(01-02-2013 11:37 PM)eroc Wrote:  So is FL overrated, or is this just one of those days?

Maybe the Big East is better than portrayed.

The SEC plays good football,no doubt, but the my-conference-is-better than-your-conference hype is more than a little overdone. At the end of the day, they're all just a bunch of guys who put on their jockstrap one leg at a time.

(01-02-2013 11:37 PM)eroc Wrote:  So is FL overrated, or is this just one of those days?

UF is legit. IMHO they prolly are guilty of severely underestimating Loserville's capabilities. Teddy is the best passer they've seen this year. Additionally, tho UF has some stud D-linemen, none of them are overly impressive as pass rushers. This has been an ongoing issue with them all year. They simply don't get to the QB. Luckily for them their DBs are above average.

Once the game reached a certain score UF was totally out of their league. Their offense is NOT the UF offense of old. At this point their just pressing. Their goose is cooked and they have to really look themselves in their mirror. They've got a bunch of guys who are slated to leave for the NFL and it looks like their attn is somewhere else.

Also, Charlie Strong is an excellent coach. A fact that i think many on here under appreciate.

Just my take.



mc

(01-02-2013 11:44 PM)Former Lurker Wrote:  The SEC plays good football,no doubt, but the my-conference-is-better than-your-conference hype is more than a little overdone. At the end of the day, they're all just a bunch of guys who put on their jockstrap one leg at a time.

Sometimes yes, sometimes no. Many years the top SEC teams simply play at the game at a much higher level than teams from other conferences. This year that is definitely not the case with Florida and LSU losing and Georgia struggling with a mediocre Nebraska team. Probably a big reason Jonny Manziell was able to win the Heisman as a freshman was the perceived strength of SEC defenses. I'm not
going to lie and say I had Florida winning but I did feel the Gators were overrated and the game would be decided by one score.

My observation was UF was in trouble right from the opening pick six. They had the OSU mentality - we are the Gators and you can't beat us. Problem was, UL had a superior gameplan and stayed on course, UF looked not interested. Plain and simple, UF got outcoached and out played. I was impressed by the line play by UL, both sides. I don't think they played a complete game like that all season till last night. Got to give them props, I thought they would get beat by double figures. For all of the crap the Big East takes, it's nice to shut up some of the big boy blow hards. Go Pitt, add another win.

(01-02-2013 11:50 PM)marcuscan Wrote:  

(01-02-2013 11:37 PM)eroc Wrote:  So is FL overrated, or is this just one of those days?

UF is legit. IMHO they prolly are guilty of severely underestimating Loserville's capabilities. Teddy is the best passer they've seen this year. Additionally, tho UF has some stud D-linemen, none of them are overly impressive as pass rushers. This has been an ongoing issue with them all year. They simply don't get to the QB. Luckily for them their DBs are above average.

Once the game reached a certain score UF was totally out of their league. Their offense is NOT the UF offense of old. At this point their just pressing. Their goose is cooked and they have to really look themselves in their mirror. They've got a bunch of guys who are slated to leave for the NFL and it looks like their attn is somewhere else.

Also, Charlie Strong is an excellent coach. A fact that i think many on here under appreciate.

Just my take.



mc

I'd also give a huge amount of credit to OC Shawn Watson. As soon as he was brought in the Louisville offense started clicking and for the most part has been a scoring machine ever since. Plus what he's done with Bridgewater has been outstanding.

Big East goes 3-1 in bowl games and wins their BCS bowl game handily this year. Big East goes 5-3 in BCS bowls since the conferences were realigned and UC joined.

Its too bad that narrative was never enough to change the perception of the league.

Meanwhile the Big Ten goes 2-5 in Bowl games and loses their BCS bowl. Big Ten is 4-9 in their last 13 BCS bowls.

Does anyone have a breakdown of bowl records and BCS bowl records by conference for the last 6-8 years?

i have to say that i'm really irritated by the Louisville win. Not only do they own two BCS bowl wins to our none, one of them came against a highly ranked FL team. Was this FL team as good as the one UC played? i think the answer would be a resounding no, but as the years go by, that will be just a footnote in the records that indicate that a lowly ranked Louisville team came out and put FL on blast on their way to a Sugar bowl W. i was hoping FL would blow the doors off of them but instead they completely shite the bed. This is just so effing frustrating.

