks. I want nothing to do with all that. The city of houston and my university have nothing in common with that region or its schools. With the exception of boise i will never attend a road game there.

If my administration makes he awful mistake of ever casting its lot there I and they will forever rue the missed opportunity of recruiting places like Philly, Cincy, Tampa, Orlando, Memphis, New Orleans and the northeast.

Instead we'll be treated the delicacies Ft Collins, Laramie, Albuquerque, and San Jose.

It will kill our trajectory and ruin our program for the next 20 years.

Turbl...

Wow. I've got to tell you... I can understand preferring the east to the west; that's your opinion and you are welcome to it. But your feelings on the matter are so over the top as to be a little stunning.

As for myself, I don't expect to recruit more than 3% or 4% of our players from outside a 1,000 mile radius -- probably less if we were located in football crazy, recruiting rich Texas. And 1,000 miles east or west doesn't make much of a difference. I just don't see a conference affiliation changing that.

Yoda out...

(12-31-2012 01:10 AM)Yoda Wrote:  

(12-31-2012 12:53 AM)Cooglius Caeser Wrote:  MWC sucks. I want nothing to do with all that. The city of houston and my university have nothing in common with that region or its schools. With the exception of boise i will never attend a road game there.

If my administration makes he awful mistake of ever casting its lot there I and they will forever rue the missed opportunity of recruiting places like Philly, Cincy, Tampa, Orlando, Memphis, New Orleans and the northeast.

Instead we'll be treated the delicacies Ft Collins, Laramie, Albuquerque, and San Jose.

It will kill our trajectory and ruin our program for the next 20 years.

Turbl...

Wow. I've got to tell you... I can understand preferring the east to the west; that's your opinion and you are welcome to it. But your feelings on the matter are so over the top as to be a little stunning.

As for myself, I don't expect to recruit more than 3% or 4% of our players from outside a 1,000 mile radius -- probably less if we were located in football crazy, recruiting rich Texas. And 1,000 miles east or west doesn't make much of a difference. I just don't see a conference affiliation changing that.

Yoda out...

Yeah. A little over the top. Ive said it before, we lean east beacuse exposure in the east is more valueable (more people). Folks lose sight of the fact that the athletic programs are basically drivers for enrollment.

That said, we left CUSA for a reason. If the Big East is degraded by another ACC raid and Boise and SDSU return to the MW, the remaining nBE schools and replacements will look essentially like CUSA circa 2012. The Houston administration will likley not stay. Instead, they flollow Boise to the the MW.

The main reason is because the Mountain West will probably be the better league over the long term due the raids. But heres the bigger reason why it would happen--self preservation. Our president and AD dont want to go to alumni, the board, and the donars and explain why we are spending millions in exit fees and entry fees and building a larger stadium to play the exact same teams we have played for 15 years in CUSA. Thats how people lose thier jobs.

My preference is and has always been a full all-sports division in the west. For selfish reasons, it works well for my school. This gives Houston exposure in the west and the east--best of both worlds (but every other university in the conference will also get this benefit). More importantly, it makes the Big East far more flexible in dealing with ACC raids because so many more quality replacement schools would become viable with a national footprint.

(12-31-2012 12:53 AM)Cooglius Caeser Wrote:  MWC sucks. I want nothing to do with all that. The city of houston and my university have nothing in common with that region or its schools. With the exception of boise i will never attend a road game there.

If my administration makes he awful mistake of ever casting its lot there I and they will forever rue the missed opportunity of recruiting places like Philly, Cincy, Tampa, Orlando, Memphis, New Orleans and the northeast.

Instead we'll be treated the delicacies Ft Collins, Laramie, Albuquerque, and San Jose.

It will kill our trajectory and ruin our program for the next 20 years.

Turbl...

I spent a lot of time in Houston at one time. Had some great times there and met a lot of great people. Great place in its own right. But when I left, I don't recall ever thinking about having left anything there worth going back to get.