(01-03-2013 09:25 AM)eroc Wrote:  i have to say that i'm really irritated by the Louisville win. Not only do they own two BCS bowl wins to our none, one of them came against a highly ranked FL team. Was this FL team as good as the one UC played? i think the answer would be a resounding no, but as the years go by, that will be just a footnote in the records that indicate that a lowly ranked Louisville team came out and put FL on blast on their way to a Sugar bowl W. i was hoping FL would blow the doors off of them but instead they completely shite the bed. This is just so effing frustrating.

I am excited that a highly rated Louisville team will come to Nippert next season with the Keg and the BCS bid on the line. More than likely that game will be the game of the year for the conference. Hopefully its not the last time we see each other too.

(01-03-2013 09:25 AM)eroc Wrote:  i have to say that i'm really irritated by the Louisville win. Not only do they own two BCS bowl wins to our none, one of them came against a highly ranked FL team. Was this FL team as good as the one UC played? i think the answer would be a resounding no, but as the years go by, that will be just a footnote in the records that indicate that a lowly ranked Louisville team came out and put FL on blast on their way to a Sugar bowl W. i was hoping FL would blow the doors off of them but instead they completely shite the bed. This is just so effing frustrating.

The Florida team we played was one of the best teams to play in the past half decade or so. People often forget they were the defending national champs who were ranked #1 in the country all season up until their loss to Alabama in the SEC CCG. Their roster was littered with future NFL’ers: Tebow, Aaron Hernandez, Jeff Demps, Chris Rainey, the Pouncey Brothers, Carlos Dunlap, Will Hill, Joe Haden, Brandon Spikes, Janoris Jenkins and Riley Cooper. They were also coached by Urban Meyer—like it or not he is one of the top coaches in the game. IMO they would have taken Bama in a rematch, especially since it was Tebow and Meyer’s swan song at UF.

I just hate that the narrative has been our loss was proof the BE was not a BCS worthy conference and that Bearcat team was overrated. It certainly was not true as I think just about anyone else other than the Tide would have been demolished against the Gators.

(01-03-2013 09:33 AM)bearcatlawjd Wrote:  I am excited that a highly rated Louisville team will come to Nippert next season with the Keg and the BCS bid on the line. More than likely that game will be the game of the year for the conference. Hopefully its not the last time we see each other too.

There will probably be Heisman trophy implications for UL as well.

(01-03-2013 09:25 AM)eroc Wrote:  i have to say that i'm really irritated by the Louisville win. Not only do they own two BCS bowl wins to our none, one of them came against a highly ranked FL team. Was this FL team as good as the one UC played? i think the answer would be a resounding no, but as the years go by, that will be just a footnote in the records that indicate that a lowly ranked Louisville team came out and put FL on blast on their way to a Sugar bowl W. i was hoping FL would blow the doors off of them but instead they completely shite the bed. This is just so effing frustrating.

Gotta say, I completely agree. No comparison between the Florida team last night and the one we played a few years ago. At the end of the day, though, Louisville has a Sugar Bowl trophy in its trophy case and it came against a #3 ranked Florida team. I give all the credit in the world to Louisville, though. They stepped up in the spotlight. Something we haven't been able to do. The Orange Bowl was a prime opportunity for us to snag a BCS trophy and we blew it. I'm as frustrated with our inability to win a BCS bowl as I am that UL now has two BCS trophies since we both joined the Big East.

Ville played a really good game last night. Florida was doing some headhunting, not cool at all.
We need to win the Big East next year. 2 years in a row we tie but do not win the tie breaker.

I'm just waiting to see if Loserville gets the West Virginia treatment this season being severely overrated and Teddy Bridgewater as a Heisman frontrunner after this bowl win.

(01-03-2013 10:09 AM)Jchuges7 Wrote:  I'm just waiting to see if Loserville gets the West Virginia treatment this season being severely overrated and Teddy Bridgewater as a Heisman frontrunner after this bowl win.

Unfortunately I'm afraid it just might be warranted for Loserville, though.

(01-02-2013 11:37 PM)eroc Wrote:  So is FL overrated, or is this just one of those days?

Mixture of both. Louisville looked much better than they are and Florida looked worse than they've shown over the year. But Florida did almost lose to LA-Lafayette. It's not shocking that this happened.

The SEC as a whole this year wasn't as good as it has been in years past. Florida was highly overated this year IMO and they weren't prepared at all last night. I watched them a number of times and they never really impressed me. They were able to pull out a bunch of wins at the end of the game this year. They should absolutely have lost to Louisiana-Lafayette. Texas A&M as well, but they had the fortune of playing them at the beginning of the year. They had better talent than Louisville, but that is what happens when one team plays better than they are (Louisville) and another plays worse than they are (Florida). It doesnt happen often but it does from time to time. Louisville was a pretty average team this year and last night doesnt change that.

Gotta give Louisville credit. They stepped up big time last night and were deserving of the win. I have discounted their Orange Bowl win over Wake Forest about 7 years ago, because Wake was not then and certainly is not now a very good football program. Sean McDonough indicated last night that the Big East has won 5 of its last 8 BCS games and yet the Conference gets called out as the "Big Least". Ironic, huh. UC beats an ACC school this year; Syracuse beats a Big 12 school; UofL beats an SEC school, yet the Big East sucks. Then how about the Big Ten, which was 2-5 this year in its bowl games, and is that bad or worse seemingly every year. Yet they are a premier conference? The Big Ten has only two wins total over the SEC in the last three years, while the Big East has wins by UC last year over Vandy and Louisville's win last night vs. Florida. Believe UCONN beat South Carolina 3 years ago. If Louisville was a co-champion of the Big East with three other teams and pummels Florida, then how bad can the Big East be?

(01-03-2013 07:49 PM)vabearcat Wrote:  Gotta give Louisville credit. They stepped up big time last night and were deserving of the win. I have discounted their Orange Bowl win over Wake Forest about 7 years ago, because Wake was not then and certainly is not now a very good football program. Sean McDonough indicated last night that the Big East has won 5 of its last 8 BCS games and yet the Conference gets called out as the "Big Least". Ironic, huh. UC beats an ACC school this year; Syracuse beats a Big 12 school; UofL beats an SEC school, yet the Big East sucks. Then how about the Big Ten, which was 2-5 this year in its bowl games, and is that bad or worse seemingly every year. Yet they are a premier conference? The Big Ten has only two wins total over the SEC in the last three years, while the Big East has wins by UC last year over Vandy and Louisville's win last night vs. Florida. Believe UCONN beat South Carolina 3 years ago. If Louisville was a co-champion of the Big East with three other teams and pummels Florida, then how bad can the Big East be?

Sagarin rates the BE above the ACC, an assessment which seems reasonable to me.

(01-03-2013 01:44 PM)Marcus Wrote:  The SEC as a whole this year wasn't as good as it has been in years past. Florida was highly overated this year IMO and they weren't prepared at all last night. I watched them a number of times and they never really impressed me. They were able to pull out a bunch of wins at the end of the game this year. They should absolutely have lost to Louisiana-Lafayette. Texas A&M as well, but they had the fortune of playing them at the beginning of the year. They had better talent than Louisville, but that is what happens when one team plays better than they are (Louisville) and another plays worse than they are (Florida). It doesnt happen often but it does from time to time. Louisville was a pretty average team this year and last night doesnt change that.

Totally disagree abt the Texas A&M game. UF absolutely dominated the 2nd half of that game which was their MO for the entire season. Johnny Football, early season or not, was absolutely spectacular in the 1st half as he baffled UF with his running/ passing. Entirely different story 2nd half. UF would often come in to the game wobbly and make serious adjustments and dominate the 2nd half of games:

* Florida has trailed at halftime in five of its 12 games this season, but has gone on to win four of those games. Notably, Florida came back to beat Texas A&M and LSU early in the season. All season, the Gators have been better in the second half than the first. Florida has a plus-50 point differential in the first half. That number jumps to plus-116 in the second half, the fifth-largest second-half differential in FBS.

* Florida also trailed or was tied entering the fourth quarter in five of its 12 games this season. The Gators outscored its opponents 55-16 in the fourth quarter in those games. They held those five teams to a combined 383 yards and two touchdowns in the fourth quarter.

This was seemingly indicative of superior coaching adjustments on their behalf....all of which makes it highly surprising of how disparaging the coaching difference was (tilted in Loserville's direction of course) this week.

What made UF not appear to be 'impressive' was the type of ball they play not. It's not flashy, the offense is highly meh-worthy, and to be honest their isn't a ton of NFL talent on the field on the offensive side. However, their D is typically stifling. This is where they impress.




mc