I stand by what I said. Our AD and president aren't going to flp a switch and run to another conference just because one team decides to go there. I want Boise in the nbe but I don't see a scenario where Renu Khator allows our program to be subjected to mountain state travel and all that entails.

Let me break it down for you. In the last few years there have been four or five programs at the top of CUSA. (USM, Tulsa, Houston, UCF, and ECU) Three of those teams are back together in the nBE. With UConn, Cincy, and Boise in our conference it's a big improvement. Take away one it's still a big improvement. Take away all three and it's a wash with what we left. Our worst case scenario is we're on par with our old conference and playing in big markets.

Barring a collapse of the nBE we aren't changing leagues for any reason. Our program has too much going on at home to be spending time chasing another school to another conference. Not gonna happen.

(12-31-2012 02:07 AM)Fangdog Wrote:  

(12-31-2012 12:53 AM)Cooglius Caeser Wrote:  MWC sucks. I want nothing to do with all that. The city of houston and my university have nothing in common with that region or its schools. With the exception of boise i will never attend a road game there.

If my administration makes he awful mistake of ever casting its lot there I and they will forever rue the missed opportunity of recruiting places like Philly, Cincy, Tampa, Orlando, Memphis, New Orleans and the northeast.

Instead we'll be treated the delicacies Ft Collins, Laramie, Albuquerque, and San Jose.

It will kill our trajectory and ruin our program for the next 20 years.

Turbl...

I spent a lot of time in Houston at one time. Had some great times there and met a lot of great people. Great place in its own right. But when I left, I don't recall ever thinking about having left anything there worth going back to get.

Yeah, i didn't care much for the hookers there either...wait...were you talking about something else you left behind?

(12-31-2012 02:47 AM)Lord2FLI Wrote:  

(12-31-2012 02:07 AM)Fangdog Wrote:  I spent a lot of time in Houston at one time. Had some great times there and met a lot of great people. Great place in its own right. But when I left, I don't recall ever thinking about having left anything there worth going back to get.

Yeah, i didn't care much for the hookers there either...wait...were you talking about something else you left behind?

And you have the temerity to lecture me on civil discourse? Really?

Fascinating logic too. In an effort to damn Fang for spending time with hookers, which presumably he didn't, you admit to having sampled (and not cared for) the local product yourself. Boy howdy, you sure put him in his place.

Friends don't let friends troll drunk.

Yoda out...

(12-31-2012 02:18 AM)Cooglius Caeser Wrote:  I stand by what I said. Our AD and president aren't going to flp a switch and run to another conference just because one team decides to go there. I want Boise in the nbe but I don't see a scenario where Renu Khator allows our program to be subjected to mountain state travel and all that entails.

Let me break it down for you. In the last few years there have been four or five programs at the top of CUSA. (USM, Tulsa, Houston, UCF, and ECU) Three of those teams are back together in the nBE. With UConn, Cincy, and Boise in our conference it's a big improvement. Take away one it's still a big improvement. Take away all three and it's a wash with what we left. Our worst case scenario is we're on par with our old conference and playing in big markets.

Barring a collapse of the nBE we aren't changing leagues for any reason. Our program has too much going on at home to be spending time chasing another school to another conference. Not gonna happen.

I didn't disagree with either your opinion that Houston would prefer to look east rather than west or with your reasons for it. Houston turned down an invitation to join the WAC 16 to go to C-USA and TCU left the WAC to join C-USA for similar reasons. They wanted (as an example that strangely stuck with me) their scores to be in the paper in the east on Sunday mornings. So it's not like there isn't precedent for that eastern preference.

But I agree with Attackcoog that, for me and my school, my interest is in getting into the strongest and most stable conference possible -- rather than one that is the best geographic fit -- if I have to choose between those two goals. And that is why, as I have said many times, I want Fresno in the same division of the same conference as Boise, San Diego and hopefully BYU -- and I don't care which conference that is.

I'd prefer to stay west, but if going east puts us in the better conference, meaning one with two or three of those schools, then I'd kill to go east -- no matter the kinds of challenges that that creates for us otherwise. After all, the only choice that works perfectly for us is joining the PAC; everything else is a compromise.

Yoda out...

(12-31-2012 06:22 AM)Yoda Wrote:  

(12-31-2012 02:47 AM)Lord2FLI Wrote:  

(12-31-2012 02:07 AM)Fangdog Wrote:  I spent a lot of time in Houston at one time. Had some great times there and met a lot of great people. Great place in its own right. But when I left, I don't recall ever thinking about having left anything there worth going back to get.

Yeah, i didn't care much for the hookers there either...wait...were you talking about something else you left behind?

And you have the temerity to lecture me on civil discourse? Really?

Fascinating logic too. In an effort to damn Fang for spending time with hookers, which presumably he didn't, you admit to having sampled (and not cared for) the local product yourself. Boy howdy, you sure put him in his place.

Friends don't let friends troll drunk.

Yoda out...

You can't be this ******* dumb, can you? Don't answer, it was a rhetorical question. This is some pretty lame ass butt hurt on your part, it's not even witty.

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(12-31-2012 12:53 AM)Cooglius Caeser Wrote:  MWC sucks. I want nothing to do with all that. The city of houston and my university have nothing in common with that region or its schools. With the exception of boise i will never attend a road game there.

If my administration makes he awful mistake of ever casting its lot there I and they will forever rue the missed opportunity of recruiting places like Philly, Cincy, Tampa, Orlando, Memphis, New Orleans and the northeast.

Instead we'll be treated the delicacies Ft Collins, Laramie, Albuquerque, and San Jose.

It will kill our trajectory and ruin our program for the next 20 years.

Turbl...

Ft Collins and albequerque are cool. I spent a month in Fresno one weekend. Never again

(12-31-2012 09:21 AM)shere khan Wrote:  Ft Collins and albequerque are cool. I spent a month in Fresno one weekend. Never again

Indeed they are. Great cities in beautiful locales! And Colorado State is a large school with excellent facilities and a good academic reputation. Do not know why it gets dumped on so much around here. Certainly good enough for the nBE or MWC.

The potential MWC venues of Boise, San Diego, Vegas, Ft.Collins, Pikes Peak, and even Fresno are ok by me as a traveling Houston fan, but preferably as a fellow west division member of the Big East. Laramie not so much, although I've been there and it's a nice little college town several hours drive from anywhere.

Joining MWC is a nuclear contingency for UH I think -assuming they even want us. Seems to me Boise and SDSU would have decided to bail on BE, and Cincy and CT would have to have gone to ACC to trigger this even being considered. It also looks like it is a big step down in basketball for UH, although that's likely not much of a factor any more.

I do hope both MWC and BE posters here start taking BYU at their word and stop including them in ANY future scenarios. It just muddies up the credibility of their musings.

If Aresco doesn't move quickly in January to sign up at least Fresno and UNLV to shore up BSU and SDSU, and launch an all-sports western division including at least UH and SMU, I will be very surprised.

(12-31-2012 09:24 AM)texasflood Wrote:  

(12-31-2012 09:21 AM)shere khan Wrote:  Ft Collins and albequerque are cool. I spent a month in Fresno one weekend. Never again

Indeed they are. Great cities in beautiful locales! And Colorado State is a large school with excellent facilities .....

Thanks again for proving how clueless you can be.

Colorado does NOT have excellent facilities (old basketball arena is almost 50 years old and their 45 year old small off-campus football stadium is in a fight to keep it and/or to build a new one on-campus, which they currently don't have the money to build).

Realize your troll time on this board will be short...but at least its amusing.

There's nothing cool about Albuquerque...unless you spent a week inside the Hyatt with minimal excursions on the Sandia Tramway.


And I agree about BYU. They went and created their own world. They will not turn around and return to an even weaker MWC. Please stop. Or, when you include them throw in Notre Dame, Michigan, USC, and Alabama for comedy.

(12-30-2012 01:00 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(12-30-2012 12:57 PM)Bearcat_Bounce Wrote:  

(12-30-2012 12:55 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(12-30-2012 12:52 PM)texasflood Wrote:  

(12-30-2012 12:09 PM)Yoda Wrote:  Probably not.

But on the other hand, you kind of have to expect it. The MWC and the nBE have a mighty tug of war going on right now. Given the nature of the relationship -- and the fact that each conference has targeted some of the other's programs for poaching, it would be more surprising if there wasn't a lot of head butting among the fans of the two conferences.

Granted that it is happening on your board, but a lot (but by no means all) of trolling is in response to trashing of the MWC or its members by nBE fans. And a lot of it is an attempt to make serious points when those points conflict with firmly held opinions and biases -- in other words, it's not trolling but it is perceived as such by nBE true believers.

Things will probably simmer down once a winner is declared.

Yoda out...

That is the rub: there are certain sacred cows around here, stuff like the value of the media deal, whether new schools will develop into football powers, etc., and if you disagree with the True Believers you are labeled a troll and the mod squad is called in.

No. You are not totally correct there. What many on this board object to is the constant post after post in every thread from certain posters with negative reactions to the league.
We get it, you rather be elsewhere or you want the league to fail, but we don't need to hear it over and over again.
This is the Big East board and yes the majority of us want the league to succeed and get best deal possible, if that bothers you then maybe this is not the board for you

So basically you want to live in denial of reality? Got it. Thanks.

No where some see a half empty glass some see half full. We understand you are the doom and gloom type of guy. We get it.

The facts seem to have a half empty/doom and gloom bias.

(12-31-2012 04:28 PM)texasflood Wrote:  

(12-30-2012 01:00 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(12-30-2012 12:57 PM)Bearcat_Bounce Wrote:  

(12-30-2012 12:55 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(12-30-2012 12:52 PM)texasflood Wrote:  That is the rub: there are certain sacred cows around here, stuff like the value of the media deal, whether new schools will develop into football powers, etc., and if you disagree with the True Believers you are labeled a troll and the mod squad is called in.

No. You are not totally correct there. What many on this board object to is the constant post after post in every thread from certain posters with negative reactions to the league.
We get it, you rather be elsewhere or you want the league to fail, but we don't need to hear it over and over again.
This is the Big East board and yes the majority of us want the league to succeed and get best deal possible, if that bothers you then maybe this is not the board for you

So basically you want to live in denial of reality? Got it. Thanks.

No where some see a half empty glass some see half full. We understand you are the doom and gloom type of guy. We get it.

The facts seem to have a half empty/doom and gloom bias.

Yup. I think todays news either sinks the Big East completely, or at the very leaset makes it no more relevent than any other Go5 conference. Basically a devestating blow.

(12-31-2012 04:33 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(12-31-2012 04:28 PM)texasflood Wrote:  

(12-30-2012 01:00 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  

(12-30-2012 12:57 PM)Bearcat_Bounce Wrote:  

(12-30-2012 12:55 PM)Cubanbull Wrote:  No. You are not totally correct there. What many on this board object to is the constant post after post in every thread from certain posters with negative reactions to the league.
We get it, you rather be elsewhere or you want the league to fail, but we don't need to hear it over and over again.
This is the Big East board and yes the majority of us want the league to succeed and get best deal possible, if that bothers you then maybe this is not the board for you

So basically you want to live in denial of reality? Got it. Thanks.

No where some see a half empty glass some see half full. We understand you are the doom and gloom type of guy. We get it.

The facts seem to have a half empty/doom and gloom bias.

Yup. I think todays news either sinks the Big East completely, or at the very leaset makes it no more relevent than any other Go5 conference. Basically a devestating blow.

Maybe if some of you had actually listened to what posts said rather than the posters who were saying them, this wouldn't have been as much of a shock.

Well at least most of the trolls can leave now and this board can actually get back to some semblance of normalacy.